Samsung's 'Infringe First and Stall as Long as Possible' Strategies Are Nothing New

[HyperZboy]

love how we all forgetting that Apple was also found guilty in the same trial

That's like saying someone who stole a loaf of bread is as guilty as Bernard Madoff!

From a comparison of the damages alone, Samsung is easily 10X more guilty of of patent theft. Apple has never been sued for a billion or more dollars before.

By the way, this won't stop Samsung from doing this. The only thing that would change their business model is an import ban on the devices, plain and simple. But the courts don't have the guts to make that decision except maybe temporarily.

 

[mixel]

You mean how apple and Microsoft stole the whole UI thing from IBM? Oh. THAT. Got it.

Err, firstly i thought it was Xerox PARC.

Secondly - they got permission. Of sorts.

 

[nikaru]

Thats simply not true

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Samsung was designing simular devices at the same time of apple .

have they put more focus on them and no doubt copied what was working in the iphone? Sure but samsung itself was already working on those .


Sorry but trying to made samsung into some sort of evil copy paste company is simply wrong. They have their own design/innovation .

Thats just not true. All those phones have nothing to do with the iPhone. No multi-touch interface which is the CORE of the system, no swipe to scroll, pinch to zome, slide to unlock, I mean the whole funcionality behind how you actually operate the device. Those samsung phones had nothing of that. No full internet browser experiance, no maps, not actually useful mail client, nothing. They were just dump phones with touch display and Sony Ericsson, BENq and HP had others too, even before Samsung. The operating system arquitecture of the iOS was completly different and innovative, which together with the multi-touch display provided a UNIQUE experiance no other manufacturer had at that time. And that my friend, is the true.

 

[Oletros]

That's like saying someone who stole a loaf of bread is as guilty as Bernard Madoff!

This comparison don't hold, patent infringement is patent infringement, there are no grades

From a comparison of the damages alone, Samsung is easily 10X more guilty of of patent theft.

No, the damages amount is not related with being more or less guilty

And patents are infringed, not stolen.

Apple has never been sued for a billion or more dollars before.

$400 million is enough to call one Madoff?

By the way, this won't stop Samsung from doing this. The only thing that would change their business model is an import ban on the devices, plain and simple. But the courts don't have the guts to make that decision except maybe temporarily.

Are you saying that when Apple was found the infringed it was needed an injunction?

 

[MrX8503]

What are you talking about? From what I've read about it, Big Little is a brilliant design. Why have your big cores processing tasks that don't require much overhead, when you can have a lower clocked, lower voltage core handing all the menial work instead?

What are your qualifications to hold that opinion?

"The Exynos 5410 saw limited use, appearing in some international versions of the Galaxy S 4 and nothing else. Part of the problem with the design was a broken implementation of the CCI-400 coherent bus interface that connect the two CPU islands to the rest of the SoC. In the case of the 5410, the bus was functional but coherency was broken and manually disabled on the Galaxy S 4. The implications are serious from a power consumption (and performance) standpoint. With all caches being flushed out to main memory upon a switch between CPU islands. Neither ARM nor Samsung LSI will talk about the bug publicly, and Samsung didn't fess up to the problem at first either - leaving end users to discover it on their own. " -Anandtech

Samsung uses off the shelf parts (ARM A15), which is too power hungry so they stick more off the shelf parts onto it (ARM A7) to compensate.

By comparison Apple custom designs their cores. That's how you get the impressive tablet performing A7 chip working in a smartphone.

 

[k995]

Thats just not true. All those phones have nothing to do with the iPhone. No multi-touch interface which is the CORE of the system, no swipe to scroll, pinch to zome, slide to unlock, I mean the whole funcionality behind how you actually operate the device.

All these existed ebfore the iphone .
So apple ALL copied these . You were saying how bad a company samsung was?

The only reason apple could patent some of these was that there is a silly clause for patents that on new tech you can again patent these.

