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mnoya said:
I was just looking into this. I beleive that Steve J has it correct in that most people do not want to look at a small screen to view their movies. When was the last time you went anywhere and there were not any RCA jacks to hook into? I would argue that the greater hard disk size and "untold new secrets" might include the ability to purchase movies through the store and view them on your computer or transfer them to your iPod. So if you are traveling you could keep what? 5k songs and 3 or 4 movies? you get to your hotel, friends or grandmas, jack in and you are watching your movie. In my opinion that is what a digital 'hub' is meant to do. The 3g ipod does not like the Apple video out cable for my powerbook, my 4g is being replaced do to blemishes and should be here within the day.

thoughts?

Mark


I hope Apple finds a way to sell movies through iTunes, so that we can download those movies and put them in our iPods and than with somekind of connection watch those movies on our TV screen. I think this should not be that far away. I hope Apple is the first.
 
It is BLUE!

Just picked up a new 20gb 4G iPod at lunch. The backlight does indeed have a blue-ish tinge to it. When the contrast is turned up to look good under the backlight, you actually see that the TEXT is blue too.

The main menu is customizable - you can even place "Import Photos" and "Voice Recorder" on the main menu (which both seem to require 3rd-party add-ons).

Now, anyone want to buy a cheap 10gb 2G iPod?
 
manu chao said:
You do agree to the licensing terms when you buy a song on the iTMS, but I would be very surprised
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their own version of DRMed AACs on the iPod (violation of DRM patents notwithstanding)?

They just added a quirk to their DRMed AACs, so that they can be played on iPods as well, and not just with the RealPlayer, by allowing the song to be played even if no DRM control mechanism (as there is in the RealPlayer) is present, as it is the case on the iPod.

Apple could easily break this via technological means, but this would be akin to blocking all MP3s which have been created on a Windows maschine. They could do this, no legal barriers to that but I guess everybody would consider such a thing unfair and unneccessary.

There are several formats supported on the iPod already. It would be a big difference if Apple only allowed FairPlay AACs on the iPod and nothing else (hello, Sony?), but this is certainly not the case.

You can play your own encoded AAC, FairPlay AACs, AIFF, WAV, MP3 on the iPod. Apple has chosen the FairPlay AAC method for iTMS and the iPod and not Real's own DRM/AAC method. There's nothing wrong with that when there are other format options to chose from. Again, a user can buy from other download stores, burn to cd, and rip back into one of the formats mentioned. That's not a closed system contrary to what the media misunderstands and misprints.

Since we are are not privy to the agreements between the record labels and Apple or Apple and Dolby, there's much missed here. But it is obvious that Apple is protecting it's turf and Real is indeed hacking its way onto the iPod.
 
peharri said:
Imagine instead buying a TV and finding the only channel it receives is one owned by the TV manufacturer. Imagine that some TV channel finds a way to bypass this, and the TV manufacturer then goes out of its way to try to prevent this from working on the TV you spent that money on.

i don't know about this comparison. right up front, i'll admit that i don't like having technology forced on me. that's why i scrapped my first "MP3" player from Sony. i hated their ATRAC format AND their software. but Apple isn't forcing you to do anything. you didn't buy a TV that only plays one channel. you bought a cable box for that TV that only allows you to buy pay-per-view channels from them. they don't care what other 500 channels you watch, but when it comes to revenue streams, they make sure they're the ones collecting the cash.

now if your buddy comes over & figures out how to descramble your cable box and you start paying HIM for you pay-per-view channels, then it's considered 'stealing cable'. i don't see how it's different for Real. Apple CREATED the player, went through all the legal crap w/ the recording companies to get rights, and not only built a great product, but is showing the rest of the industry how it should be done. now Real is coming along and saying, "yeah, you guys did a great job, you're very popular. how can we make money off of your product?" and putting it in the guise of consumer choice.

would i like to see a music-world where all players play all formats? sure. but if Real comes along, takes music sales and then LICENSES technology that hacks into someone else's product for their own gain (i can't BELIEVE they had the balls to even mention licensing Harmony), it only hurts Apple and therefore us, Apple's customers. as long as Apple has full control over all aspects of the process (iPod-->iTunes-->iTMS) and they're making money doing it, then they can innovate and create a better product and user experience.

what happens when you start dumping Real's Harmony tracks on your iPod and they f'ed up the code like they've done with every other products they've ever put out and it crashed your iPod. then people start ranting, "iPods suck, they crash all the time". it's not Apple's fault that Real's hacks suck, but then the media picks up on it, "Has the Once Great iPod Stumbled?". Apple loses market share and we all lose.

the more i think about this, the more i hope Apple hangs them out to dry.

