Samsung's More Affordable Galaxy S10e Compared to iPhone XR

[FFR]

You base value on what it can do not what it's resell value is.

XR may have a good resell value but doesn't mean much when it's such a basic phone that does very little apart from the basics

Value is value and Samsung’s value drops sharply, where as the iPhone XR and Xs will not.

Your perceived functional value does not out weigh the decline in intrinsic value.

Remember intrinsic value is quantifiable and universally accepted, your perceived functional value is not.

Actually a good resale value would mean it’s holding its value and meeting expectations, irregardless of your options towards it as a device.

With Samsung you get far better value for money. It can do alot more than any iPhone and certainly more than the XR which is rather poor for the price If you want a high capacity

You can’t get better value for money if the device drops in value compared to an iPhone XS or xr, that’s not the way economics work.

Apple does use nvme for its storage which offer better performance compared to Samsung’s Ufs 2.1. It is more expensive but it is superior to ufs, which would be on of the reasons of increased value for the xr over the s10.

Samsung didn’t even put in ufs 3.1 instead they are using the old standard which would further decrease value at the expense of the customer.

 

[FFR]

There has been no such statement and no sales fiqures have even been confirmed. Only thing reported is S10 is doing very well so far in comparison to the S9 that's all that's been said

Your wrong on both points.
Statement was made and released by Samsung regarding lower expectations for the 1st quarter of 2019, which includes s10 preorders and first month of sales. Depressed sales of components such as memory and displays as well as decline in smartphone sales were the reasons cited.

And Sales numbers were released for s10 pre orders in Korea and they are lower than the s9.

 

[The Game 161]

Your wrong on both points.
Statement was made and released by Samsung regarding lower expectations for the 1st quarter of 2019, which includes s10 preorders and first month of sales. Depressed sales of components such as memory and displays as well as decline in smartphone sales were the reasons cited.

And Sales numbers were released for s10 pre orders in Korea and they are lower than the s9.

I’m not wrong at all, samsung have made no such statement from what I’ve seen about any sales figures after the S10’s.If i’m Wrong apologies

Any statements they have made were pre S10’s sales. The only reported sales for the S10’s were either very positive or slightly over S9 sales. Phone arena even said S10’s may have sold 10 million units this month alone. Wether it’s true nobody really knows.

As for your point about value and resell value. I guess we clearly have a different mindset on what good value really means.

I view good value in spending money and getting a lot for what i pay for. Sure the XR currently may go for £450 compared to the S9 300-350 but with how Samsung handles trade ins you can sometimes get anywhere from 300-500 money off the next samsung flagship. Which if you only buy samsung devices is a damn good deal and you get far more freebies to make the outset in price no different or even better than if you were to try and sell your iPhone.

If i’m Going to spend 1K on a phone i want a lot of features and i sure as hell want a fast charger in the box or get the samsung version of air pods which you got with the S10. That to me is real value for money.

If you sell your iPhone XS Max for say £600-£650 you are still going to end up needing to pay over £750 more for the 256GB model which is far more than what you would with the next Samsung flagships once you get your trade ins/ gifts free with the phone. so money wise you are better off with samsung’s Offers.

 

[FFR]

I’m not wrong at all, samsung have made no such statement from what I’ve seen about any sales figures after the S10’s.If i’m Wrong apologies

Any statements they have made were pre S10’s sales. The only reported sales for the S10’s were either very positive or slightly over S9 sales. Phone arena even said S10’s may have sold 10 million units this month alone. Wether it’s true nobody really knows.

As for your point about value and resell value. I guess we clearly have a different mindset on what good value really means.

I view good value in spending money and getting a lot for what i pay for. Sure the XR currently may go for £450 compared to the S9 300-350 but with how Samsung handles trade ins you can sometimes get anywhere from 300-500 money off the next samsung flagship. Which if you only buy samsung devices is a damn good deal and you get far more freebies to make the outset in price no different or even better than if you were to try and sell your iPhone.

