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... The Note 7 looked nothing like an iPhone, offered a load of features that the iPhone 7 lacked and would have legitimately taken a bite out of the ~meh iPhone 7's sales if it hadn't been for that one teeny weeny problem. ...
Coulda Shoulda Woulda
Bottom line it didn't.
Their innovation got away from them, they don't even understand it, thus the total recall.
if it hadn't been for that one teeny weeny problem...
You say teeny weeny, the world says explosive.
Samsung agreed and pulled it.
 
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http://abc30.com/news/fresno-woman-...ed-and-caught-on-fire-in-her-bedroom/1543292/

I note it was charging - I wonder if a genuine charger was used.

"Estrada said the worst part of all this is not the phone, it's replaceable, she said it is the pictures on it. The memories of her kids and a recent promotion are all lost and they were not backed up."

Well she's learnt this lesson the hard way.

I posted my original message "on the fly".

A. I did find it somewhat strange she decided not to back up her "precious memories" in any way, shape or form. B. If her iPhone 6 was second-hand was it a replacement battery, I wonder? C. I also think she was likely using a knock-off charger.

In the video she said she was glad she didn't have her phone on charge underneath the pillow. I know some sleeping aid apps suggest the best position is underneath the bed sheets whilst plugged into the mains but surely, with an unofficial charger, that's dangerous?
 
What a shame. Guess this what happens when you actually innovate with a product and push the boundaries.
No, that is what happens if you are so used to copying stuff that you forget to build stuff yourself that works and doesn't explode.
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Guess this is a case of a Samsung device blowing the iPhone out of the water, literally. :p
We saw one picture of a Note 7 that was a MacBook killer. Literally. Don't leave a Note 7 lying on your MacBook :-(
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Original article:
http://abc30.com/news/fresno-woman-...ed-and-caught-on-fire-in-her-bedroom/1543292/

I note it was charging - I wonder if a genuine charger was used.

"Estrada said the worst part of all this is not the phone, it's replaceable, she said it is the pictures on it. The memories of her kids and a recent promotion are all lost and they were not backed up."

Well she's learnt this lesson the hard way.

All you have to do is go to "Settings" and turn "Backup" on. There is really no excuse not to have a backup. Your phone can be lost, stolen, dropped from height, die because of normal wear out, or die much too early which is probably the rarest case. In any case a backup makes this absolutely painless.
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I think they are missing a zero there, 2.8B seems too low. This is a phone that sells 10s of million at $800 a pop.
It depends how you count this. They might be optimistic and assume that anybody who cannot by a Note 7 buys a Galaxy 7, so there wouldn't be that much loss from not selling. Or they might just count the cost of the actual recall and not count lost sales at all. (That's parts they have purchased that can't be used, all the cost of building a Note 7, selling it to you, taking it back, refunding the money, and getting rid of it in a safe way). The "tens of millions" might also be a bit high.

However, look at this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/1...s_death_note_7_could_still_cause_a_contagion/ with a claim "According to the latest analyst guesstimates, the Note 7 fiasco could cost Samsung almost $17bn." That would include lost sales of the Note 7 and possibly lost sales of other phones. (And someone posted that his dad is refusing to buy a Samsung TV because of this, which I think isn't quite reasonable, but it happens).
 
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You should follow your own advice.
Competition can continue even without Samsung.
Look at all the mobile device makers that have come and gone.
The game is still going on without them.

You want a tech giant to close its doors because of crap quality control on a product. Apple iPhone 4 and the antennae design. The 5 with faulty batteries and lock/wake buttons, the iPhone 6 with a faulty logic board design that caused he infamous touch disease, and don't forget people bending their iPhone 6/6 Plus with little to no effort. And that's just iPhones. Don't even start on the Mac line.

Apple did the right thing and handled the issues, just like Samsung is doing. Doesn't mean they deserve to go out of business. Mistakes happen and they did right by the consumer and scrapped the entire device.

So what advice should I follow again? Please tell me more. :rolleyes:

Oh, and before you even say it, I get that some people got hurt from this whole Note 7 thing vs a bending iPhone. Samsung will compensate those people accordingly and do what's right by their customers. Don't demonize the company because of a quality control mistake. Live and learn. :apple:
 
I had already picked a iPhone 7 Plus over a Note 7 before the they started blowing up but I pray that 2017 will be a good year for smartphone design and features. I have this messed up feeling that Apple will keep the same old iPhone 6 design yet again because they want to play it safe. We need Samsung to kick the competition in gear. I for one will not buy a iPhone 7S Plus if it looks exactly the same.
 
Royal Mail in the UK, and its subsidiary ParcelForce, are refusing to carry the defective phones as defective batteries are included in their prohibited items list.

The US Postal Service is too lazy to carry a lot of stuff. Most guns, all tobacco, alcohol, most hazardous materials. FedEx got it's start in part because they were willing to overnight radioactive materials.