But I don't particularly like hardware companies making the choices for me, especially making those decisions after I've bought my supposedly standalone product from them.

1) Apple allows you to play MP3. try that on a Sony. they aren't making the choice for you, you have options (albeit limited options)

2) you knew this when you bought the product. it IS a standalone music player. you don't want to use iTMS? don't. go buy the CD and rip it yourself. i do.

3) when it comes down to it, it's Apple's product. in the end, they decide what it can and can't do. sure they want to please the customer, that's who buys their products, but the customer offers opinions and wishes, not the actual features. i didn't walk into the BMW dealership going, "my buddy figured out a way to slap a Ford V8 in this puppy, why won't you guys let me do that?" because it would void the warranty and likely screw up the car that BMW spent so much time and effort in researcing, designing and developing.

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reset?

Ok, I hvae a question, not having a mini or g4 (I have a g1 and g3). How do you reset with the click wheel? The iPod is always needed to be reset when doing voice recordings with the Belkin Voice recorder. On the past models you did this by holding down the play and menu buttons, but how can you do it with a click wheel? The buttons are on opposite sides of the wheel, doesn't seem like you could do it
 
Ja Di ksw said:
Ok, I hvae a question, not having a mini or g4 (I have a g1 and g3). How do you reset with the click wheel? The iPod is always needed to be reset when doing voice recordings with the Belkin Voice recorder. On the past models you did this by holding down the play and menu buttons, but how can you do it with a click wheel? The buttons are on opposite sides of the wheel, doesn't seem like you could do it
Simple. You press the top Menu button and the middle Select button at the same time.
 
on topic

I love the ability to discuss whatever we want, it is a great freedom. That being said, is it possible to stay on topic. It would appear there is a need for a new thread regarding Real vs. Apple and other DRM issues. This thread is regarding 'secret 4g iPod features'.

Mark
 
has this been posted already? (long thread)

in reference to what the undisclosed features are, someone HAS already discected a 4G:

"We can't seem to identify a Flash chip nor a USB controller. There are a couple of chips we haven't been able to decipher yet, however, neither looks to be Flash or USB. It's quite possible that the Portal Player processor is now handling USB, not sure about the Flash."

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1867&mode=thread&order=1

...on topic, btw...
 
sinisterdesign said:
in reference to what the undisclosed features are, someone HAS already discected a 4G:

"We can't seem to identify a Flash chip nor a USB controller. There are a couple of chips we haven't been able to decipher yet, however, neither looks to be Flash or USB. It's quite possible that the Portal Player processor is now handling USB, not sure about the Flash."

http://www.ipoding.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1867&mode=thread&order=1

...on topic, btw...

Thanks,
I read that the 4G will be able to charge through USB 2.0. I think that may take care of one of the chips. It will also make it much more seamless between platforms.

mark
 
HORIZONTAL SCROLL WHEEL MOUSE

I know what it is! Anyone remember the horizontal scroll wheel mouse discussion???
 
bumfilter said:

yeah, would be cool, but we all know that ad is total BS. i could do that in Photoshop in just under 3 minutes...

i know we've all speculated on the iPod/AXp remote control possibilities. i'm of the school of thought that i don't want to leave my $400 iPod on my sofa, drop it on the kitchen floor, tote it into the bathroom, etc when trying to change tracks in iTunes. has anyone mentioned an infra-red/USB possibility?

i'm no EE, but couldn't you rig some simple IR interface that would plug into the USB port on the AXp that would feed info back to iTunes? i'm picturing a wire that would lead out of the AXp cube, you'd be able to tack it anywhere that you could get a good IR reception and a corresponding IR remote. the remote could be tiny (like those Bose credit card size ones). if you wanted to get fancy, you could have one w/ an LCD to show track info, but you don't need a full blown iPod doing the work of a $15 remote and IR technology is readily available and cheap.

pardon if someone else has already posted tomes on this particular setup, i hadn't seen anything...
 
New Theory

After all of us have severly over-thought this issue, I think there are no additional secret features on the 4G iPod, and Steve Jobs is just doing this for kicks to watch us all freak out. That's my theory, anyway.

-Joe
 
Secret features in the iPod are nothing new. Brick used to be a secret, you used to have to go into the "About..." menu and hold the select button for 5 seconds. The recording features were a secret. Another small 1G secret that few people know about, the 1G iPod supported the wired remote before it was even released. For those of you like me, go to your 1G iPod, and look at the headphone jack, notice the circle around it with a contact. Then ask yourself "Did my iPod come with a wired remote?" Nope, it was released with the 2G iPod.