If i’m Going to spend 1K on a phone i want a lot of features and i sure as hell want a fast charger in the box or get the samsung version of air pods which you got with the S10. That to me is real value for money.

If you sell your iPhone XS Max for say £600-£650 you are still going to end up needing to pay over £750 more for the 256GB model which is far more than what you would with the next Samsung flagships once you get your trade ins/ gifts free with the phone. so money wise you are better off with samsung’s Offers.

The only numbers released so far paints a very bad picture for the s10 and those numbers show the s10 doing worse than the s9 in pre sales out of Korea, Samsung’s home market.

Samsung came out and released a statement about 1q 2019. It’s not good.


If I’m going to spend 1k on a phone and the phone loses 70% of its value in 5 months that’s not good value or a good deal, no matter how you try to spin it. I would wait 5 months, that would be better value.

Freebies are worthless. getting stuff for free that Samsung couldn’t sell doesn’t really increase value. If you sell it right away you take a hit because everyone else that preordered are doing the same. Sell the freebies used, good luck with that.

The iPhone X was selling for around £750 when the iPhone Xs launched, some were getting £800 or £850. Much more than what Samsung was offering as a trade in value.

That s9 is way over priced.
S9 are going for £200-300 on gumtree

You can already find an s10e for £500 and s10+ for £620, value sinks like a rock.

 

[The Game 161]

The only numbers released so far paints a very bad picture for the s10 and those numbers show the s10 doing worse than the s9 in pre sales out of Korea, Samsung’s home market.

Samsung came out and released a statement about 1q 2019. It’s not good.


If I’m going to spend 1k on a phone and the phone loses 70% of its value in 5 months that’s not good value or a good deal, no matter how you try to spin it. I would wait 5 months, that would be better value.

Freebies are worthless. getting stuff for free that Samsung couldn’t sell doesn’t really increase value. If you sell it right away you take a hit because everyone else that preordered are doing the same. Sell the freebies used, good luck with that.

The iPhone X was selling for around £750 when the iPhone Xs launched, some were getting £800 or £850. Much more than what Samsung was offering as a trade in value.

That s9 is way over priced.
S9 are going for £200-300 on gumtree

You can already find an s10e for £500 and s10+ for £620, value sinks like a rock.

Not sure where you are reading that it paints a bad picture as everything i have seen suggests 20 million units within the next 1-3 months being shipped and by end of the year between 35-45 million. Nobody is saying samsung will sell the huge amount iPhones have done in the apple’s history as apple have built themselves over a long period to get people to buy these devices but the point originally is they are selling more than the previous version which in the way the market is currently is good news.

I think it’s silly to suggest freebies are worthless when the galaxy buds look a better product than the air pods. Seeing as it sounds better, has way more features to make it how you want it and it actually uses a great assistant instead of worthless Siri. All reports the galaxy buds are a great product and getting them free is a huge bonus for the Samsung ecosystem if you were to compare it to apples.

Obviously if you have an iPhone air pods would work better sync wise but likely wise buds are better for a samsung device. To get them free is great.

That’s prices you list certainly didn’t exist from my memory. You can get £650 for my max 256GB now on comparison sites which i’m Sure will go down more before the next iPhone is out.

And when it comes to buying older galaxy phones or the current ones by getting it cheaper in say 2-3 months that to me is far better value seeing as you can get a great phone for a much cheaper price by just waiting a matter of months. Least then if you can get the current flagship cheap you are certainly getting better value for money by paying less than an iPhone which doesn’t really do half of what the galaxy phones do.

Trade ins from samsung certainly out weigh the money you get back from iPhones.

Is the money you get back for iPhones great? Yes of course but if you buy only Samsung phones you get just as much value by trading in your Samsung device for the new one as you would if you sold your iPhone to get the new one.

 

[Shanghaichica]

You can’t call something good value if it can’t retain value one month after launching/sales.

