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I can assure you life is perfectly possible without Google anything. And normally much better too.
how does anyone stay away from youtube? every review that’s been posted in this thread is from youtube
The issue here isn’t about not giving Google your data, but for these companies to be more transparent about when your data is being accessed, and for what reason.
That we can’t avoid surrendering our data to these companies doesn’t mean we should just give it up without a fight.
At least Apple offers an alternative, such as using Maps over google maps, iCloud mail over gmail, safari over chrome, and using DuckDuckGo in place of google search. So you can still limit your exposure to google services to some extent.
Seriously, you believe what you have written do you? Can you cite evidence for your assertion? I suspect Apple sells more products by peer pressure than any other brand, but that's just my opinion.
I would argue that the Apple brand stands for something beyond simply being a shiny logo.
I had given this matter some thought when it came up in a discussion some time ago, and in a nutshell, I believe the entire argument can be summed up with one word - trust.
We Apple users buy Apple gear because we trust Apple, and I think that this is one of the really important aspects of Apple that people really don't understand. That Apple really goes the distance in building trust relationships with their customers.
This doesn't mean that Apple is perfect or beyond reproach. Far from it, but Apple has been very good in the areas that I do care about, while I find I can still tolerate the areas in which they are weak in. Their relatively few competitors are the inverse, and I think you will find that while a lot of Apple users may struggle to articulate this point, it will nevertheless come out along this line if you poke them the right way.
It's the same as how people connect with their babysitter or hairdresser. I don't evaluate them solely on objective metrics. Instead, we connect based on how well we communicate, whether we trust them to be truthful and fair with us, how well we approach a given problem, and so on. That doesn't mean I am a cultist to the 40-year-old lady down the street who cuts my hair out of her apartment; it just means that my mom and I trust her and have built a rapport with her, and that's about 90% of what we're buying as part of that service.
To sum it all up, Apple users buy trust, not specs. Which is embodied in that Apple logo you all so like to poke fun at.
It’s OS AND business model preference. I think Google’s business model of surveillance capitalism is damaging the world beyond all recognition. Apple has a much better business model of make product, sell for money.
I pray one day google and Facebook will go out of business so we can move away from surveillance capitalism. Sadly, too many people are completely clueless about the long term implications of these business models and there is very little government regulation to control them (luckily we have started in the EU with GDPR). People need to start understanding that their personal information is just as valuable, if not more so, than money, and that they shouldn’t be freely giving it away to companies like google and Facebook who use that data to manipulate what you think and what you do.
Sadly it’s likely going to be too late before the sheep realise what has happened to them. I’ll enjoy my ‘told you so’ though.
I find this type of throwaway comment offensive, it implies people do not have any control over their actions.
Let me state for the record I do not subscribe to either FB or Twitter, or any other such platform as I have zero interest in global digital gossiping.
I do however use as many of Google's apps as possible, simply because they are 'the best' out there. However, anyone who knows me would refer to me as a 'sales person's worst nightmare'. I do not impulse buy nor do I buy anything I can't afford to pay for in cash. I haven't altered my spending habits throughout my lifetime (and I'm now retired).
My political views have never changed nor has my lifestyle or purchasing habits. Anyone selling on my information will be wasting their time. Why is that? well it's all about self-will and self-discipline. If you have neither then you may well get sucked in by slick advertising and fake news. However, those same people would be just as vulnerable in the non-internet age.
I say to Google et-al, bring it on, let's have more of your excellent apps please.
iOS is mainly better for:-
1-Privacy
2-The closed walled garden. I used operating systems like Windows where anything goes on, things became very messy if you are not extra careful.
3-I find it easier to navigate menus and settings.
Its personal preference, some people find Windows too restrictive and opt to build their own Linux flavor.
If you don't believe that iOS is better or a walled garden approach(MacOS), why are you even on these forums?
