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Samsung's Lawyers Demand to See iPhone 5 and iPad 3
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Does the same reasoning go for a certain brand of computers that you have to pay premium for?
Samsung is the only manufacturer capable of producing the components in enough volume for Apple. Apple is very dependent on Samsung, but it's not the other way around.
That's fine, Samsung will just sell those parts to other Apple competitors and not miss a beat. It's not like Apple represents a big part of Samsung's revenue.
With 3million+ pre-orders in less than two weeks. They're going to need that additional bandwidth.
In a non-dev phone there are none in US (other than maybe droid x)
edit: I lied. It looks like xperia play got released with gingerbread on board
Nexus S and Nexus One aren't dev phones. My carrier actually currently sells the Nexus S and another carrier here is still selling the Nexus One.
The Xperia Arc too. And basically all the new Xperia models launched by SE in Q2.
I would still call them dev phones. Just carry subidisy and sold to the general public but they are still dev phones in how they work.
Google uses them as dev devices, but the devices themselves as sold to the public aren't dev phones.
Apple has only asked to see products that Samsung has put in the public domain, regardless of the fact that they are prototypes.
I seriously doubt either Apple or Samsung will break any existing signed contracts or renege on delivery dates of parts as that would most certainly start a whole other round of lawsuits.
I'm not sure if that's the veiled threat that Samsung's CEO alluded to when he said things could "escalate", but I really don't think that's in either company's interest.
Apple probably already needs more parts than Samsung can supply, so I'm sure they're making deals elsewhere, but I doubt either company will renege on any existing deal.
Now my question is, what happens if Apple wins its lawsuit against smaller HTC?
Won't that really put pressure on Samsung to settle and at the same time scare Google and endanger Android licensing deals?
I'm not a lawyer, but aren't many of these patent claims based on the Android software, not the actual hardware?
Exactly, the Samsung products Apple asked to see have been announced, shown in public, demoed and/or released.
Samsung is asking to see mythical products mentioned on rumor sites that Apple has never mentioned exists or are even in development.
What's next? The judge subpoenas Mac Rumors for tech specs on the alleged Apple device? LOL
I seriously doubt this will be granted, but is a delaying tactic and threat to get Apple back to the negotiating table to settle.
The same reasoning would go if you were comparing an Apple branded monitor to something like say a Dell branded monitor.
A person pays more for a Mac because it offers a completely different experience. An HDTV is an HDTV just like a computer monitor is a computer monitor. Shopping on features and reviews along with the best value for the money is a better plan then just buying for brand.
There are many here who have repeatedly gone on record stating that they in fact do not necessarily like everything that Apple makes, nor do they find every device Apple makes as being perfect, nor do they approve of everything that Apple does, yet they still get labeled as fanboys because they voice an opinion that is different from those who frequent this site to consistently bash Apple... and then proceed to get snarly because we don't agree.
If you don't like Apple, KnightWRX, that's fine, I'm totally okay with that. That's your choice. That being the case why come to a Pro-Apple site just to tell everyone how wrong we all are? No, seriously. If I sound at all snarly in my posts with you, it's not so much because we disagree, it more because why are you here at all!
It's fine that we disagree, I just don't see the need to continually come here and tell everyone on a pro-Apple site, how much you dislike Apple. What's the point?
For the record, I would say the same thing to an pro-Apple person who frequents an Android fan site, to go on about how great that they think that Apple is, then gets all pissy when someone disagrees. What do you expect! Of course they are going to be pro Android, it's an pro Android fan site for crying out loud!
These 2 statements in your post are sooooooo ironic. Do you even realise you did exactly what you are saying people shouldn't do ?
Where did you get that I don't like Apple ? The fact that I use Apple products ? That I write code for Apple products ? That I often defend Apple products when people ignore the facts about them ?
Seriously, practice what you preach more. Not because someone happens to sometime disagree with Apple that they are a "hater" or "hate" Apple.
Ironic? How so? If I was on an pro-Android site slamming Android, then yes, that would be ironic.
Well you certainly come across as Anti-Apple and based on many of your other conversations, it doesn't appear as though I'm the only one who feels that way. Okay, you write code for Apple products... and that would prove what exactly? A job is a job.
