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Security Update 2020-005
- Thread starter Earl Urley
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I rolled back once again to 10.14.6 (with no SU). Then I tried:
- Installing Safari 14, then SU 4 -> got the same Compressed excessive memory usage
(new roll back, then... )
- Installing Safari 14, then SU 1 -> got the same Compressed excessive memory usage as well! (unexpected to me)
So rolled back once again, and now?
May I ignore the Safari 14 update? Do you think Safari 14 by itself can make all this trouble?
edit: I'm trying to reinstall Mojave from Mac App Store instead of performing the Recovery's install. Then I'll jump to SU4 without installing Safari 14 to see if that helps.
- Installing Safari 14, then SU 4 -> got the same Compressed excessive memory usage
(new roll back, then... )
- Installing Safari 14, then SU 1 -> got the same Compressed excessive memory usage as well! (unexpected to me)
So rolled back once again, and now?
May I ignore the Safari 14 update? Do you think Safari 14 by itself can make all this trouble?
edit: I'm trying to reinstall Mojave from Mac App Store instead of performing the Recovery's install. Then I'll jump to SU4 without installing Safari 14 to see if that helps.
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Hum... Rolled back to 10.14.6 as I said, then SU4 update (without previously updating Safari to 14!) and everything is fine!
It really looks like Safari 14 does some bad stuff during its own update or maybe during any SU updates.
So for now Safari is 12 something. Any idea how can I force Safari to install the latest 13th version instead of 14th one? I didn't find Safari 13 on the Download page of Apple website.
Onyx and waiting overnight didn't do crap for me. Used RAM mushroomed to 12.4 GB, WindowsServer at a whopping 452 MB.
Rolling back to 16G103 to wait this mess out.
Downloading the image from the AppStore seems pretty useless in my opinion because it's the same build that the macOS Recovery app pulls down from Apple's servers.
Oh, of course installing 10.15.7 fixes it because its what Apple wants you to do anyway, never mind that you might have a bunch of mission critical 32-bit apps that the vendor won't update to 64 bit.
Rolling back to 16G103 to wait this mess out.
Downloading the image from the AppStore seems pretty useless in my opinion because it's the same build that the macOS Recovery app pulls down from Apple's servers.
Oh, of course installing 10.15.7 fixes it because its what Apple wants you to do anyway, never mind that you might have a bunch of mission critical 32-bit apps that the vendor won't update to 64 bit.
Reinstalled 10.14.6, then installed cDock. Memory use around 25% of 16GB which is what I'm used to. Installed Epson drivers from Apple and Safari 14. Installed Security update 2020-001. Restart. Build is 18G3020, SIP disabled. Memory use 62%, flashing desktop, no dock access. Remove cDock with AppCleaner and flashing stops, dock appears, memory still at 62-64% with only browser open to post this. Is it Safari 14 causing this? Now, though I have automatic update off responded to update tomorrow with the prompt appearing, the updates are still being downloaded @1.67GB. Turning off wifi.
Hard to believe but IMO Yes, Safari 14 makes bad stuff. I mean, I don't know if this is Safari 14 by itself, or if SU does something bad when applying some change AND if Safari 14 is already installed, but every time I tried to re-installed ANY of the SU (I tried 001, 004 and 005 so far), every time I got the compressed excessive RAM usage ONLY If Safari 14 was previously installed.
As I said in my previous post, installing Mojave + SU 2020-004 (without any Safari 14) worked well. And now I ignored 2020-005 update using Terminal command line (thing that you can't do anymore since Catalina though... ). And I'm waiting for more infos before trying Safari 14 again.
Hope this helps.
Phew! I don't have time to read 4 pages of posts, so I'm hoping that some understanding soul will be willing to answer by question, even if it was asked before and answered.
I just downloaded the 005-2020 update a few hours ago. It took a hard restart (I know, bad thing to do) and then a very long time (I didn't keep track) to finish restarting. At first, every process was extremely slow. For the moment, that seems to be improving. Is this behavior common for this particular update? I have not experienced this before.
I just downloaded the 005-2020 update a few hours ago. It took a hard restart (I know, bad thing to do) and then a very long time (I didn't keep track) to finish restarting. At first, every process was extremely slow. For the moment, that seems to be improving. Is this behavior common for this particular update? I have not experienced this before.
Same exact symptoms here. My Mac mini 2018 has 16gb Memory after update and at boot up it reads 5gb available!!