In three months time, the xr will hold on to its value and the s10 will not, happens every year.



Yeah that’s not actually true.
In fact Samsung has just released a statement claiming first quarter earnings will be lower than expected, they cited weak component sales and worst than expected smartphone sales as the primary reason,

FYI: Samsung’s first quarter earnings include March, guess the 30% increase in pre orders was really for only one country, and was not sustainable after the ending launch promotions.

I don’t think value for money is only about the resale value. I think it encompass the product itself, it’s features and how the device works for you. Value is a subjective measure.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Don't want to go way too far off-topic, but the family uses icloud for the backup. And I use icloud for photos so my ipad has my latest photos. It's about the convenience and not having to sync up multiple devices. I'm sure google has something similar for android users (or even ios users) but I'm not interested.

There’s no better option here as we use what works best for us. I use iCloud primarily much like my family do and it makes photo sharing much easier etc. I also use google drive for my documents as it’s a much better system for categorising and accessing on the go. I find both options provide me with a wide range of options and I’m glad it’s free. Amazon also provide a good cloud service.

 

[FFR]

Not sure where you are reading that it paints a bad picture as everything i have seen suggests 20 million units within the next 1-3 months being shipped and by end of the year between 35-45 million. Nobody is saying samsung will sell the huge amount iPhones have done in the apple’s history as apple have built themselves over a long period to get people to buy these devices but the point originally is they are selling more than the previous version which in the way the market is currently is good news.

From Samsung’s statement claiming that sales will fall short of projections.

Remember last year when the s9 had the same projections from the same sources and 2 months later it was revealed that the s9 was a failure, 4 months after launch it was the worst selling galaxy since 2013.

I think it’s silly to suggest freebies are worthless when the galaxy buds look a better product than the air pods. Seeing as it sounds better, has way more features to make it how you want it and it actually uses a great assistant instead of worthless Siri. All reports the galaxy buds are a great product and getting them free is a huge bonus for the Samsung ecosystem if you were to compare it to apples.

Every review I have read comparing the galaxy buds to the AirPods say they fall short in performance compared to the AirPods. Just because they are free doesn’t make them as good or equal to the AirPods, it just means Samsung didn’t think it could sell any on its merits.

Obviously if you have an iPhone air pods would work better sync wise but likely wise buds are better for a samsung device. To get them free is great.

So you agree that the iPhone + AirPods isn’t equal to galaxy s10 and galaxy bud, but you will comprîmes because it’s free.
I would rather pay for a product that worked then get one free that work some of the time, but that’s just me.

That’s prices you list certainly didn’t exist from my memory. You can get £650 for my max 256GB now on comparison sites which i’m Sure will go down more before the next iPhone is out.

It’s not from memory just checked gumtree.
You would be able to get more if it was unlocked, the prices of the galaxy s9 and s10 were of unlocked models, locked variants would be even cheaper.

The xs max was released in September, 6 months ago, the s10 isn’t even a month old. M

If you unlock your phone you would be able to get more for it now and in six months time, as long as it’s in good condition.

And when it comes to buying older galaxy phones or the current ones by getting it cheaper in say 2-3 months that to me is far better value seeing as you can get a great phone for a much cheaper price by just waiting a matter of months. Least then if you can get the current flagship cheap you are certainly getting better value for money by paying less than an iPhone which doesn’t really do half of what the galaxy phones do.

You can’t claim a device losing 50% of its value in 2-3 months is good value.That’s illogical, because we know in 6-7 months that value would drop further to 70%.

Trade ins from samsung certainly out weigh the money you get back from iPhones.

You could get more for money for the iPhone through a private sale than Samsung’s trade in program, the same isn’t true for another Samsung device you will always get less.

Is the money you get back for iPhones great? Yes of course but if you buy only Samsung phones you get just as much value by trading in your Samsung device for the new one as you would if you sold your iPhone to get the new one.