I don't disagree with everything that you say. I also realize that court cases can go either way. I'd agree that some patents are BS and the whole patent system is basically a wreck. But seriously man, look at the the pre-iPhone devices and look at what the top selling touch phones are like today and tell me that they all didn't base their designs on Apple's work. I'm not saying that Apple invented the world. I'm not saying that they're perfect.
FWIW, the LG phone that you brought up, while pretty nice, in fact was not officially announced by LG until after the iPhone was announced and even then, LG never showed a working device, they only showed a picture. Your link was to a rumour site showing "leaked" information. Meh, seriously that is all splitting hairs anyway, we're talking a couple of weeks. It's pretty clear that they were working on similar tech at the time.
The touch type phones of today do not resemble the LG Chocolate much at all but they do strike a very strong resemblance to the iPhone. Then again, that's just a coincidence? I understand why Apple are a little pissed.
At one point you brought up Google. Yes I do think that Google should be sued. How Eric Scmidtt can sit on a company's board, be privy to what they are working on in their labs, turn around, go back to Google and have them duplicate everything damn near exactly is unbelievable. What Google was doing was far too close to be an accident. (in my opinion, but you are entitled to yours)
Update: According to Wikipedia, LG claims that the Prada won an award some months earlier and further claim that Apple stole ideas from them although no action was taken. This info is buried at the bottom of the page with no mention in the summary at the top of the page. I'm not sure why though.
I don't find that the LG device is overly like the iPhone, certainly not the interface. And it is not like the iPhone the same way the Google devices are like the iPhone as far as UI and operation is concerned.
Depending what Apple is successful with (if at all) in it's issues with Samsung and possibly Google, that perhaps may open the door for LG to challenge them. Again it all may come down to who patented what and when. The whole patent game is enough to make my head spin. As I have always said, if Apple is proven to have used someone else's IP, they need to be accountable like everyone else. I'll stand by that.
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Wikipidea is dubious when it comes to accuracy. But, that being said, I think here is why apple is pissed.
When you look at an ad in, like say the train, for one of those samsung phones, you kinda just stare at it, and have to blink a couple of times cause youd swear you were looking at an iphone and then you look at the logo, oh its samsung and go uh wtf? But even then, its just reinforcing that iphone=smartphone meme, so made for apple its not so bad annoying yes.
Imitation is the sincerest form of consumer electronics i guess.
In this case, the argument is reversed. For the phone icon, Apple employed a commonly used shape and color that users could easily recognize. If anyone wants to argue that a company could've used a different shape or color, then Apple should be high on their complaint list.
Starting with the first giant handset, nearly every cell phone since has used a green phone emblem. Heck, HTC and Palm both used a left leaning green phone on their Send keys for years before the iPhone came along:
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Translate that key to a touchscreen, and the most reasonable thing to do is make it a green button with a white icon. As you can see below, in fact that was done in at least one example back in 2004 on Windows Mobile.
What I find more interesting is that Apple first demoed the iPhone in Jan 2007 using the all green icon below. But they did not try to trademark that one, probably because it was obvious and already used. Instead, they trademarked a version with background stripes on it, something quite different from what everyone else used, including Samsung.
Wikipidea is dubious when it comes to accuracy. But, that being said, I think here is why apple is pissed.
When you look at an ad in, like say the train, for one of those samsung phones, you kinda just stare at it, and have to blink a couple of times cause youd swear you were looking at an iphone and then you look at the logo, oh its samsung and go uh wtf? But even then, its just reinforcing that iphone=smartphone meme, so made for apple its not so bad annoying yes.
Imitation is the sincerest form of consumer electronics i guess.
Agreed. I don't think that Apple are so ticked with one or two things. It seems to be (item A) + (item B) + (item C) + (item D) +(item E) + (item F)... It's a whole lot of little things all together that in their opinion begin to cloud things and cause consumer confusion.
As I've said, my personal opinion is that I think Apple have a case. I believe that Samsung went a little too far. BUT I'm not a patent lawyer or a judge. I'm not always right. Furthermore, the right things don't always happen in a court of law, so it's all up in the air.
Why aren't tech patents like drug patents? They are good for a certain number of years and then they are opened up to everyone. That way the patent holder can recoup the R and D and after it expires the entire industry can benefit from the technology. I'm just asking. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Lawyers might not like it because it could reduce the number of law suits.
