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Scribd Abandoning Flash for HTML5
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The scribd reasoning doesn't make sense to me. They feel like in flash it's in a box? Are they talking about reflowing content? If so, it sound like lazy developing on their side vs adobe being lax. There are plenty of ways to resize the flash stage to reflow content with it.
Also, good luck preserving the integrity of the font's in the the print publications.
Again. I see the point of a lot of people moving to html5, especially for video, but this little mini-exodus is premature and will fade. There are still plenty of proper usages for flash.
Also, it cracks me up when people make it sound like adobe picked a fight with apple. Jobs is the one that got a bug up his ass and decided to try and kill off flash. From what I understand once Jobs decided he didn't like flash he wouldn't allow any help from apple's side when adobe was trying to remedy the issues.
I'm not saying flash doesn't have it's issues, I'm just saying that this isn't black and white.
Also, good luck preserving the integrity of the font's in the the print publications.
Again. I see the point of a lot of people moving to html5, especially for video, but this little mini-exodus is premature and will fade. There are still plenty of proper usages for flash.
Also, it cracks me up when people make it sound like adobe picked a fight with apple. Jobs is the one that got a bug up his ass and decided to try and kill off flash. From what I understand once Jobs decided he didn't like flash he wouldn't allow any help from apple's side when adobe was trying to remedy the issues.
I'm not saying flash doesn't have it's issues, I'm just saying that this isn't black and white.
you're absolutly right... RIM, Google, Cisco, Samsung, NBC, Paramount, nVidia, AMD, HTC, etc., etc., etc. are not at all profitable.
wow... the ignorance on these forums is truly unprecedented.
There are Adobe fanboys. These are typically the yutzes that run Photoshop and Premier on a PC. Oh and FWIW, there is this bizarre lunatic fringe that is all of a sudden learning to code in Flash cause Apple doesn't like it. Go figure!
I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe". I'm not even sure what that means. It can either mean that they want all Adobe products to die, as in "Die Photoshop! Die Lightroom! Die Illustrator! Die InDesign! Die Dreamweaver! Die Fireworks! Die Acrobat! Die After Effects! Die Premiere! (and 70+ more products, actually)", or that they actually believe that Adobe's business hinges on a free plugin.
Adobe was huge before they acquired Macromedia (and by extension, Flash) 5 years ago. Getting their hands on Flash wasn't even the primary reason why they shelled out 3.4 billion for MM. It was mostly out of fear that Microsoft would beat them to it and build some sort of 'Macrosoft' juggernaut that would take over the creative professionals universe and give Adobe the Netscape treatment. And then, 'Macrosoft' would have owned graphic design, desktop publishing and web design like they own word processing and spreadsheets today.
Hating on Adobe in general seems kind of... I dunno, hypocritical and uninformed? Your entire desktop has Adobe written all over it. The dock icons were drawn in Illustrator and touched up in Photoshop. Adobe's PDF format is all over your Mac as well. Your wallpaper probably came out of Photoshop too. Tons of the webpages you browse were made in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Photoshop and Flash. A fair share of your fonts are probably from Adobe, who incidentally created the postscript/type1 format as well as OTF (in collab w/ M$).
If Steve somehow manages to turn everyone against Flash and invade Poland while he's at it, the only thing that will happen is that Adobe will retool the Dreamweaver+Flash combo and make it the #1 authoring/design/development kit for HTML5/Canvas. They'll live.
DATA POINT:
My "wallpaper", which I call a desktop background and Apple occasionally refers to as the"background area of your screen", came out of Pixelmator.
RETURN TO RANT:
Flash must die! I don't care what happens to Adobe.
Scribd dumps Flash, now dating HTML5
Adobe must be taking this pretty hard.
First they're dumped by Apple
, and now Scribd, I'm sure that Flash has a future; but it's future is unfortunately not going to dominate as many segments as Adobe hoped. Meaning, Flash is cool for interactivity and although it is capable of running Scribd, HTML5 is a much more native, open, less intensive and more widely available platform.
HTML5 is by far a better investment for Scribd than proceeding with flash. However, I wouldn't consider the 3 years of flash development they invested in as a waste, at all. It got them to where they are today.
Adobe must be taking this pretty hard.
First they're dumped by Apple
, and now Scribd, I'm sure that Flash has a future; but it's future is unfortunately not going to dominate as many segments as Adobe hoped. Meaning, Flash is cool for interactivity and although it is capable of running Scribd, HTML5 is a much more native, open, less intensive and more widely available platform.HTML5 is by far a better investment for Scribd than proceeding with flash. However, I wouldn't consider the 3 years of flash development they invested in as a waste, at all. It got them to where they are today.
yeah, because it would be totally crazy to spend time or money improving support for legacy content, like obsolete versions of HTML or JavaScript, right?yeah, it's totally fair to assume that Google just started integrating a soon-to-be-legacy technology in their browser/OS.