That money is called “value”.

Sure if you only buy Samsung phones through Samsung and sell them back to Samsung and Samsung chooses to keep the trade in program. But if any of the parameters aren’t met or If Samsung choses to cancel or change the trade in program next year or the year after, your s10 value disappears very quickly if Samsung is the only vendor willing to honor said value.

As with the flagship iPhones it’s never a problem, someone always wants one at a discount and are willing to pay for it.

 

[FFR]

I don’t think value for money is only about the resale value. I think it encompass the product itself, it’s features and how the device works for you. Value is a subjective measure.

If your talking about value in relation to money or worth its pretty clear cut.

As a noun or a verb:

Dictionary also has British phrase for value

Perhaps your thinking of values with an s?


Back to the topic the s10 will not retain value over the xr no matter anyone’s personal subjective opinons.

 

[The Game 161]

From Samsung’s statement claiming that sales will fall short of projections.

Remember last year when the s9 had the same projections from the same sources and 2 months later it was revealed that the s9 was a failure, 4 months after launch it was the worst selling galaxy since 2013.

But the point was based on projections seeing as nothing has been confirmed by anybody. No sales figures are ever announced or confirmed. All you can go by is what they have reportly sold and what they expect to sell.

Every review I have read comparing the galaxy buds to the AirPods say they fall short in performance compared to the AirPods. Just because they are free doesn’t make them as good or equal to the AirPods, it just means Samsung didn’t think it could sell any on its merits.

Funny as i have seen more videos praising the buds over the air pods. A lot that’s been said they are great in comparison to the air pods. No it just means samsung care more about their customers but giving them gifts. I Would rather have gifts than get nothing at all which is what you get with apple.

So you agree that the iPhone + AirPods isn’t equal to galaxy s10 and galaxy bud, but you will comprîmes because it’s free.
I would rather pay for a product that worked then get one free that work some of the time, but that’s just me.

No i clearly said air pods make sense if you have an iPhone seeing as features like Siri will work better on the iPhone just like air pods would be pointless on an android device as it won’t sync like it does on the iPhone.

If you have an S10 the galaxy buds will work perfectly so certainly wouldn’t be some of the time...it’s pairs like the air pods do on the iPhone. As i said the buds are a very good product and even if you bought them will still cost 70 quid less than the air pods would. Rather have that than what the air pods bring personally.

It’s not from memory just checked gumtree.
You would be able to get more if it was unlocked, the prices of the galaxy s9 and s10 were of unlocked models, locked variants would be even cheaper.

The xs max was released in September, 6 months ago, the s10 isn’t even a month old. M

If you unlock your phone you would be able to get more for it now and in six months time, as long as it’s in good condition.

Never said you wouldn’t get good value back you clearly would. That said if you were selling just to buy the new iPhone due to the iPhone cost around £150 more than the galaxy phones the difference from trading it in with samsung would be no real difference.

You can’t claim a device losing 50% of its value in 2-3 months is good value.That’s illogical, because we know in 6-7 months that value would drop further to 70%.

Of course it’s good value based on what you are paying. If you are paying 1K for a S10’s plus and it is filled with features where what you can do on the device is endless you are getting far more value than if you pay 1250 for an iPhone XS Max which has basically half of the features.

You could get more for money for the iPhone through a private sale than Samsung’s trade in program, the same isn’t true for another Samsung device you will always get less.

The point is trading in with Samsung for the new phone you still paying less than if you sold your iPhone privately to buy the new iPhone.

Sure if you only buy Samsung phones through Samsung and sell them back to Samsung and Samsung chooses to keep the trade in program. But if any of the parameters aren’t met or If Samsung choses to cancel or change the trade in program next year or the year after, your s10 value disappears very quickly if Samsung is the only vendor willing to honor said value.

As with the flagship iPhones it’s never a problem, someone always wants one at a discount and are willing to pay for it.