No, Ironic because you say we shouldn't call people "Fanboys" based on pro-Apple posts, yet there you stand and without any second thought you call me a "hater" for posting negative things about Apple.
Can't I like Apple without liking everything they do all the time ? Do I only have the post positive things about them to not be "Anti-Apple" ? Of course not, same as your call to not label people Fanboys, you shouldn't label people Haters.
That is what is ironic. You standing there and asking people not to label others yet there you are labeling away.
Funny all of you who like to label me a hater always ignore the pro-Apple stuff I post. It's always easier to just dimiss objective commentary as "hate" and "anti-apple" than it is to actually address the arguments, so I don't blame you. Apple isn't always right and it seems hard for some of you guys to accept that fact sometimes.
What job ? My job is doing Unix systems administration on HP platforms. Writing code for Apple products is a hobby of mine. Did you think this was my job ?
No, I love Objective-C as a language and writing iOS code right now is something I enjoy doing in my spare time.But then again, labeling it as "just a job" means you don't have to change your perception of me and you can just label away, while pleading for others not to label the "Fanboys". I guess you like being Ironic.
Oh, that's what you meant by ironic. Ok, fair enough. While I honestly don't don't pay much attention to screen names, yours I do recall. I'll go back and read your pro-apple posts, I'm sure that they're there, it's just the negative that I seem to recall.
By "job", I was actually referring to a project by which one makes money not any sort of full-time employment.
I have my opinion on Apple's claims. You have yours. Apple has theirs. Samsung has theirs and the only one that really matters is the going to be judge anyway. Based on your comments, I'm sure we'd agree on at least this. So here's an idea, let's just leave it there. I 'm a bit tired of this and I expect that you are too. We don't agree and I'm fine with that. I'll go so far and concede and say that I even respect your opinion. (didn't see that coming did you?) LOL
Seriously, no sarcasm.
Cheers.
By "job", I was actually referring to a project by which one makes money not any sort of full-time employment.
I have my opinion on Apple's claims. You have yours. Apple has theirs. Samsung has theirs and the only one that really matters is the going to be judge anyway. Based on your comments, I'm sure we'd agree on at least this. So here's an idea, let's just leave it there. I 'm a bit tired of this and I expect that you are too. We don't agree and I'm fine with that. I'll go so far and concede and say that I even respect your opinion. (didn't see that coming did you?) LOL
Seriously, no sarcasm.
Cheers.
Where is this money "I make" off of my hobby ? In fact, go to the iPhone programming forum right here on Macrumors and there's a thread about the status of my project. It's very far from making any money, nor is that even in my plans right now.
Again, you recall what your perception allows you to recall.
Wow, just wow.
I have no way of knowing what your hobbies are or whether you get paid or not. Why are you getting worked up for crying out loud? I wasn't referring to any specific thing. Just a project as in something you work on. I usually get paid for projects (or jobs) but sometimes I do them just because. I call them a job or a project regardless of whether I'm getting paid or not.
I've told you that while we may not agree, I sincerely respect your opinion and expressed that perhaps we should just let it go, or is it that you just prefer to argue? I have better things to do, and I expect that you do as well.
Seriously dude just take a step back and relax. I'm not angry at you, I'm not offended that you don't share my opinion. We don't have to agree, but what's wrong with just letting go?
Hmmmm
It seems that as Samsung is a builder of Apple bits, they of course have knowledge of future Apple stuff... thus it's one of the untold reasons for them to venture the gambit to request the judge to show Apples future product.
It seems that as Samsung is a builder of Apple bits, they of course have knowledge of future Apple stuff... thus it's one of the untold reasons for them to venture the gambit to request the judge to show Apples future product.
Because you're insulting me and making assumptions about me without knowing anything about me ? I'm not getting worked up, just finding you quite silly to ask us not to assume someone posting positive Apple stuff is a "fanboy" and then you go assuming someone posting negative Apple stuff is a "hater".
Simply pointing out to you your fallacy in logic and the irony in your post is not me getting worked up. Again, your perception. There is no emotion in forum posts.
It seems that as Samsung is a builder of Apple bits, they of course have knowledge of future Apple stuff... thus it's one of the untold reasons for them to venture the gambit to request the judge to show Apples future product.
Hum, selling NAND chips and screens doesn't give you the whole details of the future products at all.