Anyone with half a brain can’t compare software updates between iOS and android. There is no argument
Trust or gullibility? I know many (especially teenagers) buying into the apple hype and cool marketing. If anyone does any value for money comparisons, then they will certainly know how bad apple products are. You are definitely paying for the logo...no matter how you spin it[
And different people are going to value different things differently.
I believe there people are attracted to apple products due to something intangible that is found with using these devices. Be it holding an iphone in one’s hands, wearing a watch on the wrist or using AirPods in our ears.
I can’t distill this “value” and quantify it the same way you would say, compare 4gb of ram to 8gb, but it exists. Just because it can’t be measured doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter. It’s there, it can be felt, and it justifies the premium for the right people.
That is your opinion, on your particular device and version of Android. Anecdotal.
Nope.
iPhone profit margin is the highest.
So you are paying for the logo as simple as that.
Because I run Windows. MacOS, iOS and Android and I simply don't buy into all this Apple great, everything else is bad or a mess type posts.
It might fool those who don't know any better. However, for the more well informed we know this to be a great over simplification.
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You are going to claim you have an understanding of the buying mindset of 80 million iphone buyers?
Only if you look at it strictly as a “profit = price - cost of materials”.
Let me use an analogy. I go to a restaurant. The price of a meal there is a lot higher than the cost of the ingredients that go into the dish I order. I am paying for the chef’s care in putting all these ingredients together in a manner which affords me a great dining experience, over and above what I would otherwise normally get at say, a typical eatery. Amongst other things of course.
Same with Apple. I am not paying for specs. I am paying because I trust Apple to put these specs together in a manner which gives me a great user experience. I am paying for the care, time and energy which the people at Apple spend in refining their products. Over and beyond what other companies can and do offer.
All these factors are not captured in the base cost of apple products, but that doesn’t mean they should be discounted so readily. They all have a tangible impact on the user experience afforded by the product, even if they themselves are intangible.
I value this element of care that goes into the creation of Apple products that I currently own and use, and so I willingly pay a premium for this signature Apple experience that I simply can’t get in any other product.
That’s what the Apple logo represents. Am I paying for a logo? Depends on how you want to look at it. Yes, but in the sense that the logo is a representation of the values at Apple which drove me to use their products (and keep using them) in the first place.
Maybe you perceived that only.
Fact is apple is not spending any extra money (hence huge profit margin) to give you anything tangible.
Apples margins have been shown (on various threads on MR) to be relatively consistent over time. This means their phones aren't as "dirt cheap" to make as some believe. Apple sells in a different space then the Samsung $50 phone, of which it is to be expected it will see more than a $1,000 like the Galaxy or iphone.Maybe you perceived that only.
So basically another FUD post.
When I buy a product, I don’t really think so much about how much it cost to make, only whether it is of value to me.Maybe you perceived that only.
I will put it this way. I would rather spend more on a product that I want and which I know will work well for me, then spend less on a product which won’t meet my needs as well.
Think of it like this. I give a block of wood to two people, and asks them to make me a carving of a cat. One spends 5 minutes making a lousy job of it. The other takes 1 whole day to make an extremely realistic carving. On paper, the cost of materials for both craftsmen is the cost of that block. In reality, one product is worth more than the other, because more time and effort has been spent crafting a superior result.
Apple is spending their time, money and resources to improve their products in areas that are not captured if you just look at it as myopically as you are. If you don’t care for it, then don’t buy it. I do, and so I buy them.
It’s that simple.
As everybody values things differently and has preferences on the OS they like, it’s not purely down to the logo alone.
If the product was not up to par then no amount of branding will make up for it in any case. Also, not everybody buys the latest most expensive iPhone, so the cost is very different depending on what the consumer chooses.
Horses for courses.
How many Galaxy users you think give a damn? I sure don't. And I sure wouldn't have wanted an update to Pie before Samsung was finished with One UI. iOS is so damn boring, it's understandable why users crave for updates.
Don't get me wrong, there is a limit to everything, and I wouldn't complain about more timely updates. But most Android users only get tight about updates, if they don't get updated before the next gen model is released. That's understandable to complain about.