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There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.

hmmm... you state it as fact, but how do you know there is "so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government"?

Genuinely curious what sources you get your "truth" from
 
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There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.

That's not so an uncommon tactic to cut costs that I have seen tried in many different fields. I have almost never seen it work as expected.

First of all, some things that are useful or needed will be found out the hard way: when you need them and they are not available anymore or when some incident happens that could have been prevented or mitigated otherwise. This can sometimes cause staggering long-term costs.

Then you need to bring back whatever was cut out and now know you need, which sometimes comes at a much higher costs than would have just letting the thing alone. As example you might have to re-negotiate some contracts and now the other party knows that you really need them...

TL;DR: IMHO cost-cutting should always be done with a scalpel and not with a hatchet because the collateral damage made by the hatchet very often turns out to be much more expensive that the savings made by the cut.
 
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Now you can thank Trump for your viruses and malware, too. The winning never stops!
Or you can, you know, blame the people that created the virus. Or the person who didn't take precautions to prevent the virus from infecting their machine to begin with. But that's just me wanting people to take responsibility.

Is there nothing of value that these idiots won't try to ruin?
I'm not sure why this was being funded entirely by the US government in the first place. Why aren't all countries contributing to this? They all benefit as they're all using the same OS's, software, apps, etc. Maybe now that it's an independent foundation, they will.
 
Government doesn’t build cars therefore should not regulate car safety AMIRITE?

No, that's one of the things only government can do. They didn't build cars with safety features because it was a "waste" of money. Then Ralph Nader made them do it. And because it's a public issue, with a public interest that does not have a profit motive, that's a job of government. People literally die in cars every day, it's worth doing.

Whether they should be the sole sponsor of a program that affects many private entities and is subject to the whim of government budgets is another matter.

Now, if the government wants to make regulation about safe practices in software design (and they have, but I don't believe they are actual laws, just directives to federal agencies), then that's something government can and should do.

People didn't used to die in any significant numbers due to software bugs. That is starting to become a real possibility. In fact it's already a real possibility, we just haven't seen a clear example of it happening yet (that I can think of right now.)

By the way thanks for setting up the car analogy :D
 
Or you can, you know, blame the people that created the virus. Or the person who didn't take precautions to prevent the virus from infecting their machine to begin with. But that's just me wanting people to take responsibility.
One does not necessarily exclude the other.

As example, if your local administration decides to cut costs and significantly downsizes the fire department, an arsonist puts fire to your house and the fire department fails to intervene in a timely fashion to prevent widespread damage, there is a fairly good chance the right move would be to sue both for damages.
 
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Or you can, you know, blame the people that created the virus. Or the person who didn't take precautions to prevent the virus from infecting their machine to begin with. But that's just me wanting people to take responsibility.

this is like asking why we bother to have police or fire departments since it just prevents people who do crimes and start fires from taking responsibility.

what does "taking responsibility" even mean here?
 
There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.
When you have a $2T ANNUAL deficit everything is on the table to be cut.
... cut everything except for Trump's trips every weekend to Mar-a-Lago to play golf.

And nevermind about the trillions he'll add to the U.S. debt if his tax cuts become permanent


Tax Cut Extensions Would Add $37 Trillion to Debt by 2054

In a recent letter, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that extending and reviving various provisions from the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) would boost debt in Fiscal Year (FY) 2054 from 166 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) under CBO’s March 2024 baseline to 214 percent of GDP, on a dynamic basis.

Based on these estimates, we find that extending the TCJA would add over $37 trillion to the debt over the next 30 years, including $4.5 trillion over the next ten years and $15.0 trillion over the next 20 years. In real 2031 dollars – adjusted for inflation to be roughly comparable to the ten-year score – we estimate the extensions would add $23.5 trillion to the deficit over the next three decades, the equivalent of 2.4 percent of GDP.
 
There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.

Then why did Musk drop his goal from $2 trillion to $150 billion? Where is the transparency? The DOGE website added a lot of bogus "savings" just to remove them later, then stop reporting them altogether. Where are the prosecutions for the "fraud" they keep talking about?