If you want to read Google's efforts to improve the performance of existing Flash content as some kind of bullish bet on Flash's future, go right ahead. But keep in mind that Apple is doing similar things with Safari (e.g. Flash plugin running in a separate process, new API for hardware accelerated video), which would poke a pretty big hole in that theory.
It's called selection bias, and it's nothing new in here. Take notice how >bad< news about competitors are posted all the time (and sometimes even attributed to Apple) while good news about competitors are not even mentioned.
Good points all around. Adobe continues to make some of the most powerful and useful software for OS X and it looks like they're making some nice iPhone OS apps as well. Flash really is an outlier compared to the rest of their product portfolio.I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe". I'm not even sure what that means. It can either mean that they want all Adobe products to die, as in "Die Photoshop! Die Lightroom! Die Illustrator! Die InDesign! Die Dreamweaver! Die Fireworks! Die Acrobat! Die After Effects! Die Premiere! (and 70+ more products, actually)", or that they actually believe that Adobe's business hinges on a free plugin.
Adobe was huge before they acquired Macromedia (and by extension, Flash) 5 years ago. Getting their hands on Flash wasn't even the primary reason why they shelled out 3.4 billion for MM. It was mostly out of fear that Microsoft would beat them to it and build some sort of 'Macrosoft' juggernaut that would take over the creative professionals universe and give Adobe the Netscape treatment. And then, 'Macrosoft' would have owned graphic design, desktop publishing and web design like they own word processing and spreadsheets today.
Hating on Adobe in general seems kind of... I dunno, hypocritical and uninformed? Your entire desktop has Adobe written all over it. The dock icons were drawn in Illustrator and touched up in Photoshop. Adobe's PDF format is all over your Mac as well. Your wallpaper probably came out of Photoshop too. Tons of the webpages you browse were made in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Photoshop and Flash. A fair share of your fonts are probably from Adobe, who incidentally created the postscript/type1 format as well as OTF (in collab w/ M$).
If Steve somehow manages to turn everyone against Flash and invade Poland while he's at it, the only thing that will happen is that Adobe will retool the Dreamweaver+Flash combo and make it the #1 authoring/design/development kit for HTML5/Canvas. They'll live.
Use I use Photoshop like 5-30 times a month.
I don't want Adobe to die, just Flash.
Would be nice if Adobe were smart and getting out head of things and working on a top notch HTML5 toolset.
I don't know that Adobe is a very well run company and hasn't been for quite a while...
But I certainly like some of their stuff.
I don't want Adobe to die, just Flash.
Would be nice if Adobe were smart and getting out head of things and working on a top notch HTML5 toolset.
I don't know that Adobe is a very well run company and hasn't been for quite a while...
But I certainly like some of their stuff.
Please, try and use some logic rather than spouting off words. Steve Jobs, together with Apple are in fact a powerful force in technology, but they are not THAT powerful. Obviously many companies and media content websites are agreeing that Flash sux and are either ditching it for HTML5 or they are greatly reducing their use for Flash in favor of HTML5. These websites that are using Flash are probably having the same issues with Flash as Steve Jobs mentions and decided to go with a better media source.
For the record, Adobe has purposely NOT made certain pieces of their software for Mac forcing people to stick to Windows as well as make Flash run so crappy on OS X. If that's not picking a fight, I don't know what is?
Perhaps it stemmed from "Go Screw Yourself Apple."
Indeed. The pungent aroma of Microsoft pervades most bad things that happen in tech.
O RLY? Adobe has been treating its Mac customers as 2nd class citizens for years now.
And we've seen plenty of "hating on Apple in general." Why is Adobe immune? You're bugged by Adobe hate but ambivalent about Apple hate? Hmm...
Good, I hope they do.
LOL! Secret Microsoft astroturfer outed?
Hahahaha
Yeah! Expect more 1st page news of some crap sites going HTML and then just giggle at it
If Mac Rumors are about objective journalism instead of Apple arse kissing they would surely report on this interview:
http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/05/06/kevin-lynch-interview-at-web-2-0/#more-2059
But nooo...
It is obviously much more important to point out that obscure and rather dumb Scribd decided to convert their FLASH based PAPER DOCUMENTS into HTML...
Genius - to say at lest
I'm with you here, this has nothing to do with Macs/Apple at all.
I come to MacRumors to read up on interesting and new things about Apple and Macs, not to toady up to Jobsey. Please can we get back to interesting topics instead of dumb fluff posts like this that just cater to the die-hard's current hatred for all things Adobe.
True. I doubt that so many content providers will move from Flash simply to capture the iPad market. If they didn't for 3 years of iPhone/iPod Touch, it's not going to drive them now. The driver is coming from the acceptance and support for open standards in the shape of HTML5 and browsers that support it.
Someone else in this thread questioned the wisdom of leaving behind the IE6/7/8 demographic, but in reality that will dwindle. Admittedly, it will be some time before IE supporting HTML5 (i.e. v9) sees significant market share. For the time-being I expect providers will support a fall-back (either Flash or HTML) with reduced functionality. But the move is there. Even M$ has seen the (non-silver)light!
