Wow - this is pretty disturbing stuff. I really love this laptop, too, but PLEASE Apple, fix the battery issues.
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Senior Apple Advisor admits that MBPs have battery issues
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Wow - this is pretty disturbing stuff. I really love this laptop, too, but PLEASE Apple, fix the battery issues.
I'm sure they'll fix it. I'm a little shocked that (at least I've not seen) websites are not posting news about it. Looks like just user forums.
News and websites will follow up in due time if this is really true...
As has been already mentioned, she's not referring to Macbook Pros in general, just yours. She'll escalate it to Engineering where they'll examine the information captured and determine if your Macbook Pro is genuinely having an issue (which could help clarify if some of the new batch of Macbook Pros are actually experiencing some battery issues, or if yours is just faulty) or if there is another factor that's influencing the battery life.
Nah, they will fix it for you... for $149
when did apple start having such crap production quality?
ive gone through 3 internal displays in my 2014 imac
what the hell are we paying a premium for anymore?
ive gone through 3 internal displays in my 2014 imac
what the hell are we paying a premium for anymore?
Glad my 2.0GHz nTB is getting a solid 10 hrs. At this moment, the battery meter is showing an estimated 11:30 hrs remaining at 98% charge.
It seems to me that with the battery sized the way it is now, at 49Whr in the TouchBar model, 10 hours of battery life doesn't add up except under the lightest of usage scenarios. I'm sure that the efficiency of some components has been improved, but I'm skeptical they've improved them enough.
My 2015 rMB typically uses between 4-5W under light use, at ~60% brightness. With its 41Whr battery that's good for over 8 hours of use even at 5W. The new MBP has a larger, brighter screen, a much more powerful processor (28W TDP vs. 4.5W TDP), two fans, the TouchBar hardware, and two Thunderbolt daughter cards, among other things. So with all those additions, it needs to use the same 5W as my rMB in order to hit the stated 10 hours of battery. Seems unlikely.
My 2015 rMB typically uses between 4-5W under light use, at ~60% brightness. With its 41Whr battery that's good for over 8 hours of use even at 5W. The new MBP has a larger, brighter screen, a much more powerful processor (28W TDP vs. 4.5W TDP), two fans, the TouchBar hardware, and two Thunderbolt daughter cards, among other things. So with all those additions, it needs to use the same 5W as my rMB in order to hit the stated 10 hours of battery. Seems unlikely.
Try SMC reset. I just did that on my 15" and the battery remaining time changed by a factor of 2x.
This isn't surprising at all really, if you reduce the actual WHr you provide in the battery itself for the sake of thinness and weight, you are probably going to have less battery life on each charge if you are doing work that gets the cpu/gpu outside of idle states. The only benefit skylake would probably provide over the previous gen would be the idle states using less power, and maybe in and out of idle state.
I think the old 15" mbp had 99WHr capacity, the new 2016 is like 72WHr or something? (going from memory).
I think the old 15" mbp had 99WHr capacity, the new 2016 is like 72WHr or something? (going from memory).
The point is not the battery size or design or thinness or anything else.
The point is that Apple believes the performance should be 10 hours (?) and people are getting significantly less.
Count me in on that. Seems I get about 6 hours and I am not doing anything particularly taxing, have done several battery cycles and spotlight seems to be finished.
The point is that Apple believes the performance should be 10 hours (?) and people are getting significantly less.
Count me in on that. Seems I get about 6 hours and I am not doing anything particularly taxing, have done several battery cycles and spotlight seems to be finished.
I guess I never believe marketing material, especially in the windows world. On my previous 15", if I had the screen brightness at 75% or higher which is almost always where I needed it, it wouldn't get anywhere near 9hrs unless it's just sitting idle...then it'll project over that.
I'm surprised anyone really believe the marketing hype, knowing that they reduced the battery WHr.
I am generally a skeptic, but I never been disappointed in the marketing/reality gap from my iphones, Airs, Macbook Pro, etc.
I just don't get Apple this year. And I don't see how they'll do any better next year.