This gives me an idea. I think I am going to stamp "caution - defective lithium battery" on all the packages I ship now.

We receive hazmat at work all the time, and there's specific paperwork that goes along with it. Look at the video, that's why there's a pouch with documents outside certifying proper packaging. If they catch you without the paperwork, they will bill you a huge hazmat charge, open the package to inspect it, and they are required by law to report you to the DOT for improper shipment of hazardous materials which comes with a $75,000 fine.

See this: http://www.shippingsolutions.com/blog/dot-increases-penalties-for-non-compliance-hazmat-shipping
 
Yes, because while other phone makers have been making money hand-over-fist, Apple have been stuck on the poverty line, struggling to scrape together the odd billion for an acquisition while their executives don't know where their next share option package is coming from. I'm sure that the gold level in their Scrooge McDuck swimming pools is a good eighth-inch lower than it should have been without all of this copying. I cry bitter, salty tears for them while they play the thinnest, lightest violins on the market.

There may have been cases in the past where true innovators have failed to profit from their work because of copycats, but Apple certainly isn't one of them - the iPhone has given them a license to print money.

I don't forgive Samsung the iPhone-wannabe design of the early Galaxy phones and tabs (nor the far more blatent fake iPhones being churned out by less reputable makers, which might have been what Ives was talking about) or the Fandroids who try and insist that you can't make a phone without making it the exact shape of an iPhone or that the development of Android didn't take a U-turn away from blackberry-a-like when the iPhone was announced. However, if anything, Samsung only started to eat into Apple's profits when they stopped making iPhone clones and started offering things that Apple didn't, like larger screens, styluses, curved displays, better batteries, SD card slots... The Note 7 looked nothing like an iPhone, offered a load of features that the iPhone 7 lacked and would have legitimately taken a bite out of the ~meh iPhone 7's sales if it hadn't been for that one teeny weeny problem... and Apple would be hugely complacent to think that couldn't have happened to them.

I've got Macs, and an iPad Pro so I'm hardly an Apple hater, but I bought a Note 2 years ago not because it looked a bit like a stretched iPhone Mk1 but because the iPhone 5 had just come out and left me completely cold - I didn't like the small, narrow screen and Apple had just dropped the ball by forcing a half-finished Maps app downgrade onto everybody because of what Google told our Sandra about Tim's mum. The "phablet" idea was a game-changer, and Apple were a couple of years behind the pack on that one.

I will agree with you that the Note 7 seemed to stray from the "copying" theme & I was hoping, mark a time that Samsung was (finally!) planning to do their own designs...
Sadly, w/ this epic fail; I'm not sure that's what will happen.
The last time I was seriously mystified by how any consumer could reward blatant copying & complete lack of integrity, whilst slapping their customers in the face, was the S6.
Not only was it a carbon copy of the iPhone 6/6S in look, jack placement, etc.
But they even went so far as to COMPLETELY neuter their own apologists' ability to defend them by saying things like: "Hey! What choice did they have?? It simply HAD to be designed like this to give us the features we've come to expect as Samsung Android users."; quite to the contrary- the three features (benefits!) that set previous versions apart & allowed S5 users to gloat over iPhone users, were removed with no reason or explanation.
That's right!!!! Literally NOT A SINGLE Android user was clamoring to Samsung & saying: "Please, please.... take away the waterproof ability you gave us in S5 in the next iteration... also, we are tired of having expandable storage; please take away the SD card slot.... oooh, & that removable battery, handy though it may be- remove it as well?!".
No.... these were CLEARLY design choices made to facilitate their phone looking more like an iPhone, at the expense of utility to their users.
I was literally embarrassed for them.
 
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You want a tech giant to close its doors because of crap quality control on a product.
The reason are many, firebombs being one of them.:p
Apple iPhone 4 and the antennae design. The 5 with faulty batteries and lock/wake buttons, the iPhone 6 with a faulty logic board design that caused he infamous touch disease, and don't forget people bending their iPhone 6/6 Plus with little to no effort. And that's just iPhones. Don't even start on the Mac line.
Yes I see the similarities. All life threatening. :rolleyes:

You haven't shown any reason here why you shouldn't follow your own advice.
You just compounded the reason why you should.
 
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Would like nothing more than to see Samsung close its doors.
Careful what you wish for. You realize, that would be one fewer supplier for Apple to source parts from? While many of those said parts are of excellent quality, many people on the other hand do believe Samsung's business antics haven't always been impeccable, to put it mildly, but that is however a totally separate issue.
 
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Nah.
Only geeks think this way.
General public, not so much.
Blackberry used to be an important player. Not so much now.
Palm used to be an important player. Does not exist.
Nokia used to be an important player. Does not exist.
Something always fills the vacuum.
May not be a something you like, but it will get filled.

I don't think you got my post at all.
And the part about geeks/general public does not seem to fit to anything i posted..

