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Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S10 Smartphone to Feature Infinity-O Display With Hole Punch Cutout
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Lol due to the notch on the iphone...the iphone is completly asymmetrical imo...geez
The nerve of you guys to even try and discuss other phones with a more beautiful and symmetrical design.
What's with this obsession with symmetry? Symmetry is OK when it does not interfere with function. Do you complain that iPhone back side cameras are not in the center? As far as the hole/notch are concerned, the center is the most valuable part of the screen. Why would you want an obstruction to be in the worst place (center)?
Throwing in the towel in using any iris and or face recognition all together. If true they are admitting they could not get it right. And that's why they had both. In my case I would rather have the notch and the associated cameras to go with it. Apple implemented and adopted its hardware and users to face recognition that works and was way more secure to begin with. And is committed to improving the technology. Samsung if true would be eliminating the feature all together. So Apple eliminated the fingerprint scanner as its facial tech was far superior. It did not need a backup other than a password. I've been using a fingerprint scanner since the 5s, it seems old and dated now even if it is behind the screen. The hole is a cosmetic choice and makes a difference in the look of the two phones. It is not innovative or ground breaking. Just a different approach with compromises IMHO. Thats is a good thing though. Samsung has really over the last two cycles has stepped up the build quality and materials, and developed their own design language. I prefer iPhone's design language and features someone else may prefer Samsung's but at least they no longer look alike.
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We don't know if they were. They may have been doing this which is grossly irresponsible. That is why Smart Unlock with Android is so good. Maybe Apple should be enforced by Governments to include it
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You may not be doing this. But picking up ones phone to unlock it whilst driving should be an offence, everywhere.
Edit: Or turning ones face to a phone to unlock it.
I’m not picking up the phone at all. It stays on the car dock. It’s called Bluetooth. It’s this crazy new thing. Lots of hands free voice commands as well. High tech stuff.
If this was remotely based of facts or logic why has Apple fitted inferior fingerprint scanner on their flagship laptops
no one is denying the Apple facial recognition is good but it's not the only answer or single option for someI think you do a disservice to Samsung's world leading OLED displays development that even Apple have to concede too
There are at least three regular posters on here that you should ask "How is the Apple cafeteria"
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Nothing beats a thick bezel
If this was remotely based of facts or logic why has Apple fitted inferior fingerprint scanner on their flagship laptops
Most likely Apple is using up their stock in fingerprint scanners this year and will introduce Face ID in the next revision. Tim is cost conscious you know. No it's not the only answer but theirs. Samsungs is different. Thats why we have choice between the two. I for one am glad they are different.
First of all, you do realise that Samsung introduced Iris scanning 6 months before Apple released a phone with Face ID?
Iris was an alternative to fingerprint scanning on the rear of the phone.
Apart from Apple telling us, have any independent test organisations such as UL verified that Face ID is more secure than Touch ID? I am genuinely asking as I don't know.
Have there been any instances where someone's phone has been maliciously hacked that used a fingerprint sensor for security? I don't know, I am genuinly asking.
What did Apple say about the security of Face ID with identical twins?
Facial recognition is by Samsung's own advice, a convenience and not a secure method of locking ones phone.
There were reports that Iris scanning could be defeated with a close up ir photograph with plain contact lenses over the eyes. Samsung then combined it with Photo recognition to eliminate this. Are people living in a James Bond or Mission Impossible world?
But what did Apple say about the security of Face ID with identical twins?
Iris scanning will be eliminated from S10 because it add no value and would complicate the screen of the new phone.
No towels being "thrown in"
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I think maybe people picked up on this non Bluetooth comment you madeI’m not picking up the phone at all. It stays on the car dock. It’s called Bluetooth. It’s this crazy new thing. Lots of hands free voice commands as well. High tech stuff.
"As someone who wears prescription sunglasses and regular glasses and also drives occasionally without them, Face ID has a pretty difficult time unlocking while I'm driving".
I think you do a disservice to Samsung's world leading OLED displays development that even Apple have to concede too[/QUOTE]
Their screen tech is the best out there. Putting a hole in a screen to mount a lesser camera as a cosmetic difference is quite different than engineering a cam that fills that hole that is just as capable as Apple's. If that were the case I would be praising them. It's not a disservice to point that out. There are tradeoffs in both systems. We then have to chose what's better for us. If you like a scanner, and a dot you have your choice. If you want face recognition you have a different choice it has a notch. That's where the tech is now.
Their screen tech is the best out there. Putting a hole in a screen to mount a lesser camera as a cosmetic difference is quite different than engineering a cam that fills that hole that is just as capable as Apple's. If that were the case I would be praising them. It's not a disservice to point that out. There are tradeoffs in both systems. We then have to chose what's better for us. If you like a scanner, and a dot you have your choice. If you want face recognition you have a different choice it has a notch. That's where the tech is now.
It’s getting a little annoying with you nitpicking my posts to suit whatever misguided idea you’re chasing while making a lot of assumptions. If the display went off, I would try to make the display go on by swiping up and trying to have Face ID recognize my face, often with glasses on, which seemed to only work half the time and was not safe to me and made using Face ID uncomfortable. To get around this, I turned the timer off that shuts the display off. I’ve since downgraded to an iPhone with the home button so that if the display happened to be off, I just touch the front of the phone with Touch ID, which works 100% of the time and is much safer. Please move on to another post to nitpick for no reason.