Yet apple didnt invent the capacative screen nor the multitouch , not all the ideas you describe .


yet as I said already they took al these and made a great product with it .

Those samsung phones had nothing of that. No full internet browser experiance, no maps, not actually useful mail client, nothing. They were just dump phones with touch display and Sony Ericsson, BENq and HP had others too, even before Samsung. The operating system arquitecture of the iOS was completly different and innovative, which together with the multi-touch display provided a UNIQUE experiance no other manufacturer had at that time. And that my friend, is the true.

You obviously never used a phone/PDA then (or an iphone 1 for that matter)

Internet experience was the same albeit a bit smoother on iphone as they stripped things from the browser.

Google maps (see the google in the name?)

http://blog.treonauts.com/2005/07/mobile_google_m.html

year before release iphone , omg apple copied .

Mail client nog going to go into that, blackberry and others had vastly superior mail clients .



So you're only argument is multi touch and the moves with that, but as already said apple simply copied these to a smart phone.

Sorry but I dont think that implementing an already known idea/tech in a another device to be that unique.

I hope they wont start patenting multi touch in cars and relauch a new set of lawsuits but with you're logic thats perfectly possible.

 

[Alenore]

I am not usually the one to complain about what kind of article there's on MR.
I don't even mind all these patent-related articles there is, or when you talk about new phones, since it's related to products Apple makes, where the mobile industry is going, and what we could expect in next products.

Now though, why, God WHY, are we supposed to read an article about how Samsung copies other companies? This has nothing to do with Apple, with Mac, iOS, iTV, or whatever. "Apple" was just inserted into the article to make it remotely related to the website. That's like "Yeah they did that to company X. Oh and to Apple too".

Are you seriously needing clicks so much? Really?

 

[iBug2]

This comparison don't hold, patent infringement is patent infringement, there are no grades

The only grades in theft are up to 10000$. So anyone who steals 10000$ is as guilty as Madoff, so the comparison does hold, just not as the poster intended.

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Yet apple didnt invent the capacative screen nor the multitouch , not all the ideas you describe .

Inventing is the same as buying the company that invented, therefore owning the patents. Apple is not a person, it's a corporation, so whatever they own before or after the invention belongs to Apple.

I'm not saying Fingerworks invented multitouch, but they patented some of the tech.

 

[SarcasticJoe]

Can't say anything in this article is new to me...

When the first verdict, the really big one, hit a local paper ran a pretty damning story on them and what they were up to with Nokia before the iPhone hit.

First they had an interview with Finnish a guy who used to work at Samsung as a chief in their design department. He talked about how uninspired the products they were designing were, how at the time he was literally the only foreigner there and when he tried to create a unique design language for the products the management interfered and told him not to waste time creating something new, but just to copy what worked from competitors. It eventually came to the point where he couldn't stand just copying other companies' products anymore and left.

Then they moved on to how Samsung was doing the same thing to Nokia than what they started doing to Apple after the iPhone hit. They had people basically scouring the country's biggest technical university, Teknillinen Korkeakoulu (these days part of the Aalto University) who has always had close ties to Nokia and thus there were a number of professors with access to prototype devices. So when these people came to the offices of these professors and received demos, they were so aggressive that they almost hopped over the table during demos.

That basically all culminated in what was as close to a 1:1 replica that I've ever seen, can't recall the model name of it, but the device was pretty much a 1:1 replica of the Nokia N95 that didn't just copy the outsides of the device, even ran Symbian (which Nokia tried getting other companies to use for a long time with varying success).

 

[gatearray]

Mmmm, now that's good innovation!

 

[mib1800]

Apple is really innovative to come out with cripple email client that can't do attachments properly or the method to zap your important data to dust when you uninstall an app. Innovation at its finest. Really no one can ever beat this.

 

[Trapezoid]

Apple is really innovative to come out with cripple email client that can't do attachments properly or the method to zap your important data to dust when you uninstall an app. Innovation at its finest. Really no one can ever beat this.