Why would they cance; the trade in program? Makes far too much sense to keep things how it is. However we aren’t talking what ifs we are talking about what it is now...

Clearly we have different views on what the word good value for money clearly means in the terms i was talking about but hey that’s fine...

iPhones will have great resale values that’s for sure no matter what product it is.

Me personally I would rather pay 1K for a phone and get every possible feature than pay more for far less features which is what i was talking about when it came to value for money.

 

[Shanghaichica]

If your talking about value in relation to money or worth its pretty clear cut.

As a noun or a verb:

Dictionary also has British phrase for value

Perhaps your thinking of values with an s?


Back to the topic the s10 will not retain value over the xr no matter anyone’s personal subjective opinons.

No I think number 1 on that list of definitions sums up what I’m saying. Worth isn’t only about money.

 

[FFR]

No I think number 1 on that list of definitions sums up what I’m saying. Worth isn’t only about money.

But if your speaking about the value (no s) of a phone its pretty clear cut.
Unless your claiming the s10 has only one value over the xr?

 

[FFR]

But the point was based on projections seeing as nothing has been confirmed by anybody. No sales figures are ever announced or confirmed. All you can go by is what they have reportly sold and what they expect to sell.





Funny as i have seen more videos praising the buds over the air pods. A lot that’s been said they are great in comparison to the air pods. No it just means samsung care more about their customers but giving them gifts. I Would rather have gifts than get nothing at all which is what you get with apple.





No i clearly said air pods make sense if you have an iPhone seeing as features like Siri will work better on the iPhone just like air pods would be pointless on an android device as it won’t sync like it does on the iPhone.

If you have an S10 the galaxy buds will work perfectly so certainly wouldn’t be some of the time...it’s pairs like the air pods do on the iPhone. As i said the buds are a very good product and even if you bought them will still cost 70 quid less than the air pods would. Rather have that than what the air pods bring personally.





Never said you wouldn’t get good value back you clearly would. That said if you were selling just to buy the new iPhone due to the iPhone cost around £150 more than the galaxy phones the difference from trading it in with samsung would be no real difference.




Of course it’s good value based on what you are paying. If you are paying 1K for a S10’s plus and it is filled with features where what you can do on the device is endless you are getting far more value than if you pay 1250 for an iPhone XS Max which has basically half of the features.




The point is trading in with Samsung for the new phone you still paying less than if you sold your iPhone privately to buy the new iPhone.





Why would they cance; the trade in program? Makes far too much sense to keep things how it is. However we aren’t talking what ifs we are talking about what it is now...

Clearly we have different views on what the word good value for money clearly means in the terms i was talking about but hey that’s fine...

iPhones will have great resale values that’s for sure no matter what product it is.

Me personally I would rather pay 1K for a phone and get every possible feature than pay more for far less features which is what i was talking about when it came to value for money.

Samsung came out and said that smartphone sales for the Jan-March quarter is weak as well as component sales going forward.

Networks in Korea revealed preorder numbers that were less than the s9.

You don’t have to accept it but you can’t keep feigning ignorance that its not happening just because you choose not to read Samsung’s profit warning on lowered guidance for the quarter. It’s the second time since January that they have issued a warning.


Sure they are, I’m sure you will keep using your galaxy buds when they finally ship and you receive them.

The features you mention are subjective. I can do more with an iPhone than i could with a galaxy device within apples ecosystem, much more.

I put more emphasis on the quality of the device, components used, support, and ecosystem over one or two Samsung features not found on an iPhone.

Why would i compromise? For some free mediocre headphones.
I’m good.

 

[The Game 161]

Samsung came out and said that smartphone sales for the Jan-March quarter is weak as well as component sales going forward.

Networks in Korea revealed preorder numbers that were less than the s9.

You don’t have to accept it but you can’t keep feigning ignorance that its not happening just because you choose not to read Samsung’s profit warning on lowered guidance for the quarter. It’s the second time since January that they have issued a warning.