Good thing I caught it within 24hrs. I was able to to run a automatic Update Snapshots. (within 24 hours of install) and roll back to 004. Now memory is reading correctly.
Steps to restore from an Automatic Update Snapshot.
5. Select it and hit continue! Your Mac will now restore back to the snapshot taken just before the 2020-005 Security Update was installed.
This will only work if you applied the update less than 24 hours.
Good thing I caught it within 24hrs. I was able to to run a automatic Update Snapshots. (within 24 hours of install) and roll back to 004. Now memory is reading correctly.
Steps to restore from an Automatic Update Snapshot.
- Reboot to recovery. Hold down Command R
- Once in recovery select “Restore from Time Machine Backup” (Even if you don't have a Time Machine Backup)
- On the next screen select “Macintosh HD”. If your Mac is filevault encrypted you will be asked for your password.
- On the next screen, if you have a snapshot available it will look like this:
5. Select it and hit continue! Your Mac will now restore back to the snapshot taken just before the 2020-005 Security Update was installed.
This will only work if you applied the update less than 24 hours.
And if it's too late (beyond 24h): Recovery Mode -> Re-install macOS Mojave. Then, IGNORE any Safari 14 update but install the 2020-004 Security Update directly (not the 005 one!) by downloading it on the Apple website. Then you're free to install Safari 14 but looks like it causes a lot of trouble when applying Security Update (in a general way).
I just reverted Mojave back to macOS 10.14.6 (18G103). Safari is at Version 14.0 (14610.1.28.1.9). No problems with memory usage with this pairing. Just not going to install any more Mojave updates until Apple acknowledges the issue on their end. It's clearly in the Mojave update. I only reinstalled Mojave, I did not install any Safari updates.
By the way, I don't use time machine. So this was all done through recovery mode (CMD +R after restart).
Please read one of my previous post carefully, as I said, Safari 14 works fine BUT it causes troubles if the following requirements are:
- Safari 14 already installed
- performing any Security updates
-> in that particular conditions (or order), here excessive memory usage happens.
Of course, if you installed Security Update first, then Safari 14, it's fine... until you install a new Security Update! (because you'll perform this new Security Update with Safari 14 already installed)
[edit] that's why re-installing Mojave (which brings back Safari 12.something), then Security Update (004, forget the 005 for now) is fine.
Hope I'm clear enough though
Well I thought I had turned off Automatic Updates by unchecking the box, but it did it anyway and had to re-install Mojave again this AM. Then I checked Advanced button and three boxes were still checked, so I cleared them. Then I tried to install Catalina which I never did when it first appeared as an update, and that locked up part way through install, so I have gone back to Mojave. Will watch this thread to find out if Apple decides to correct this update.
Hello, out there on your macs!
I'm from Germany and I've been trying to use my 2017 iMac Retina 21" for mastering a DVD. After firing up the iMac a red point on the gear reminds me to - either perform an upgrade to macOS Catalina (NOPE!) or to start a security update for macOS Mojave (2020-005). Well - in order to be protected as good as possible, I started the update. About 1.6 GB data were downloaded and the installation proceeded up to that point, when the only thing I could see, was the mouse pointer on a totally black screen. The mouse pointer could be moved across the screen, but nothing else happend.
Several minutes later the desktop slowly came back and showed all the icons and object one by one. It nearly took two minutes to see all. Afterwards I tried to start Safari but nothing happend. About one and a half minute later Safari showed up, but was unable to get any internet connection. During this episode I have been surfing with my pc and my smartphone while my son performed a download with his playstation.
I restarted the Mac several times - nothing changed! Thank you so much, "Apple"!
Well - what the hell went wrong? Does Apple really think I am going to spend such an amount of money and in return I receive such a poor quality?
Obviously Apple does not test the update software at all.
Otherwise the fatal error would have shown up in their own workrooms.
It is sunday evening in Germany - I just want to have a proper update without having scrambled my Mac.
I am not kidding with the following question: does Apple imploy former Microsoft-Programmers? The lack of quality seems to prove this thought!!!
I can't take it anymore. This note has been written on my pc (*yuks*)
I'm from Germany and I've been trying to use my 2017 iMac Retina 21" for mastering a DVD. After firing up the iMac a red point on the gear reminds me to - either perform an upgrade to macOS Catalina (NOPE!) or to start a security update for macOS Mojave (2020-005). Well - in order to be protected as good as possible, I started the update. About 1.6 GB data were downloaded and the installation proceeded up to that point, when the only thing I could see, was the mouse pointer on a totally black screen. The mouse pointer could be moved across the screen, but nothing else happend.
