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Okay, going to have to call bull on you ever really owning a 3GS there, unless you had a 'refurbished' second hand one that had been given non-apple parts. Go have a look at the authorised replacement parts, the buttons are a solid aluminium nub affixed to a lever package.

I'm holding it in my hand now. Looks plasticy to me. Those are aluminium ? Coulda fooled me.

My 3GS was bought new in 2009. It was replaced in an Apple store a little before the warranty ran out for a refurb after the mute switch gave out. It's all original.

Call bull all you like, it doesn't particularly scream "more quality!" to me. It looks just like every other phone.

And the Galaxy S II has a glass screen too btw. So I call Bull on your knowledge. ;)

So you quote one phone that resembles the ancient android project prototypes and forget about the other 300 phones that were inspired by the iPhone?

Inspired by the iPhone is your subjective opinion. For all we know they were inspired by the LG KE850 or the Sony Ericsson P900s.

What about all other Android phones with slide out keyboards ? The Xperia Play with a gamepad ? Those inspired by the iPhone too or simply by other phones with slide-out keyboards ?

Trying to discuss phones with the Apple community is like trying to discuss religion, I swear.

My point is Android is an OS. It's software, it's device agnostic. Google does not design hardware.
 
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But after all the hoopla over the similarity and knowing how open it is.......

I'm taking a closer look,..and liking it !

I love gadgets and the iPhone has been great for 4 years but now.....I'm bored with it.

I'm in exactly the same boat. I have had every iPhone so far, but after having a number of technical issues with the iPhone 4 due to the baseband modem firmware and Vodafone Ireland transmitters dropping almost every call I made, which again was only introduced when apple upgraded the baseband in 4.2.1 back in November 2010.

So with the prospector an iPhone 4s this year, I decided instead of upgrading to another iPhone this year I am going to give Android a chance and bought a Samsung Galaxy S II and so far I do no regret it.
 
That is an easy claim because you can define “in volume” anything you like to make sure your claim sticks.
The term "in volume" might be a little vague but term successful is not. And let's be fair, before the original iPhone an all touchscreen phone was not the industry standard like it is today. I remember everyone touting the Nokia N95 as the all in one smartphone to beat, but we now see how that worked out. Apple with the iPhone have been able to merge business with pleasure in a way many companies they would have don't first.
 
So with the prospector an iPhone 4s this year, I decided instead of upgrading to another iPhone this year I am going to give Android a chance and bought a Samsung Galaxy S II and so far I do no regret it.

No regrets until the next iPhone is announced. Every year more and more people say the same thing, and as soon as the next iPhone is announced, everyone always comes running back. This year will be no different. Expect a "...One more thing!" at WWDC this year.
 
No regrets until the next iPhone is announced. Every year more and more people say the same thing, and as soon as the next iPhone is announced, everyone always comes running back. This year will be no different. Expect a "...One more thing!" at WWDC this year.

Who's this everyone ? Last I checked, iOS wasn't doing so good in the smartphone marketshare arena... Maybe not everyone is as much into iPhones as you think.

The iOS UI is getting pretty dated and many parts are in need of overhaul.
 
Who's this everyone ? Last I checked, iOS wasn't doing so good in the smartphone marketshare arena... Maybe not everyone is as much into iPhones as you think.

The iOS UI is getting pretty dated and many parts are in need of overhaul.

Hopefully iOS 5 is a major interface change and will have more functionality and input methods that we aren't expecting at all.
 
Who's this everyone ? Last I checked, iOS wasn't doing so good in the smartphone marketshare arena... Maybe not everyone is as much into iPhones as you think.

The iOS UI is getting pretty dated and many parts are in need of overhaul.

While iOS isn't growing as fast as Android, last I checked they grew 100% in the last quarter, and still take in half of all the smartphone profits. And by dated, what are the "many" parts that need an overhaul? The current notifications system needs to go, but what else?
 
Okay, going to have to call bull on you ever really owning a 3GS there, unless you had a 'refurbished' second hand one that had been given non-apple parts. Go have a look at the authorised replacement parts, the buttons are a solid aluminium nub affixed to a lever package.
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No, they are not aluminum. They are plastic
 
While iOS isn't growing as fast as Android, last I checked they grew 100% in the last quarter, and still take in half of all the smartphone profits. And by dated, what are the "many" parts that need an overhaul? The current notifications system needs to go, but what else?

i would love to see some more refinement on the home screens similar to what android is doing with widgets or wp7 is doing with their "information readily available" ui. Also more multitasking capabilities (with dual core and additional memory, this shouldn't be a huge issue). Not the kind that retains some information and restarts the app.
 
Turnabout Is Fair Play...But

...as the industry leader/innovator Apple has MUCH more to lose in the "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" game than Samsung, who is just another copy-cat follow the leader clone maker.
 