Sure they are, I’m sure you will keep using your galaxy buds when they finally ship and you receive them.

The features you mention are subjective. I can do more with an iPhone than i could with a galaxy device within apples ecosystem, much more.

I put more emphasis on the quality of the device, components used, support, and ecosystem over one or two Samsung features not found on an iPhone.

Why would i compromise? For some free mediocre headphones.
I’m good.

Guess we agree to disagree.

You’re happy with your iPhone and at the end of the day that’s all that matters. If it works for you then what you spend on apple is worth it to you. Sadly for me I have got sick of what i feel is apple short changing with little features for the price when my S10’s plus can do so much more. I still love my iPad so that’s not changing but everything else i can get for a better price with more worthwhile features.

Hopefully apple improves and surprises me but i don’t see that happening anytime soon.

I hope they knock it out the park with IOS 13 as a refresh is badly needed.

 

[FFR]

Guess we agree to disagree.

You’re happy with your iPhone and at the end of the day that’s all that matters. If it works for you then what you spend on apple is worth it to you. Sadly for me I have got sick of what i feel is apple short changing with little features for the price when my S10’s plus can do so much more. I still love my iPad so that’s not changing but everything else i can get for a better price with more worthwhile features.

Hopefully apple improves and surprises me but i don’t see that happening anytime soon.

I hope they knock it out the park with IOS 13 as a refresh is badly needed.

Some consumers are looking for quality others features nothing wrong with that.

Again that depends on the user, I believe that aamsung is shortchanging users with the quality of the s10 over the Xs. Aluminum vs SS, 8nm soc vs 7nm with an npu, ufs 2.1 vs nvme, 3D facial recognition vs 2d etc etc. Not even to mention the iOS ecosystem: IMessage, FaceTime, iCloud, etc, etc.

The only thing I want from iOS 13 is a dark mode and the ability to use the second sim/esim with IMessages and FaceTime. Don’t really want or need a refreshed GUI, don’t think a lot of iOS users want one either. Why mess with what works and alienate the majority of users who prefer iOS the way it is.

 

[Blaze4G]

Samsung came out and said that smartphone sales for the Jan-March quarter is weak as well as component sales going forward.

Networks in Korea revealed preorder numbers that were less than the s9.

You don’t have to accept it but you can’t keep feigning ignorance that its not happening just because you choose not to read Samsung’s profit warning on lowered guidance for the quarter. It’s the second time since January that they have issued a warning.


Sure they are, I’m sure you will keep using your galaxy buds when they finally ship and you receive them.

The features you mention are subjective. I can do more with an iPhone than i could with a galaxy device within apples ecosystem, much more.

I put more emphasis on the quality of the device, components used, support, and ecosystem over one or two Samsung features not found on an iPhone.

Why would i compromise? For some free mediocre headphones.
I’m good.

Can I see some proof?
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The only numbers released so far paints a very bad picture for the s10 and those numbers show the s10 doing worse than the s9 in pre sales out of Korea, Samsung’s home market.

Samsung came out and released a statement about 1q 2019. It’s not good.


If I’m going to spend 1k on a phone and the phone loses 70% of its value in 5 months that’s not good value or a good deal, no matter how you try to spin it. I would wait 5 months, that would be better value.

Freebies are worthless. getting stuff for free that Samsung couldn’t sell doesn’t really increase value. If you sell it right away you take a hit because everyone else that preordered are doing the same. Sell the freebies used, good luck with that.

The iPhone X was selling for around £750 when the iPhone Xs launched, some were getting £800 or £850. Much more than what Samsung was offering as a trade in value.

That s9 is way over priced.
S9 are going for £200-300 on gumtree

You can already find an s10e for £500 and s10+ for £620, value sinks like a rock.

After a quick search here is what I found for unlocked phones...

