Just catering to the hangers on, but I wouldn't call these the most profitable demographic.
Enjoy.
Not a good day for Adobe fanboys (Is there such a thing?) & Apple h8trs.
I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe". I'm not even sure what that means. It can either mean that they want all Adobe products to die, as in "Die Photoshop! Die Lightroom! Die Illustrator! Die InDesign! Die Dreamweaver! Die Fireworks! Die Acrobat! Die After Effects! Die Premiere! (and 70+ more products, actually)", or that they actually believe that Adobe's business hinges on a free plugin.i'm starting to believe that macrumors is selectively choosing news to rile up the fanboys on their witch hunt for Flash
I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe". [snip] Your wallpaper probably came out of Photoshop too.
yeah, because it would be totally crazy to spend time or money improving support for legacy content, like obsolete versions of HTML or JavaScript, right?yeah, it's totally fair to assume that Google just started integrating a soon-to-be-legacy technology in their browser/OS.![]()
i'm starting to believe that macrumors is selectively choosing news to rile up the fanboys on their witch hunt for Flash, while completely ignoring other viral news (like the Ellen apology, the secret warrant, etc.) that doesn't paint such a nice picture of apple. but then i remember that macrumors serves up Flash banner ads and is not "optimized" for iPhone OS, and (to my knowledge) has never been officially invited to any apple media events, so they can't be completely biased, can they?
Good points all around. Adobe continues to make some of the most powerful and useful software for OS X and it looks like they're making some nice iPhone OS apps as well. Flash really is an outlier compared to the rest of their product portfolio.I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe". I'm not even sure what that means. It can either mean that they want all Adobe products to die, as in "Die Photoshop! Die Lightroom! Die Illustrator! Die InDesign! Die Dreamweaver! Die Fireworks! Die Acrobat! Die After Effects! Die Premiere! (and 70+ more products, actually)", or that they actually believe that Adobe's business hinges on a free plugin.
Adobe was huge before they acquired Macromedia (and by extension, Flash) 5 years ago. Getting their hands on Flash wasn't even the primary reason why they shelled out 3.4 billion for MM. It was mostly out of fear that Microsoft would beat them to it and build some sort of 'Macrosoft' juggernaut that would take over the creative professionals universe and give Adobe the Netscape treatment. And then, 'Macrosoft' would have owned graphic design, desktop publishing and web design like they own word processing and spreadsheets today.
Hating on Adobe in general seems kind of... I dunno, hypocritical and uninformed? Your entire desktop has Adobe written all over it. The dock icons were drawn in Illustrator and touched up in Photoshop. Adobe's PDF format is all over your Mac as well. Your wallpaper probably came out of Photoshop too. Tons of the webpages you browse were made in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Photoshop and Flash. A fair share of your fonts are probably from Adobe, who incidentally created the postscript/type1 format as well as OTF (in collab w/ M$).
If Steve somehow manages to turn everyone against Flash and invade Poland while he's at it, the only thing that will happen is that Adobe will retool the Dreamweaver+Flash combo and make it the #1 authoring/design/development kit for HTML5/Canvas. They'll live.
The scribd reasoning doesn't make sense to me. They feel like in flash it's in a box? Are they talking about reflowing content? If so, it sound like lazy developing on their side vs adobe being lax. There are plenty of ways to resize the flash stage to reflow content with it.
Also, good luck preserving the integrity of the font's in the the print publications.
Again. I see the point of a lot of people moving to html5, especially for video, but this little mini-exodus is premature and will fade. There are still plenty of proper usages for flash.
Also, it cracks me up when people make it sound like adobe picked a fight with apple. Jobs is the one that got a bug up his ass and decided to try and kill off flash. From what I understand once Jobs decided he didn't like flash he wouldn't allow any help from apple's side when adobe was trying to remedy the issues.
I'm not saying flash doesn't have it's issues, I'm just saying that this isn't black and white.
I think the truly amusing part is how "die Flash" suddenly became "die Adobe".
Getting their hands on Flash wasn't even the primary reason why they shelled out 3.4 billion for MM. It was mostly out of fear that Microsoft would beat them to it and build some sort of 'Macrosoft' juggernaut that would take over the creative professionals universe and give Adobe the Netscape treatment.
Hating on Adobe in general seems kind of... I dunno, hypocritical and uninformed?
the only thing that will happen is that Adobe will retool the Dreamweaver+Flash combo and make it the #1 authoring/design/development kit for HTML5/Canvas. They'll live.
My "wallpaper", which I call a desktop background and Apple occasionally refers to as the"background area of your screen", came out of Pixelmator.
i have to admit, i had no idea what was scribd.com before seeing this article. i mean, after reviewing their site it's clear that it should never have been developed with Flash to begin with. so now they want points for dropping Flash and jumping on the vaporware band wagon of HTML5 (which they don't need either)?
i'm starting to believe that macrumors is selectively choosing news to rile up the fanboys on their witch hunt for Flash, while completely ignoring other viral news (like the Ellen apology, the secret warrant, etc.) that doesn't paint such a nice picture of apple. but then i remember that macrumors serves up Flash banner ads and is not "optimized" for iPhone OS, and (to my knowledge) has never been officially invited to any apple media events, so they can't be completely biased, can they?
If Mac Rumors are about objective journalism instead of Apple arse kissing...
True. I doubt that so many content providers will move from Flash simply to capture the iPad market. If they didn't for 3 years of iPhone/iPod Touch, it's not going to drive them now. The driver is coming from the acceptance and support for open standards in the shape of HTML5 and browsers that support it.Steve Jobs, together with Apple are in fact a powerful force in technology, but they are not THAT powerful.
True. I doubt that so many content providers will move from Flash simply to capture the iPad market. If they didn't for 3 years of iPhone/iPod Touch, it's not going to drive them now. The driver is coming from the acceptance and support for open standards in the shape of HTML5 and browsers that support it.
Someone else in this thread questioned the wisdom of leaving behind the IE6/7/8 demographic, but in reality that will dwindle. Admittedly, it will be some time before IE supporting HTML5 (i.e. v9) sees significant market share. For the time-being I expect providers will support a fall-back (either Flash or HTML) with reduced functionality. But the move is there. Even M$ has seen the (non-silver)light!
I'm with you here, this has nothing to do with Macs/Apple at all.
I come to MacRumors to read up on interesting and new things about Apple and Macs, not to toady up to Jobsey. Please can we get back to interesting topics instead of dumb fluff posts like this that just cater to the die-hard's current hatred for all things Adobe.
you're absolutly right... RIM, Google, Cisco, Samsung, NBC, Paramount, nVidia, AMD, HTC, etc., etc., etc. are not at all profitable.
wow... the ignorance on these forums is truly unprecedented.