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Scribd Abandoning Flash for HTML5

HLdan said:
For the record, Adobe has purposely NOT made certain pieces of their software for Mac forcing people to stick to Windows as well as make Flash run so crappy on OS X. If that's not picking a fight, I don't know what is? :rolleyes:
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Then why isn't there a Mac version of Flash Streaming Server for the Mac?

Could it be because Adobe hasn't bothered to optimize Flash for Mac OS X? They must have figured that they would have to rewrite Flash Streaming server to optimize it for Mac OS X so they decided not to.

Adobe is soooo lazy! They need to learn a lesson and get their act together. They can't ignore Mac OS X!
 
jeznav said:
Adobe will just port it's flash engine to HTML5. Actually they've already done this with the FGX format they were working on but never made or in the retail version. Flash will still exist in another form, without the proprietery player.
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Flash doesn't have to die. Adobe simply needs to re-write it and open source it. It'll become a truly open if they do. The can change their profit model by charging for the tools and support.

It's really the only alternative to compete wth HTML5 & h264 and at the sane time turn the PR mess around and look like heroes.
 
i feel sorry for adobe just losing so badly, but then again, all they did was make my devices lag! bring on html5
 
Has anyone noticed, that as present, there still are no software like Flash to build stuff on html5+javascript?

Has anyone put a thought on the fact that pretty much most of the time we encounter Flash (other than Youtube), it's banner ads? What's the quickest way to create a sweeeeet banner ad? Flash. And ad offices are about getting the job done quickly.

Only geeks like us really care if the banner's been made with Flash or HTML5+Javascript.

My point is, Flash is definitely not going to die. Not before there's a WYSIWYG software to make the same stuff Flash does without the need of Flash.
 
ThePixelDoc said:
WARNING: Highly flammable!

I was looking at the credits today within the Adobe software I have (about Photoshop, Bridge, Illustrator etc.) I noticed something possibly interesting, and am curious about.

PS, LR, for example is developed by mostly North American sounding people, with a sprinkling of Chinese and some Indian.

However, notice for example the Installer Team (AIR) and the Encoder Team: almost all Indian.... or the Core Quality Team: all Chinese. Almost all of IL is Core Engineered by Indian programmers.

So what's the Flash Team look like? Just curious.

Ya think there might be some small "communication" problems at Adobe, or possibly little United Nations Cliques aka Fiefdoms going on here?

Just an observation.... and still curious. :rolleyes:
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"North American sounding people"... LOL.

ThePixelDoc, the walled garden of apple isn't physically blocking people like Berlin, it only blocks code and development so you can actually leave your grandmother's dimly lit basement and meet interesting people of the world. though it's certainly best that you leave your machete at home.
 
ThePixelDoc said:
WARNING: Highly flammable!

I was looking at the credits today within the Adobe software I have (about Photoshop, Bridge, Illustrator etc.) I noticed something possibly interesting, and am curious about.

PS, LR, for example is developed by mostly North American sounding people, with a sprinkling of Chinese and some Indian.

However, notice for example the Installer Team (AIR) and the Encoder Team: almost all Indian.... or the Core Quality Team: all Chinese. Almost all of IL is Core Engineered by Indian programmers.

So what's the Flash Team look like? Just curious.

Ya think there might be some small "communication" problems at Adobe, or possibly little United Nations Cliques aka Fiefdoms going on here?

Just an observation.... and still curious. :rolleyes:
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Racist much?
 
Reed Rothchild said:
Racist much?
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What's racist about wondering if development groups scattered internationally across cultural and language divides may have some shared vision problems?

Seems a perfectly valid observation to me, with no racism implied. Unless you're looking for racism, of course.
 
LagunaSol said:
What's racist about wondering if development groups scattered internationally across cultural and language divides may have some shared vision problems?

Seems a perfectly valid observation to me, with no racism implied. Unless you're looking for racism, of course.
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You need to address that question to ThePixelDoc. Obviously he was just pointing out "shared vision problems". Yeah, right. I Wonder how many "little United Nations Cliques aka Fiefdoms" are at large in Cupertino, or are they all "North American" sounding people? It was a stupid post. Don't prolong the stupidity.
 