Samsung is really innovative to come out with a camera for the s5 that fails completely randomly and cannot be fixed without getting a replacement that could also fail or huge battery drain issues with no cause. Really no one can ever beat this.

 

[Swordylove]

The long and expensive legal battle caused Pioneer to shut down its television business while Samsung thrived.

This is so sad and depressing...

I was already thinking of my next TV to potentially be a Samsung because I hear good things about them (their TVs and screens, not Samsung themselves). Not anymore...

They can take down, evade, and fool around with the big guys. Imagine how trouble-free it would be for them to infringe patents owned by small companies and aspiring designers. Disastrous.

 

[iMember]

Take back that useless ignorant remark, just because Samsung does, does not mean all Koreans do.

Let's take your logic and say all Americans are fraudsters, look at what Enron did in 2001.



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Who did Samsung copy to make the Galaxy Note series?

iPad

 

[satcomer]

Apple is really innovative to come out with cripple email client that can't do attachments properly or the method to zap your important data to dust when you uninstall an app. Innovation at its finest. Really no one can ever beat this.

Mail has a section in it's menu items for Always send Windows-friendly attachments in Mail . Plus you can use the simple free program AppCleaner.

 

[AbSoluTc]

How does that saying go? Karma is a female dog. Something like that.

Watch your back Samsung. Good always triumphs over evil. Your entire business model is predicated on stealing from others. That is evil. Rot in hell.

What I don't really understand are the U.S. citizens in here who support a foreign company which is stealing a U.S. company's intellectual property and profiting from it illegally and willfully. That's sick. You should be ashamed. I'm not saying you have to buy an iPhone but I am saying you shouldn't buy a Samsung phone. To the rest of the world: I just hope you follow your conscience. Innovation and products will improve globally if you do not support these disgusting leeches.

While I agree that Samsung's practices are deplorable at best, I really wouldn't equate Apple vs Samsung as good trumping evil. They are billion dollar corporations and they are only looking out for their bottom line. They want to make sure that nobody steals their stuff and it's all about them. Everything else is secondary.

I support Apple and love their products but by no means am I oblivious that they are here to make money above all else.

 

[k995]

Inventing is the same as buying the company that invented, therefore owning the patents. Apple is not a person, it's a corporation, so whatever they own before or after the invention belongs to Apple.

I'm not saying Fingerworks invented multitouch, but they patented some of the tech.

Actually as I already said apple only has patents on things like swipe to unlock . They tried to patent multi touch itself but got rejected .

And for all of those you have application before apple introduced it on an iphone.

Take pinch to zoom that dates back to 80's .

http://www.sam-mallery.com/2012/09/a-visual-history-of-pinch-to-zoom/

Or slide to unlock :

http://www.dailytech.com/Analysis+A...nvalid+or+Should+be+Narrowed/article24035.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0#t=260

Minute 4

Sorry seeing this was developed and released in 2002 2004 I dont see how apple can sue anyone for a phone they released in 2007 . Thats just plain absurd and shows how stupid patents have gotten.

 

[Michael Goff]

Well then that's a difference between you and I: You lack ethics. If the only thing you care about is the end product, then I pity you. There is much more to life then having fancy toys. A man is not defined by what he owns but by the life he leads.

I imagine you would not like it if someone in your town stole from you to create something great that makes them lots if money. You shouldn't obstruct him from accomplishing his goal. Don't file a police report for any goods stolen. It's all about his success because he took the initiative to steal from you to make something better. As a matter of fact, I think all corporations should start stealing from private citizens if it makes them more profits. We should also remove all environmental protections, and allow testing not only on animals but prisoners, children, and the mentally ill. It's all about the end product, right? So let's damn all the consequences of our actions and only focus on increasing corporate profits through superior products. Fantastic idea! Cheers for that.

Some of you millennials. Good grief.