Their screen tech is the best out there. Putting a hole in a screen to mount a lesser camera as a cosmetic difference is quite different than engineering a cam that fills that hole that is just as capable as Apple's. If that were the case I would be praising them. It's not a disservice to point that out. There are tradeoffs in both systems. We then have to chose what's better for us. If you like a scanner, and a dot you have your choice. If you want face recognition you have a different choice it has a notch. That's where the tech is now.[/QUOTE]
For clarification, the small hole in the top right of the S10 screen is only for a selfie type camera. Some people apparently need a selfie camera. It's the only reason the hole is there. Samsung have a very secure in screen fingerprint sensor for security.
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For clarification, the small hole in the top right of the S10 screen is only for a selfie type camera. Some people apparently need a selfie camera. It's the only reason the hole is there. Samsung have a very secure in screen fingerprint sensor for security.[/QUOTE]
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I wasn't the person who originally picked up on your first post and called it illegal. However, as a warning, what you described regarding tampering with a dock mounted phone whilst driving, in the UK (you may not be from the UK) may well lead to a moving traffic violation. People in the UK have received fines for drinking from a lemonade can whilst stopped at traffic lights.
This is why Android phones are safe whilst driving. If correct security option is selected.
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There are at least three regular posters on here that you should ask "How is the Apple cafeteria"
Yea, I am sure. Except I wasn't talking about that, and doesn't make this "guy" and his "posts" any less of a coordinated attack on apple.
Sorry you misunderstood my point
It's Samsung's development of screen technology that has allowed the notches, cut-outs etc in the first instance, to suggest these achievements as purely cosmetic is an over simplification
What you do with them is a different point
and why Apple failed to give owners of iPhone the additional choice of fingerprint ID is a pure guess.Of the renders out there of the S10's the max version seems to imply facial recognition would still be there on the top model, but who knows even Apple may bring back fingerprint ID if under screen is a successes elsewhere.
It's always good to have choices to suit ones preferences.
Sorry, I did misunderstand..Sorry you misunderstood my point
It's Samsung's development of screen technology that has allowed the notches, cut-outs etc in the first instance, to suggest these achievements as purely cosmetic is an over simplification
What you do with them is a different point
Of the renders out there of the S10's the max version seems to imply facial recognition would still be there on the top model, but who knows even Apple may bring back fingerprint ID if under screen is a successes elsewhere.
It's always good to have choices to suit ones preferences.
And reading it again I fully agree with your point about Samsungs OLED tech.
Regarding the slot on the top S10 model. I understood this was to allow a standard and wide angle cameras for selfies. I expect Samsung will allow the top of the screen to be set to Notch off. This leaves that area where the hole or slot is to be dedicated to status info and not available for apps etc.
Thanks but I thought it was macdragonfl that misunderstood
However, you may be right and it's 2 cameras opposed to one camera and one Iris scan but we are all second guessing at this point
I prefer the asymmetrical cut out for the same reason you note especially with dual sim phones the data displayed at the top seems more squished by a central notch especially with scrolling carrier info on Android dual sim phones
Most IPhone users would not be aware or use to these additional features as it's all a bit new for them
FakeMeanwhile, if any iPhone users are wishing for the same effect, feel free to try my DIY hole-punch method:
You quoted my post but I'm certainly not obsessed with symmetry, merely pointing out that symmetry can be a good design point. I favor the right side placement of the hole over the left for reasons I did state. But I do agree with you, this hole right in the middle could distract more than not. Granted, given the width of the iPhones notch, it does look best in the middle, just super odd if that were to one side since some of the center would be affected anyways.
Incredibly ugly, and like the notch, a solution looking for a problem. I'll keep my current phone for another year since manufacturers are incapable of bringing up real innovations.
Handling your phone is ticketable in many jurisdictions. You can’t ticket people for turning their heads.We don't know if they were. They may have been doing this which is grossly irresponsible. That is why Smart Unlock with Android is so good. Maybe Apple should be enforced by Governments to include it
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You may not be doing this. But picking up ones phone to unlock it whilst driving should be an offence, everywhere.
Edit: Or turning ones face to a phone to unlock it.
I won't be ticketing anyone. The police do that
It's common sense that a person driving a car and attempting to use a face unlock system to open their phone, especially in the case where the OP stated one can often have issues, is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.
You may be a cop, I won’t know that so that’s why I said “you”.I won't be ticketing anyone. The police do that
It's common sense that a person driving a car and attempting to use a face unlock system to open their phone, especially in the case where the OP stated one can often have issues, is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.
But if you are not a cop “you” the royal you is a figure of speech.Not going to discuss distracted driving you can go to iihs, nhtsa and many other researchers to get additional information.
There isn’t really aren’t many circumstances that handling a phone whilst driving for purposes of reviewing information on the screen is acceptable. (Maybe a 911 call or navigation might be an exception)
All of this is related to using your phone whilst driving which related back to device unlock methods of android vs iOS. Again there probably is only a narrow sliver of circumstance where it is or should be legal to handle and look at your phone while driving regardless of the operating systems.