Gumtree has a good condition s9 plus for 350 and a good condition iphone x for 450. Links below:
https://www.gumtree.com/p/iphone/iphone-x-silver-64gb-unlocked-/1334703900
https://www.gumtree.com/p/samsung/-...ke-the-perfect-mothers-day-present/1334689055

Yes you can cherry pick and find an S9 for cheaper with scratches, but lets compare apple to apples please.
The S9 retail price was 869...now selling for 350 that is 60% loss in value. The iphone x retail price on release was 999 and now selling for 450, that is 55% loss in value. iPhone X you lost 549 and S9 plus you lost 519. So please explain how the iPhone has so much better of a resale value. The numbers dont lie.

I see S10 Plus for 675 and iphone xs max for 695. Links below:
https://www.gumtree.com/p/samsung/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-128gb-green/1334680382
https://www.gumtree.com/p/iphone/iphone-xs-max-64gb-gold-unlocked-3-months-old-like-new/1334706845

The s10 plus retail price is 899, loss of 25% value, 224. iPhone XS Max Loss of 37% value and 404.

Freebies worthless lmao. Who said samsung couldn't sell the buds? You do realize it was released at the same tine as the S10...its not like they tried to sell the buds first and couldn't sell it then decide to give it away for free which you're implying. I mean if you're going to argue a point, please use facts rather than opinion.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

There is no doubt Samsung has shown Apple up by providing a very good package at a competitive price and thrown in extras that us iPhone users stupidly have to pay extra for. There is a reason the XR and older iPhones are selling much better than the premium line iPhones. Consumers want value for money and a good experience. The S10 looks like a great phone and the only negative for me is it’s Android software. The gap is closing though and whatever your smartphone needs, you’re going to get the job done whatever phone you buy.

I think this era of £1k+ phones will be short lived and Apple is riding the wave while it can. The XR line is their future and the price point that is attractive to the mainstream market.

 

[torana355]

Some consumers are looking for quality others features nothing wrong with that.

Again that depends on the user, I believe that aamsung is shortchanging users with the quality of the s10 over the Xs. Aluminum vs SS, 8nm soc vs 7nm with an npu, ufs 2.1 vs nvme, 3D facial recognition vs 2d etc etc. Not even to mention the iOS ecosystem: IMessage, FaceTime, iCloud, etc, etc.

The only thing I want from iOS 13 is a dark mode and the ability to use the second sim/esim with IMessages and FaceTime. Don’t really want or need a refreshed GUI, don’t think a lot of iOS users want one either. Why mess with what works and alienate the majority of users who prefer iOS the way it is.

The S10 has a 7nm cpu and a NPU....Also even with UFS 2.1 the S10 opens Apps faster and beats the iPhone in speed tests. The S10 offers better value on the hardware front, that is pretty much a fact, have a look at ANY review even the Apple Bias reviewers are giving the edge to the S10, just accept it and enjoy your phone.

 

[Abazigal]

Guess we agree to disagree.

You’re happy with your iPhone and at the end of the day that’s all that matters. If it works for you then what you spend on apple is worth it to you. Sadly for me I have got sick of what i feel is apple short changing with little features for the price when my S10’s plus can do so much more. I still love my iPad so that’s not changing but everything else i can get for a better price with more worthwhile features.

Hopefully apple improves and surprises me but i don’t see that happening anytime soon.

I hope they knock it out the park with IOS 13 as a refresh is badly needed.

For me, it’s all about the ecosystem.

I don’t live in the US, but looking at the slew of services that Apple is set to release (eventually), I feel there is no better time to lock yourself voluntarily in the Apple ecosystem.

Apple card. Exclusive games via Apple arcade. News service. More video streaming options. Just wished they were available here in Asia.

 

[FFR]

The S10 has a 7nm cpu and a NPU....Also even with UFS 2.1 the S10 opens Apps faster and beats the iPhone in speed tests. The S10 offers better value on the hardware front, that is pretty much a fact, have a look at ANY review even the Apple Bias reviewers are giving the edge to the S10, just accept it and enjoy your phone.