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The flaw in Samsung's argument is simply- they don't need to see Apple's devices, they're responsible for understanding the publicly available patents.
 
The idea is the original iPhone was the first all touchscreen phone to ship in volume.

What I thought was unique about the iPhone was that it was a touchscreen phone that ironically REQUIRED a hardware button to operate. Without a working Home button, it's unusable.

At the time, WinMo phones could operate completely without their non-power buttons because the apps list, volume and phone controls were all accessible from the touchscreen if you wished.

This is why Apple is suing Samsung...
Samsung even used a sunflower for their Gallery icon.

And why use a flower anyway? Samsung didn't even attempt to look for a better icon for Gallery... they just went ahead and used a sunflower like Apple. That's about as lazy as you can get!

True, but Koreans are prone to using flowers, butterflies etc. When I was in the Army there, we had a little culture shock at first at the flowery pendants that the Korean Army guys would sometimes wear off duty.

Something else to bear in mind is that none of the icons directly infringe on Apple's trademarks. For example:

Phone icon: Apple states that "The mark consists of a rectangle with rounded corners depicting a stylized white telephone receiver against a striped green and dark green background. A shade of light green covers the upper half of the rectangle design."

Gallery icon: "The mark consists of a gray, white, and blue rectangle with rounded corners depicting a stylized flower in the colors green, yellow, brown, black, white and gray."

Settings icon: "The mark consists of partial images of three gears shown in gray, white and silver, on a background of gray with black dots, all contained within a rectangular grey and white frame with rounded corners."
 

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Weak.

Really, Samsung?

You were already ordered to produce your knockoffs to Apple. THIS is your response??

This is one of their responses. Not weak. Some research before you comment will make your contributions more relevant.
 
What I thought was unique about the iPhone was that it was a touchscreen phone that ironically REQUIRED a hardware button to operate. Without a working Home button, it's unusable.

At the time, WinMo phones could operate completely without their non-power buttons because the apps list, volume and phone controls were all accessible from the touchscreen if you wished.

Agreed, but it you look back at the Keynote from 2007, notice the crowds reaction as simple features we take for granted now such as "slide to unlock" were shown, or double tap, or pinch to zoom were shown. People take these things for granted because every phone has them now, but no one had them prior to the original iPhone. Not only that but the way that Apple revolutionized the way we view the web from our mobile devices was also taken to another level by Apple and the iPhone as well.

I don't think the idea is so much that Apple hates competition and just wants to sue everyone so much as it is that Apple hates other companies that completely rip them off.
 
I remember everyone touting the Nokia N95 as the all in one smartphone to beat, but we now see how that worked out.

That must have been very uninformed people then. Because I would have said the the Sony Ericsson P800 … P990i (depending which year you ask) would be the Smartphone to beat.

2002:

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2003:

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2004:

vrally.jpg


2006:

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And when did the iPhone came out? Yep, 2007. I would say that the phones above put a damper on the legend that the iPhone was the first all touch screen phone.

The one thing that the iPhone had was better marketing and a (for the time) super slim design.
 
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What I thought was unique about the iPhone was that it was a touchscreen phone that ironically REQUIRED a hardware button to operate. Without a working Home button, it's unusable.

At the time, WinMo phones could operate completely without their non-power buttons because the apps list, volume and phone controls were all accessible from the touchscreen if you wished.

True. And lets not forget, PocketPC and Palm OS had phones out long before Apple, as early as 2002-ish. If anyone copied a concept, it was Apple. But to Apple's credit, they refined the concept to a superior level. But Apple has to stop this nonsense that *it* invented the PDA phone. They made it better, but they didn't come up with the idea.
 
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I remember everyone touting the Nokia N95 as the all in one smartphone to beat, but we now see how that worked out.

That must have been very uninformed people then. Because I would have said the the Sony Ericsson P800 … P990i (depending which year you ask) would be the Smartphone to beat.

2002:

http://cdn1.mobilemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/image_56834_superimage.jpg

2003:

http://static.esato.com/gfx/phones/sonyericssonp900.jpg

2004:

http://www.centrumse.pl/img/testy/p910i/vrally.jpg

2006:

http://www.letsgomobile.org/images/news/sonyericsson/sony_ericsson_p990.jpg

And when did the iPhone came out? Yep, 2007. I would say that the phones above put a damper on the legend that the iPhone was the first all touch screen phone.

The one thing that the iPhone had was better marketing and a (for the time) super slim design.

The first touchscreen phone that didn't suck.

It was as if those other science fair projects didn't even exist before the iPhone. THAT is how good Apple's implementation was. Who cares about who tried it first.
 
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Dear Apple,

We will send the products we demoed publicly. In return, we expect unannounced prototypes of your best products.

This will give us a competitive advantage even though we were the ones who stole your intellectual property in the first place.

Sincerely yours,

Samsung
 
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