Moving from Flash does not make web less accessible. You can't drag legacy web browser support for ever. Yes, I'm talking about IE.
Sure...
I don't think this particular news was worth 2nd page to be honest - it's rubbish...
If it was worth 1st page then why not report on millions of site still using Flash in a way how Flash was supposed to be used (and that is not to display static paper documents! - lol)...
Meh...
you're absolutly right... RIM, Google, Cisco, Samsung, NBC, Paramount, nVidia, AMD, HTC, etc., etc., etc. are not at all profitable.
wow... the ignorance on these forums is truly unprecedented.
My ignorance being unprecedented; do I get some kind of award for that, or is it just more hyperbole from the losing side on an argument?
One wonders why the fuss then by Flash supporters and Flash developers if so much fertile territory lies within all of those other companies and not within Apple's walled garden? Perhaps the Openscreen project pushed by Adobe is coming up short against the juggernaut of Apple success?
Perhaps as well Adobe's lack of confidence in its own platform incited it to request an anti-trust investigation of Apple, an action I attribute to Adobe's very weakness in mobile?
What now, do I get ultramegaunprecendented ignorance, and the top of the leaderboard for ignorance?
I'm worried that the cheering for the demise of Flash is a bit like turkeys wishing for Christmas (or Thanksgiving). One thing that is very common these days is for people to block Flash in the browser as we don't want to see the ads (as on this forum for example). It's noticeable in fact that some sites are now switching to jpegs within HTML to show ads. Flash is just so easy to block. HTML5 video won't be so easy as you'll need to somehow separate content from ads. The irony is that with Flash we will have more control over our viewing experience and see less ads!
Anyone old enough...
...to remember Google in version 1? At the time, Yahoo, AltaVista, and MSN were the kings of search. However, they got more and more bloated. Adding frames, and multi-embedded-table designs etc. They became sloooow.
Then Google came along with one window, one search field... and people in the know said, "hey great!...and it's fast, especially over dial-up... and most times gives relevant results". That was the beginning of Google, and we know how huge they became... and how much better they are than all of the other bloated search sites. Then look at Chrome. Simple. Elegant. And taking the world by storm.
Apple showed Google the way to the KISS Principle; "Keep It Simple Sucka (Stupid actually)". Adobe just doesn't get it! Yet?
Did you know that portions of even Photoshop and the rest of the Adobe software is developed using Flash, Flex and Air? It's no wonder that Adobe's titles are becoming dogs!
However, IMHO... Adobe needs to trash Flash completely and start over. Seriously. They are just too lazy to accept that fact, and continue to stir and add water to the same old moldy Flash-Code-Soup.
Not gonna work me thinks.
...to remember Google in version 1? At the time, Yahoo, AltaVista, and MSN were the kings of search. However, they got more and more bloated. Adding frames, and multi-embedded-table designs etc. They became sloooow.
Then Google came along with one window, one search field... and people in the know said, "hey great!...and it's fast, especially over dial-up... and most times gives relevant results". That was the beginning of Google, and we know how huge they became... and how much better they are than all of the other bloated search sites. Then look at Chrome. Simple. Elegant. And taking the world by storm.
Apple showed Google the way to the KISS Principle; "Keep It Simple Sucka (Stupid actually)". Adobe just doesn't get it! Yet?
Did you know that portions of even Photoshop and the rest of the Adobe software is developed using Flash, Flex and Air? It's no wonder that Adobe's titles are becoming dogs!
However, IMHO... Adobe needs to trash Flash completely and start over. Seriously. They are just too lazy to accept that fact, and continue to stir and add water to the same old moldy Flash-Code-Soup.
Not gonna work me thinks.
Adobe Communications Problems...?
WARNING: Highly flammable!
I was looking at the credits today within the Adobe software I have (about Photoshop, Bridge, Illustrator etc.) I noticed something possibly interesting, and am curious about.
PS, LR, for example is developed by mostly North American sounding people, with a sprinkling of Chinese and some Indian.
However, notice for example the Installer Team (AIR) and the Encoder Team: almost all Indian.... or the Core Quality Team: all Chinese. Almost all of IL is Core Engineered by Indian programmers.
So what's the Flash Team look like? Just curious.
Ya think there might be some small "communication" problems at Adobe, or possibly little United Nations Cliques aka Fiefdoms going on here?
Just an observation.... and still curious.
WARNING: Highly flammable!
I was looking at the credits today within the Adobe software I have (about Photoshop, Bridge, Illustrator etc.) I noticed something possibly interesting, and am curious about.
PS, LR, for example is developed by mostly North American sounding people, with a sprinkling of Chinese and some Indian.
However, notice for example the Installer Team (AIR) and the Encoder Team: almost all Indian.... or the Core Quality Team: all Chinese. Almost all of IL is Core Engineered by Indian programmers.
So what's the Flash Team look like? Just curious.
Ya think there might be some small "communication" problems at Adobe, or possibly little United Nations Cliques aka Fiefdoms going on here?
Just an observation.... and still curious.