The snapdragon is 7 nm and isn’t that just for the states. The Samsung chip which is used everywhere else is 8nm. Didn’t know the Samsung processor had an npu, how many cores is it? With an Increase in price over the s9 and they couldn’t even add ufs 3.1, tsk tsk.

First round the iPhone usually wins, the second round of opening simple apps goes to the galaxy because of the extra ram not the processor.

Throw anything at it a bit more intensive then opening apps and keeping them in memory again due to ram and not the processor, say processing a 4K file and it falls flat. Like pathetically slow, it’s in the same videos you mentioned. That’s unacceptable from a 1k phone, but Samsung customer don’t seem to mind in fact some are boasting about it.

Aluminum is not Better than steel, ufs is not better than nvme, both are cheaper but not better value, you wouldn’t say that steel timepieces offers better value than gold, it doesn’t its jut cheaper.

I’m sure some of the Samsung paid reviewers feel that way but not all, didn’t everyone give the edge to the s9 last year as well. What a terrible phone, no one bought that either but if a Samsung consultant or Samsung employee tells you it’s the best, I guess that’s all you need.

Are you enjoying your phone?
What color did you get?

 

[Jimrod]

Aluminum is not Better than steel, ufs is not better than nvme, both are cheaper but not better value, you wouldn’t say that steel timepieces offers better value than gold, it doesn’t its jut cheaper.

I always hate these binary, one-sided arguments. "Better" is subjective. Steel is stronger and tougher than aluminium but also a lot heavier, contributing to the relative heft of the X/XS etc. That weight is a negative in a hand-held device. The plastic back of the 3G was better than both - light, tough, shock-absorbent, can be any colour and most importantly allows signal to pass through so no need for antenna bands, windows or any of that troublesome stuff. If by better people mean "seems more premium" then sure.

 

[FFR]

I always hate these binary, one-sided arguments. "Better" is subjective. Steel is stronger and tougher than aluminium but also a lot heavier, contributing to the relative heft of the X/XS etc. That weight is a negative in a hand-held device. The plastic back of the 3G was better than both - light, tough, shock-absorbent, can be any colour and most importantly allows signal to pass through so no need for antenna bands, windows or any of that troublesome stuff. If by better people mean "seems more premium" then sure.

Stronger and tougher is better, better constructed device compared to aluminum. And it’s more expensive if Samsung wants to use a weaker cheaper metal so be it, but they should price accordingly instead of shortchanging their customers.

Nvme is better than ufs 2.1 and is also more expensive.


Sure plastic was better at weight reduction but not durability. If I had a car constructed from plastic I wouldn’t go around saying it was better then a car constructed from steel. That’s just illogical, a car is also meant to protect its occupants which it would fail due to the plastic construction.

Maybe you would purchase a phone for over 1k if it was made with a plastic frame or chassis. I wouldn’t.






Btw, In the hand the polished stainless steel feels more premium and/or expensive compared to an aluminmium phone, must be the reason most Swiss timepieces are made from stainless steel, titanium or other precious metals and not aluminum.

 

[The Game 161]

For me, it’s all about the ecosystem.

I don’t live in the US, but looking at the slew of services that Apple is set to release (eventually), I feel there is no better time to lock yourself voluntarily in the Apple ecosystem.

Apple card. Exclusive games via Apple arcade. News service. More video streaming options. Just wished they were available here in Asia.

The apple ecosystem is so strong its hard to get out of even if you want to

Me I like both Samsung and apple. I was tied down to apple and the pull is hard to not stay with them that's for sure

 

[I7guy]

The apple ecosystem is so strong its hard to get out of even if you want to

Me I like both Samsung and apple. I was tied down to apple and the pull is hard to not stay with them that's for sure

How is it easier to get out of android?

 

[The Game 161]

How is it easier to get out of android?

You don't feel locked in for one.