Several minutes later the desktop slowly came back and showed all the icons and object one by one. It nearly took two minutes to see all. Afterwards I tried to start Safari but nothing happend. About one and a half minute later Safari showed up, but was unable to get any internet connection. During this episode I have been surfing with my pc and my smartphone while my son performed a download with his playstation.
I restarted the Mac several times - nothing changed! Thank you so much, "Apple"!
Well - what the hell went wrong? Does Apple really think I am going to spend such an amount of money and in return I receive such a poor quality?
Obviously Apple does not test the update software at all.
Otherwise the fatal error would have shown up in their own workrooms.
It is sunday evening in Germany - I just want to have a proper update without having scrambled my Mac.
I am not kidding with the following question: does Apple imploy former Microsoft-Programmers? The lack of quality seems to prove this thought!!!
I can't take it anymore. This note has been written on my pc (*yuks*)
Okay, after spending the better part of the day doing installs, I'm back to 10.14.6 with security update 004, Safari 12.1.2 and cDock 3.1.2. on a 2012 Mac mini. Memory use at 30% of 16GB RAM not the 60+% under SU 005 and Safari 14. Staying here till Ebenezer Cook has his folks figure this out.
I realize that there is a good chance that we're complaining into the void, or just being ignored because Apple considers Mojave to be a legacy product, even if they won't say so. However, the only chance that Apple will hear us is using the feedback system, not any forum, as helpful as MacRumors is. I'd suggest sending in as many detailed complaints as you can; there's some chance that Apple Support will listen if they get enough flack over this.
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Colstan
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Colstan
After reading Pierrespartan's last post I decided to try adding Safari 14 to my last posting. I installed it - and not SU 005, ran Onyx and rebooted. I'm now on 10.14.6, 18G6020, Security Update 004, Safari 14.0. Imazing, Little Snitch, Micro Snitch, Malwarebytes, TG Pro, Memory Cleaner, VPN and Brave browser running. 33% memory usage (5 of 16GB) according to Memory Cleaner. Opened Safari and memory usage went to 35%. I'm giving you the evil eye Security Update 005.
I did this the first day I reported it here. No replies so far.
Even gave them a few pages of console logs, but I doubt they'll ever answer.
Also somewhat sad is the mother site here doesn't even acknowledge that there WAS a Security Update 005; they literally only mention 10.15.7. There's no article even mentioning HS and Mojave.
Apple Releases macOS Catalina 10.15.7 With Fixes for WiFi Bug, 27-Inch iMac Graphics Issues
Apple today released macOS Catalina 10.15.7, the latest update to the macOS Catalina software. macOS Catalina 10.15.7 fixes several major bugs that...
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Maybe they knew in advance about the Mojave update being horrible?
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I reported the issue to MacEnhance, the developer of cDock as it rendered version 3 and 4 of their software useless.
I hear you, Earl. I appreciate that you sent feedback to Apple. As I opined previously in this thread, it's crunch time with Big Sur, so they may only have a skeleton crew working on security updates for Mojave. The chances that we'll get individual replies are somewhere between zero and negative infinity, I'd wager. They may not even read the reports, even though they claim they will on the feedback website.
It may not get fixed until a future 006 security patch, and even then it may just be happenstance, updating the affected libraries, rather than Apple actively attempting to fix this.
While there are many Mojave users out in the wild, much of the world has moved on, even though it's still receiving updates. Many news sites have ignored the Mojave/High Sierra updates. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Apple Support is being very specific about this issue. They want everyone to update to Catalina. News sites may be parroting this line of thinking, even if not consciously doing so.
Apple Support's Very Helpful Tweet
Colstan
Did anyone try to update from 2020-004 to 2020-005 but with Safari 13 installed (or earlier, but not Safari 14)? If yes, have you experience the same Memory usage issue for instance (after the 2020-005 install)?
I have a 13" MacBook Pro (2015) and am running Mojave 10.14.6. I've never experienced any issues with updates until this one. Now - like a lot of you I guess - my Mac is sluggish. It's slower starting up and slower opening apps and responding in general. Even when I adjust volume/screen brightness it's taking a couple of seconds to respond. I've left feedback on that link and hope they fix this soon.