Wow, that has to be some of the dumbest things I've ever read. Seriously, I pity you that you take it this far.Samsung didn't steal anything, they took inspiration. Just like Apple has been inspired by things in the past. The difference is that Apple is willing to doctor photos to make sure that everyone knows the inspiration.

It's obvious they took the design and reworked it. If you can't see the iPhone/iPad "inspiration" you're just trolling. Which is par for the course here.

So... they changed it, but anyone who doesn't agree that they stole it is a troll. Got it. There is a troll here, but it isn't me.

But that's different. Samsung is good when it makes superior components used in Apple products.

Pretty much sums up MR. :\

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iPad

Which iPad is it that's a 16:10, has a stylus, has capacitive buttons, and now has a 12.2" version? I'd buy that one.

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Their new strategy is to take all rumors about Apple and quickly make a product and release it so they can say they had it first. (see Gear/watch and heart-rate sensor)

Sure thing. Nobody is making a watch because they think it might be the next big thing, but because they think Apple is doing it. Same with the health thing. :|

 

[k995]

How does that saying go? Karma is a female dog. Something like that.

Watch your back Samsung. Good always triumphs over evil. Your entire business model is predicated on stealing from others. That is evil. Rot in hell.

What I don't really understand are the U.S. citizens in here who support a foreign company which is stealing a U.S. company's intellectual property and profiting from it illegally and willfully. That's sick. You should be ashamed. I'm not saying you have to buy an iPhone but I am saying you shouldn't buy a Samsung phone. To the rest of the world: I just hope you follow your conscience. Innovation and products will improve globally if you do not support these disgusting leeches.

Couldnt ignore this post.

Sorry but if you actually would look at the facts apple "stole" almost everything themselves . Almost every lawsuit they started was based on patents that when apple filed for them excisted already. Apple was just abel to patent them because of absurd regulation and the size of the company NOT because they were the first ever to think it .


You just dont want to know this information as you want apple (aka USA) to be the good guy and samsung (aka the evil foreigner) to be the bad guy.


Well sorry world is grey not black and white and apple is about as much grey as samsung is.

Basicly: get a clue before you go of ranting against someone about good vs evil and thinking yourself some knight in shining armor .

 

[Michael Goff]

You mean how apple and Microsoft stole the whole UI thing from IBM? Oh. THAT. Got it.

No, no, Apple borrowed it first and THEN paid for it. I suppose if Samsung were to pay Apple some sort of license fees, everything would be okay.

 

[TheHateMachine]

Gotta love revisionist history!

The long and expensive legal battle caused Pioneer to shut down its television business while Samsung thrived.

Yea, it surely wasn't due to the expensive NEC acquisition or the fact that due to their production costs they couldn't compete with the budget panels flooding the market at the time. No it was big bad Samsung dragging out a legal battle which bankrupted Pioneer!

 

[Michael Goff]

Gotta love revisionist history!



Yea, it surely wasn't due to the expensive NEC acquisition or the fact that due to their production costs they couldn't compete with the budget panels flooding the market at the time. No it was big bad Samsung dragging out a legal battle which bankrupted Pioneer!

People do love revising history when it comes to a company they don't like.

 

[TWSS37]

I'm confused. What phone is the iPhone and what phone is the Galaxy S?

The "SAMSUNG" stamped on the top didn't give it away? Or were you just looking at the icon grid and ignoring everything else?

 

[iBug2]

Pretty much sums up MR.

Thank god, because otherwise I'd think MR consists of posters who can only think in black and white. Samsung can be good when they do something good and be bad when they do something bad. Same as Apple. Are we a bunch of 5 year olds so we can't accept that a company is capable of both?

 

[Michael Goff]

Thank god, because otherwise I'd think MR consists of posters who can only think in black and white. Samsung can be good when they do something good and be bad when they do something bad. Same as Apple. Are we a bunch of 5 year olds so we can't accept that a company is capable of both?

Sadly, a lot of people here are widely in favor of whatever Apple does and hates whatever competitor is doing the best against them.