I'm not saying they will always be important. And i don't have any personal connection/affection to or with samsung.
I'm just saying they are currently advancing technology. And as long as they do that, they are good for the consumer and i don't see why anyone would want the company to die. They also help pushing Apple forward. Competition is good.

If they stop being important they will obviously disappear like all the manufacturers you listed. So be it. But that time is not here yet and i'm just asking why anyone would profit from them closing down right now. I don't think anyone has given a good reason yet. Except "personal hatred against the company"
 
I don't think you got my post at all.
And the part about geeks/general public does not seem to fit to anything i posted..

I'm not saying they will always be important. And i don't have any personal connection/affection to or with samsung.
I'm just saying they are currently advancing technology. And as long as they do that, they are good for the consumer and i don't see why anyone would want the company to die. They also help pushing Apple forward. Competition is good.

If they stop being important they will obviously disappear like all the manufacturers you listed. So be it. But that time is not here yet and i'm just asking why anyone would profit from them closing down right now. I don't think anyone has given a good reason yet. Except "personal hatred against the company"
Nah
I get what you're saying.
There is nothing special about your post.
It's not even an original comment.
Your just regurgitating what has been been parroted over and over and over by supposed technology agnostic people on this forum for years.

If Samsung mobile was to close up shop today, the vacuum would be picked up by another player.
No player is that important, including Apple.
Technological advances will not cease because of a Samsung or Apple not being in the game anymore.
The game is too big now.
 
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Nah
I get what you're saying.
If Samsung mobile was to close up shop today, the vacuum would be picked up by another player.
No player is that important, including Apple.
Technological advances will not cease because of a Samsung or Apple not being in the game anymore.
The game is too big now.

And yet you reply with the same thing again. Let me break it down:

I'm saying: there is no advantage in samsung closing.

you are replying: someone else will pick it up.


My argument still stands: there is no advantage.
Someone else can come around even if samsung continues.

Yes, advancement will continue even without Samsung or Apple and this was never my point.

My question is still the same: why would you want them to close and what kind of advantage would this bring to the consumer?
 
And yet you reply with the same thing again. Let me break it down:
I'm saying: there is no advantage in samsung closing.
you are replying: someone else will pick it up.
My argument still stands: there is no advantage.
Someone else can come around even if samsung continues.
Yes, advancement will continue even without Samsung or Apple and this was never my point.

My question is still the same: why would you want them to close and what kind of advantage would this bring to the consumer?
You moved the goal post.
You never said anything about "there is no advantage."
So your argument may be able to "sit down" but it can't "still stand" because it was never argued.

You also said "I don't think you got my post at all".
It appears you don't even understand your own post.

In any regard, what you have is an opinion.
I have a different one.

i don't think apple users would profit from this.
samsung is a very important player that helps pushing technology forward.

what would you gain if they had to close?
you don't have to buy their products.

I don't think you got my post at all.
And the part about geeks/general public does not seem to fit to anything i posted..

I'm not saying they will always be important. And i don't have any personal connection/affection to or with samsung.
I'm just saying they are currently advancing technology. And as long as they do that, they are good for the consumer and i don't see why anyone would want the company to die. They also help pushing Apple forward. Competition is good.

If they stop being important they will obviously disappear like all the manufacturers you listed. So be it. But that time is not here yet and i'm just asking why anyone would profit from them closing down right now. I don't think anyone has given a good reason yet. Except "personal hatred against the company"
 
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And yet you reply with the same thing again. Let me break it down:

I'm saying: there is no advantage in samsung closing.

you are replying: someone else will pick it up.


My argument still stands: there is no advantage.
Someone else can come around even if samsung continues.

Yes, advancement will continue even without Samsung or Apple and this was never my point.

My question is still the same: why would you want them to close and what kind of advantage would this bring to the consumer?
You seem to be forgetting the "advantage" of people being safe from potential smartphone bombs. People would want them to potentially close because they have proven to be negligent and irresponsible. Customers wouldn't have to worry that Samsung may make another explosive device and then not do their due diligence to fix it. People might not have to worry about the safety of loved ones holding a Samsung device. Those are pretty huge advantages I think.

You also claim that Samsung is pushing technology forward and driving Apple forward. Recalling the same phone twice for mass safety concerns is a huge step backward. If anything, they are pulling technology back. Apple doesn't have time for that.
 
Certainly the worst recall instructions and procedures I can recall in recent history


Scary part is someone actually has to handle the transport of these packages then someone has to open them


Whelp Samsung y'all tried and failed epically

That's an interesting point about the employees who have to open all these defective phones. Extreme caution and hopefully no surprises when they open the boxes. I'm sure UPS has been advised of the situation.
 
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The reason are many, firebombs being one of them.:p

Yes I see the similarities. All life threatening. :rolleyes:

You haven't shown any reason here why you shouldn't follow your own advice.
You just compounded the reason why you should.

Sounds like I really hit a nerve. If a random stranger can upset you this much, then I truly am sorry.
 
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