Thinness always came with the same battery performance, and improved overall performance in processing & graphics.
Now thinness comes with worsened battery performance, and overall performance increases are marginal with regards to processing & graphics.
Thinness always came with the same battery performance, and improved overall performance in processing & graphics.
Now thinness comes with worsened battery performance, and overall performance increases are marginal with regards to processing & graphics.
Guys, apple did not made a SMC reset and the asl is not working well out of the box. You should plug in your mac to power, shut it down, press simultaneously sfift cmd ctrl than power with all of those 3, release them, then turn your mac again !!! Its all over and we are already 6/6 people who tried and get the battery what we wanted
I second this. I'm testing out my 15" MBP I just got and everything is installed, indexed and backed up so battery life should be starting to average out normally. Computer was reporting ~5 hours battery time. Did the SMC reset and it recalculated as 7 hours after the restart. Now about an hour later off power and its saying 9.5 hours remaining.
Edit:
Saw the posts about other people's computers showing SIP was off. Mine was too. WTF.
IMO it`s far too soon to make a judgment call on the 2016 MBP`s battery runtime, in general Apple have been reasonably accurate. The picture will only clear in time with the 13" giving the most representative data. The 15" has to many variables thx to the inclusion of the dGPU. Once the dGPU is activated, clearly battery life will be heavily impacted same as all previous model of the 15" MBP.
Personally I was disappointed that Apple chose to depreciate the capacity for mostly aesthetic rational, as for me this is one of the most important aspects of a portable device. One thing I did observe from tear-downs is that the 2016 MBP has space for the battery "grow" if Apple does, "magically" find more capacity, I would personally consider this as being structured and deliberate, unless they consider all their customers to be weaklings unable to manage portable exceeding 4lb...
Too much, too little, too late...
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Personally I was disappointed that Apple chose to depreciate the capacity for mostly aesthetic rational, as for me this is one of the most important aspects of a portable device. One thing I did observe from tear-downs is that the 2016 MBP has space for the battery "grow" if Apple does, "magically" find more capacity, I would personally consider this as being structured and deliberate, unless they consider all their customers to be weaklings unable to manage portable exceeding 4lb...
Too much, too little, too late...
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This problem has been mentionned in a review by The Verge
"I don’t know what accounts for the dramatic discrepancy, though. Apple was so sure that my five-or-so-hour battery life was wrong that it sent me a second 13-inch MacBook Pro unit to test out. But I got very similar numbers on it — closer to six hours on average — and that was while using fewer apps."
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/14/...-touch-bar-review-2016-13-inch-15-inch-laptop
So it does seem widespread.
"I don’t know what accounts for the dramatic discrepancy, though. Apple was so sure that my five-or-so-hour battery life was wrong that it sent me a second 13-inch MacBook Pro unit to test out. But I got very similar numbers on it — closer to six hours on average — and that was while using fewer apps."
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/14/...-touch-bar-review-2016-13-inch-15-inch-laptop
So it does seem widespread.
if that issue is solved by smc reset no problem then. at least for those we know it.
the first 2 things we are going to do are smc reset and enabling SIP
SMC reset doesn't "solve" the issue.
It simply resets the battery estimation. Which then just shows you an unrealistic estimate that is NOT based on actually using the machine on battery till it's empty.
Also, use a timer to see how long your battery actually lasts and don't rely on the estimation (especially if you reset the SMS, then the estimation is useless).
Come on people, a little logic here and there: claiming to "solve" the battery issue by reseting the estimation without actually using the battery and then saying "I reset SMC, the battery is at 100% and it shows I have 23h battery life" while in reality you have 5h....
It simply resets the battery estimation. Which then just shows you an unrealistic estimate that is NOT based on actually using the machine on battery till it's empty.
Also, use a timer to see how long your battery actually lasts and don't rely on the estimation (especially if you reset the SMS, then the estimation is useless).
Come on people, a little logic here and there: claiming to "solve" the battery issue by reseting the estimation without actually using the battery and then saying "I reset SMC, the battery is at 100% and it shows I have 23h battery life" while in reality you have 5h....