Fun stuff. Apple loves to keep secrets, I could go on and on about macintosh secrets.
 
Well, for Apple to actually mention it like this, and knowing how high our usual expectations are and how imaginative we can be, I surely hope for Apple's sake it's a bit more interesting than a new game hidden inside the OS!
 
Secret Shmeceret I know the new "hidden feature of the iPod" its a Triple Processor G5 they have created the worlds most efficent metal, it conducts with no loss of energy (a super-conducter) and it produces no heat they were going to show it off in the iPod before they put it in the G5 Powerbooks
 
paulie said:
Just picked up a new 20gb 4G iPod at lunch. The backlight does indeed have a blue-ish tinge to it. When the contrast is turned up to look good under the backlight, you actually see that the TEXT is blue too.


My 3G iPod is blue too.
 
The hard drives in the iPod are not robust enough for video playback or long periods of reading/writing. It is most likely a connectivity function relating to express.
 
ground up. n/t

PHARAOHk said:
The hard drives in the iPod are not robust enough for video playback or long periods of reading/writing. It is most likely a connectivity function relating to express.
 
sinisterdesign said:
what happens when you start dumping Real's Harmony tracks on your iPod and they f'ed up the code like they've done with every other products they've ever put out and it crashed your iPod. then people start ranting, "iPods suck, they crash all the time". it's not Apple's fault that Real's hacks suck, but then the media picks up on it, "Has the Once Great iPod Stumbled?". Apple loses market share and we all lose.
As I would blame the people who made my iRiver when the iTMS song I copied to it doesn't play.
Hey, get real, if you buy a song from Real and than this song screws up your iPod you gonna blame Real not Apple.
I mean, whom are you blaming when copy-protected CD screw up your Mac.

sinisterdesign said:
i didn't walk into the BMW dealership going, "my buddy figured out a way to slap a Ford V8 in this puppy, why won't you guys let me do that?" because it would void the warranty and likely screw up the car that BMW spent so much time and effort in researcing, designing and developing.

Nobody, I repeat nobody, stops you from putting a Ford V8 into your BMW. It'll probably void your warranty but that's it. How a piece of software however could void the warranty of your iPod I can't see as long as it doesn't modify the firmware. And you can always reformat the harddrive.
 
AhmedFaisal said:
This is the one thing that annoys the heck out of me ever since the first iPod. That the thing doesn't have an ON/OFF switch. Drains the batteries needlessly (because it takes a while before it goes into standby) and also screws you over big time if your iPod crashes on the road with no Mac/PC nearby to reset it. Never heard of iPod crashing, yes it does that every once in a while, at least for me when it has problems reading a track. Locks up and doesn't react to any input from the buttons anymore, and no ON/OFF switch to reset it!
C'mon Apple, its just a simple button/switch!
Regards,

Ahmed (owner of a 1st Gen iPod)

It does have an on/off switch (MENU) as well as a hard reset by pressing a combination of (MENU)+ (MIDDLE BUTTON) + (PLAY) and did you know that when you get the battery icon with the exclamation mark indicating a flat battery if you hard reset it, you get an extra 10 minutes out if it!
 
I really don't think we're gonna see video on the iPod. Where do you watch movies/videos most? 1)TV and 2) Computer. You aren't going to watch videos on the tiny iPod screen, you're going to watch it on your TV, so why use the iPod. Why would you want to take video from your computer, put it on your iPod, and then put it on your TV? Why not just go directly from the computer to the TV? Or even through something like an Airport Express?

As far as watching video content on the iPod screen, things you might want are weather, news updates, stocks, etc, which could be sent directly to the iPod (but I think most of this could just be left to cell phones, considering networks are already in place..and no, don't even bring up the iPhone idea.)

Other than that, you might watch it movies in your car. Keep the movies on the iPod, plug into the car, and access the movies directly from the mounted monitor in your car (power would be supplied by the car).

I'm not saying I think any of this is going to happen in the near future, I doubt it will, but it could be a possibility eventually.

I think a set-top box is going to be the best bet for Apple->TV, or maybe use Tivo (remember the rumored deal with Tivo?).

For now, I would like the ability to automatically sync photos and movies to an iPod for access on all computers (with which I would want an iTunes for video app (and for the Tivo deal)).
 
iSight Accessory

Guess: Run the cable from your iPod to your iSight, and record video. Possibly with the display being a poor viewfinder strictly for framing purposes.
 
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