How in the world could Samsung copy (or be inspired by) the Studio Display when the Studio Display was just announced last month? You think Samsung just magically created a look-a-like monitor overnight?
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Samsung's New 32-Inch 'M8' Display vs. Apple's Studio Display
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Because somehow Samsung designed and manufactured a copy-cat monitor in the one month since the Apple Display was announced? Maybe Apple copied Samsung, huh?
Yes, let's keep comparing 5k monitors to 4k monitors at "half the price" and pretend they are the same.
The comparisons should only be to 5K displays. There are tons of 4K displays out there, but 5K is rare, and I've yet to find a competitor that checks the same boxes for much cheaper. There's a Dell 5K display, but it's older, not much cheaper, and has way worse peripherals built in.
Seriously. And in this case it's particularly egregious because the large 32" display would have a very low ppi.
You need to drop down to around 24"/4k to get the same ppi as ~200ppi retina.
Monitor looks good. Like the price. Colours could have been brighter.
It's a niche product. Studio Display is 5K, which very few monitors do. Regular users don't need it.
It was similar with the older Cinema Display. Apple was selling a 2560x1600 30" display in 2004. The uncommon 16:10 aspect ratio too.
Yes, 24" @ 4k would give you ~200 ppi. But you actually need 21.5" to get retina (220 ppi) with 4k—that's why the last-gen 4k iMac was only 21.5".
I bought the M7 for just 250eur prior to the M8 release. It's brilliant.
As an external monitor, it offers incredible value for money, and moreover, it doubles as a decent TV.
It also accepts both USB-C and HDMI for inputs, and the USB-C connection will even charge the MacBook meaning no power adapter is needed.
What's not to like as a consumer / office grade monitor?
I do agree, as a pro, I would probably get something better, but for 99.9% of us, this is superb.
As an external monitor, it offers incredible value for money, and moreover, it doubles as a decent TV.
It also accepts both USB-C and HDMI for inputs, and the USB-C connection will even charge the MacBook meaning no power adapter is needed.
What's not to like as a consumer / office grade monitor?
I do agree, as a pro, I would probably get something better, but for 99.9% of us, this is superb.
You only truly need 220 ppi if you want to sit 16” or so from the screen. IMO, 16” is far too close for a large desktop screen. Ergonomic guidelines suggest >20” away.
I sit ~25” from the screen. Interestingly if you do the calculations, that works out to about 138 ppi, which is 4K 4096x2304 at 34”, or 4K 3840x2160 at 32”, which just so happens is the resolution and size of the M8.
Truthfully IMO 140 ppi is low actually, and my preference would probably be about 190-205 ppi, seated at about 24-25” away, but with a 5K resolution for more screen real estate. That works out to around a 29-31” 5K screen, and not 27”.
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Depends how good your vision is. My distance vision is 20/13, and I can read the microprinting on US currency, so I like things sharp. It also depends on your use cases. I vary position a lot. When I'm leaning back in my chair I'm at 20", but when I'm leaning forward on my elbows I'm at 14".
Apple did their own analysis of this, and decided that 220 ppi was needed to accommodate most people and most use cases.
The only reason I can tolerate the 160 ppi on my 27" 4k is that I've stuck with High Sierra, the last Mac OS to natively implement subpixel text rendering.* When I have to upgrade to a newer OS, I'll also need to upgrade my main external monitor to retina. [*But even there I can see the jaggies in the text when I need to display a large spreadsheet at 50% magnification so I can view it all at once.]
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Your post is a clear sign that it shouldn’t be taken seriously, because it’s unnecessary to disparage to use the adjective of ‘Overpriced Apple Studio Display’. Thats a failed attempt.
You can be neutral and objective in your wording and say something like “The M8 is Flicker free, does anybody know if the Apple studio display is flicker free or not?”
I know it’s difficult to be objective at times, but you’re making it a bit obvious that you’re purposely trying to show bias towards Samsung and disfavor Apple intentionally.
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I think Samsung missed a trick with this monitor, if they had supported 120hz+ and freesync premium, plus everything else it would have been a beast at that price.
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so, is apple studio flicker free or not? i guess it is not, as apple does not care about that, but not sure, so maybe somebody knows... and if it is not, sorry but that should not be acceptable for given price in 2022...
It’s flicker free as much as any 60hz panel is. some people can see the screen flicker/refresh when it is in their peripheral but that’s normally when they have a second display or light source refreshing at a different frequency next to them. I know a few people who are affected by this and they always buy 2 of the same monitor in their dual setups to avoid this effect.
Iirc, there is one other 5K display that's not basically an iMac display in some shape or form, and that's this one ilyama (
XB2779QQS-S1) that's discontinued as far as I know.
5K is a pretty specific Mac fetish that hasn't caught on anywhere else, really. So you kinda have to compare to 4K displays if you want to compare against anything at all.
Depends, 4k at that size is a deal-breaker for a lot of people on Macs as it is in the 'dead zone' for several kinds of work.
Macs draw images onto the chosen display dimensions at 1x or 2x (for HiDPI mode), then if those dimensions aren't the native dimensions of the display it will scale the output.
The ideal points per inch for Mac is ~110, which is what most graphics artifacts are designed for and what a fair bit of text is sized for. For HiDPI, a pixel is two points per dimension, which would make it 220 DPI.
The samsung is 140 DPI. That means:
- At native 1x, everything will be over 20% smaller than was intended
- At native 2x HiDPI, everything will be 60% larger than was intended
- To get things sized correct, you'll likely render to a 6k virtual display size then scale it down. But the display isn't retina, so there will be noticeable blurring. That also may utilize your graphics card more than a native resolution.
The frustrating thing is that Apple got out of the monitor market assuming that vendors would compete for higher quality retina displays on the high end, but instead all the profit margins have been in low resolution, moderate color quality, fast response/refresh gaming screens.
These are two totally different products for two totally different markets. Very weird comparison with a large misunderstanding about what kinds of monitors you have and what you can use them for. I can use the studio display for photo editing and video editing if I do that on that Samsung display I would get fired within a month because it all wouldn't look right.
I think the flickering they were referring to was about PWM strobing which apparently is more pronounced on Apple's MiniLED displays.
My most „con“ argument: it has WiFi.
I have a 1699€ 55“, that I got half the prize 12 months after release. Did connect it to Wi-Fi and got Ads in the Menu system?! Also with all those AI-picture enhancers, it is just for scanning your content and sending it to Samsung to be reviewed
*takes Alu-hat off*