What's scribd? If I didn't know any better, I might think Apple was trying to manipulate the media into making it seem like flash was already dead in the water.

Oh, wait...
 
Who the heck cares about scribd ? LMAO at a CEO "throwing out 3 years of Flash development" to implement something that's not even an accepted standard yet. Preparing for a buyout by Steve ?
And LMAO@ the Apple fanbois getting a stiffy anytime some clown says something negative about Flash.
 
SEE... I knew it...

... my comment and curiosity about possible "communications problems" within Adobe would be misconstrued as racism. I purposely left it "open" to be interpreted, knowing full well that there would be some people that would disregard a possible problem, because it might appear "racist".

However, it doesn't have anything to do with race, but it does have something to do with software quality. The idea to ship certain programming services overseas is a good one IMHO. HOWEVER... you must also have other people involved that know what's going on, what should be done, and have the creative and knowledge capacity, to know if it can be done and to ask for it to be done in the first place.

Evidence is clear, that creative capacity and innovation, (mostly) comes from the freedom to think creatively, not from hard-disciplined by-the-book learning aka learning "by rote". It is why America is as strong as they are... or maybe "were" is the proper tense. Also the reason why an Engineer should never take the place of a Designer (my profession). They have to work together. If you have cultural, and in effect communication divides, that just makes the product or goal, all that more difficult to achieve... but not impossible.

On paper at least, I see a major divide at Adobe, and hence (again only on paper) the possibility that it's different software teams are not integrated enough to produce anything other than Mumbo-Jumbo-Soup. That's exactly what the majority of Adobe's products have become... in my humble and honest opinion.

Can they do anything to fix it? They better have started yesterday. I don't even know if the have to the second half of 2010, when supposedly Flash 10.1 should be finalized and shipping with products. Actually, I don't even think that Adobe can communicate the urgency of the situation to it's employees by the Q3-4, 2010!

But... as always... time will tell.

PS. I'm an American ex-pat living in Europe, and loving the cultural diversity East and West for over 20 years now. Get into a room with a rep. from every European and former East-Block country... more fun can't be had... but often, some of the nastiest spats due to misconceptions, cultural differences, and yeah, language barriers and misunderstandings. I personally consider myself a world citizen and love every minute of it. To hell with borders... in your head, or on land! Thankfully, no time for that :)
 
Thepixeldoc and Lagunasol - I apologise. I do understand your perspective and you're right, it's not a racist argument you're making, more of a cultural thing. I'm not sure if your premise is right though. It's easy for us outsiders to surmise that there may be some communication breakdown based on our own personal experiences of cultural and language differences, but very large companies like Adobe (and Apple) that rely on these products will be well used to those differences and will shift resources if needed. Personally, I don't see Flash in any danger across the board. Content providers will obviously try and monetize on any big new platform coming along (i.e. iPad) but it's still a niche and a very small proportion of their revenue stream. I can't see it hitting any significant threshold for a long time based on current and projected sales. But, still worth chasing after. An iPad user by definition has a reasonable amount of disposable income so should be monetized as much as possible :).
 
Well actually my comment was not specifically re: Flash development, at first anyway, but I did want to try and remain somewhat on topic. That's why I'm still curious about the Flash Team. Anyone?

And again, it's not about race at all. I think everyone has run across the problems associated with cliques within companies, and how many times they can hinder going forward. It's still an actual problem at MS, even after addressing it somewhat over the last year. Different divisions and teams failing to work together and share resources, info, tech developments, etc... and a truly visionary leader to pull it all together.

It will be interesting to watch the CS5 adoption rate. I think it's overall success is fully on the back's of the Photoshop Team. Also, the multitude of programs and the necessary resources to keep them all going forward seems to be thin at the moment.

Overall... Adobe has to get more focused IMO, and really, there is no reason why Flash and the plugin development can be taking this long (3 years!). It's not like it has to do anything new. It just has to be able to do what it does, more efficiently. To me... that means focus and editing the bloat out. But hey, if that particular bloat happens to be the entire China Team's focus, I'll bet they'll put up a fight... and probably start digging on the Indian Team's work.

Just a hypothesis... that's all.
 
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