It looks a lot like the anti-empathy ketamine addict is cutting services to the middle and lower classes to pay for huge tax cuts for billionaires. The chainsaw approach is reckless, and will take a lot of time to fix as crises hit because of the cuts. This is not the way, at all.
 
There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.
No, that's not true. It's a talking point on Fox news and elsewhere and disproven by facts. Also, government is not a business and it's not supposed to function like one. Learn some critical thinking skills before regurgitating misinformation.
 
There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.

lol, okay Elon.
 
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Our leaders have been claiming for decades they'd cut the size of government and it only get bigger. Cut as much as you can, then cut some more. Add back later if need be.

This is a perfect example of something the taxpayers do not need to pay for. Let see if it doesn't get covered by the private sector in no time.

Guess all those techies working for Elon Musk are so stupid they are happy to compromise their own internet security. Good thing we all know better.
Those DOGE techies are stupid. They're the same ones who thought it was a good idea to fire National Nuclear Security Administration employees, you know the ones who are in charge of our nuclear weapons stockpiles and stopping the illegal trading of nuclear material. Then there were those whom they fired from the U.S. Department of Agriculture who were working on containing the H5N1 bird-flu outbreak that caused egg prices to skyrocket. The same goes for the fired employees over at the Food and Drug Administration's medical devices division, which includes physicians and... cybersecurity experts.

They scrambled to hire many of them back after realizing their screw up.
 
Our leaders have been claiming for decades they'd cut the size of government and it only get bigger. Cut as much as you can, then cut some more. Add back later if need be.

" ... The federal workforce as a percentage of the total American population has remained consistent over the past decade.
....

"Size of Government" and the "Size of Budget" are pragmatically two different things. Conflating the two won't get to the root cause issues and even less likely get to real aggregate solutions to the problems.

Congress not passing a completed budget on time ( passed before the Sept 30 deadline) for decades is a much more significant root cause problem than hand waving at public safety programs. When folks vote for folks who "rant on the bloat of those other goverment workers" and then go to D.C. and do not do their Constitutional obligation duty ... that is probably more a source of the problem, than the chessy misdirection/pandering is. Elect someone who actually wants to get work done on time.

This is a perfect example of something the taxpayers do not need to pay for. Let see if it doesn't get covered by the private sector in no time.

The private sector of who? The software vendors (who produce and ship the bugs in the first place) in charge of policing themselves? When the FDA allows the drug companies to defacto certify themselves as safe how has that work out over the long run?

The aggregate class of pure software product consumption is vastly different from the taxpayer base how?


Guess all those techies working for Elon Musk are so stupid they are happy to compromise their own internet security. Good thing we all know better.

Your presumption here is that those 'techies' are all being objective. If send folks with biases into agencies they already didn't like then pretty unlikely going to get objective (with balanced taxpayer outcomes being primary objective ... as opposed to personal bias/greed/etc) cuts being made.

Some folks don't want good internet security ( that isn't their goal in life).

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/do...port-cybercrime-ring-records-show-2025-03-26/



Musk ( hackery flunkies ) indiscriminately chopping at stuff to perhaps figure out how something work isn't professional nor particularly competent.
 
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Sure guy sure. If they were serious they’d start with the DoD and congress.
Or better - healthcare. Looking at the big picture, the US pays a lot more (% of GDP) for healthcare than other OECD-countries for much worse results.

It seems as if migrating to public healthcare would use less money and give better results, so that would be real government efficiency in action. It's almost as if free market doesn't work for healthcare...
 
There is so much waste, fraud, and corruption in the US government that cutting it quickly takes broad strokes. Sure some useful things will get and have been cut, but they will either survive on their own or get brought back.
Yet doge hasn’t found much at all. Unless waste is defined as critical programs like management of nuclear weapons, power distribution in northwest, health research, and so much more. Clown Car that is doing real damage
 
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