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Try to chat with your green bubble friends and you will lack almost all the features you’d get if it was a blue bubble. For example, a group chat with all members but one having an iPhone is a bad experience for everybody involved.
I despise group chat, so I'm not missing out on anything. That's not a bad experience for me whatsoever. As always, YMMV.
 
iMessage is literally the main reason I don’t switch to Android. All my friends and family use iPhone. Between FaceTime, being able to send large images, videos files, documents, whatever without file degradation, and not having to use the dumpster fire that is SMS, it’s not really a complicated choice. I’m happy to download and use third party apps for people, but it’s not as convenient as having it baked into the phone. RCS would be a horrible replacement for iMessage, but it would be nice if the iPhone used RCS in place of SMS, that way we can have both iMessage and RCS. But Apple enjoys the hate green text bubbles get.
 
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Does Apple switching to RCS mean iMessage will become obsolete, since you'd be able to contact Android users normally now?
 
Does Apple switching to RCS mean iMessage will become obsolete, since you'd be able to contact Android users normally now?
No the idea is you'd use iMessage still but fall back to RCS is my guess. Either way, apple should continue to green bubble them. iMessage has a lot of additional features that RCS doesn't and it would become stale pretty quickly
 
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If Apple adopted RCS, they could still force messages from Android users to be green so they should just do it. The iPhone would still have its snob appeal.
Supporting RCS is not just about flipping a switch on. It has to have carrier support, and since hardly any carriers around the world support it, Apple probably have to use Google’s own Jibe mobile platform. It’s the same story on Android, with majority of OEMs don’t actually support RCS on their default SMS app. Those that do, simply use Google Messages as their SMS app (even Samsung started to use Google messages as the default SMS app).

Just like having Google as the default search on iOS, Google should just pay Apple. Use the language Apple talks in, money.
 
At the end of the day Apple is choosing to do the profitable thing rather than the right thing.

We’d all be better-off if Apple supported RCS so that the old SMS standard could go away, but Apple chooses not to because they fear it would make it easier for folks to switch to Android, since the benefits of iMessage wouldn’t be exclusive to iPhones.

Really wish they’d make the right choice instead of the profitable choice here.
I can't recall ever hearing a single person make a phone purchase decision based on what text message app it comes with.
 
That key is encrypted and can only be decrypted by you at your end device, short of cracking the encryption.
Absolutely 100% not true. Provide some proof of that claim. Go search and see what you find. I'll wait.

The only way to make sure that iMessages can't be decrypted by Apple is by disabling iCloud Backup. And then good luck, because even if you disable it, 99% of your contacts have it enabled, because that's the default.
 
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I can't recall ever hearing a single person make a phone purchase decision based on what text message app it comes with.
You should probably get out more then.


Absolutely 100% not true. Provide some proof of that claim. Go search and see what you find. I'll wait.

The only way to make sure that iMessages can't be decrypted by Apple is by disabling iCloud Backup. And then good luck, because even if you disable it, 99% of your contacts have it enabled, because that's the default.
The default is off, actually.
 
I'm guessing I've been around a lot longer than you have. No need for your snark. You can keep that BS to yourself.
If you’ve been around longer, then you still need to get out more. iMessage is a big reason people purchase the iPhone, among other things. It’s also a reason older people have it because their children and grandchildren tell them to get it so they can communicate with them easier (FaceTime, etc.).

Acting like because you’ve never witnessed something means that must be the way of things is a form of “snark” (and arbitrarily bringing up your age as a failed attempt to exert some sense of superiority), so please spare me.
 
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The default is off, actually.
The default state of iCloud backup is on. When a user signs into iCloud, which is necessary to use iMessage, iCloud backup is enabled automatically. It is not possible to sign into iCloud on an iPhone or iPad without having iCloud backup not enabled by default. It must be turned off manually.
 
That key is encrypted and can only be decrypted by you at your end device, short of cracking the encryption.

If you mean that the backup is encrypted, it's true but AFAIK not end-to-end: Apple has the ability to decrypt the backup and thus access the iMessages key. This effectively breaks end-to-end encryption.
 
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The default state of iCloud backup is on. When a user signs into iCloud, which is necessary to use iMessage, iCloud backup is enabled automatically. It is not possible to sign into iCloud on an iPhone or iPad without having iCloud backup not enabled. It must be turned off manually.
No, iCloud back up is on by default, but you have to enable iMessage back ups manually. You have to manually enable iCloud backups for iMessage if you want your text messages backed up. Again, it’s off by default.

If you want your messages backed up and you don’t want to use iCloud, then you’ll need to do encrypted phone back ups on the computer.
 
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If you’ve been around longer, then you still need to get out more. iMessage is a big reason people purchase the iPhone, among other things. It’s also a reason older people have it because their children and grandchildren tell them to get it so they can communicate with them easier (FaceTime, etc.).

Acting like because you’ve never witnessed something means that must be the way of things is a form of “snark” (and arbitrarily bringing up your age as a failed attempt to exert some sense of superiority), so please spare me.
Get over yourself. You have a weird way of extrapolating info that doesn't exist. I bet you've never been accused of jumping to conclusions before… /s
 
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And what "OTHER" RCS would we be using? OF course we are using google's RCS. It's built into Android, a google product.

Of course I'm talking about the standard RCS protocol as described in its official specification.

Google is urging Apple to implement RCS: does it mean they expect Apple to implement the protocol as it's official specification describes it, or Google's own extended version?

If they are suggesting the former, it would mean no end-to-end encryption since it's not part of the official standard as far as I understand; if they are suggesting the latter, I can see why Apple would be reclutant to implement something which does not belong to the standard and is de-facto a proprietary extension.
 
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In reality, the real saboteur of RCS were the carriers. Instead of using the standard to replace SMS, the carriers were making it into an exclusive service. Some charged more money for it, some made it to only work within the same network, some even rebrand it to make it exclusive and used their own separate carrier app. It was all over the place. Apple’s iMessage actually could be seen as the better solution (at least for Apple devices), taking control of messaging into the OEM (Apple) instead of the carriers. So all iPhones use the same service regardless of the carriers.

It’s funny how Google pretended to be the savior now. Google only decided to support RCS after they themselves failed miserably so many times with their own countless messaging services.
 
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