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Senior Apple Advisor admits that MBPs have battery issues
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Kaby was never in the cards. The chips are not released.
It was between 1-3 watts of LPDDR3 and the ability to have 32GB RAM that would have drawn 10 watts.
The quadcore chips are out in three weeks to manufacturers: Apple chose to update, after years, a few weeks before a new cycle.
Given the new battery times, the whole LPDDR3 vs DDR4 battery argument is clearly not a serious or significant thing.
Still the point stands. There is no implication to think "Senior Apple Advisor" meant this specific MacBook Pro rather than all "these MacBook Pro". She said what she said and it meant a lot of MacBook Pro rather than one specific MacBook Pro and this is the default understanding of her phrase.
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And now we're past Denial and Anger stages, we're on Bargaining one.
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It was in the cards in a sense that Apple drove itself into a corner by not releasing an up-to-date update (oh, the irony!) either in May 2015 or, better, in June 2016; after that of course they could not have waited any more than October 2016 - they've already missed SEVERAL holiday sales by that time and they don't have good stats for investors on other fronts to cover that... if they were to update then, they'd simply wait out until early or mid-2017 and call that a day. And the mass being us won't even be frustrated like we're now - deceived and milked.
It's the same as saying Broadwell was never in the cards for MacBook Pro 15".
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Still the point stands. There is no implication to think "Senior Apple Advisor" meant this specific MacBook Pro rather than all "these MacBook Pro". She said what she said and it meant a lot of MacBook Pro rather than one specific MacBook Pro and this is the default understanding of her phrase.
[doublepost=1479570831][/doublepost]And now we're past Denial and Anger stages, we're on Bargaining one.
[doublepost=1479571159][/doublepost]It was in the cards in a sense that Apple drove itself into a corner by not releasing an up-to-date update (oh, the irony!) either in May 2015 or, better, in June 2016; after that of course they could not have waited any more than October 2016 - they've already missed SEVERAL holiday sales by that time and they don't have good stats for investors on other fronts to cover that... if they were to update then, they'd simply wait out until early or mid-2017 and call that a day. And the mass being us won't even be frustrated like we're now - deceived and milked.
It's the same as saying Broadwell was never in the cards for MacBook Pro 15".
Oh, if you think I was defending Apples decision, you just have to read all my rants about the 13" touch-bar. What my point was going towards is, that it isn't a software/firmware/optimisation issue at hand, but merely the battery is too small for what the laptop is capable of. If the battery was at least 65wh, I would have instant purchased this machine. Right now, most laptops which sport the weaker 15w processor (and in many cases, just a FHD screen), all offer a larger battery. This was a big fail on Apples part this release.
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XPS 15 can get a battery as large as 84wh on the QHD/4K screen, so not a true comparison.
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I am sure it is possible to get 10 hours just playing iTunes or very light browsing, which is what those numbers were made from as per Apples small print. Unfortunately, they actually must have got a lot more than that on the non-touch bar, yet made the decision to keep them both the same - probably as a measure not to cannibalise sales of the touch-bar version by making the non-touch bar seem much more battery efficient.
Paying a premium for the sake of Apples profit sharing. Period.
Gone are the days of solid QC and "it just works"...
There was a note on Daring Fireball that refered to a statement by Apple on the battery issue. It has to do with the fact that the Skylake chips ramp up and down much faster than previous iterations. This causing the software to report erratic battery levels. It should be fixed in a firmware/software update. I would expect it fixed in 10.12.2.
They had no time to test this processor?
So.. they will fix just the info of the battery level? Or will make the battery lasts longer?
Agreed...and I was just one of those fools. I woke up refreshed this morning and told Apple to F off. Cancelled my BTO 15" and gave the 13" Pro to my niece. Buying something that works tomorrow.
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And exactly how did the brain surgeons in Cupertino miss this???
Do you think that's why new orders placed today aren't shipping until end of December? Apple "working on battery issues?" Or just not enough to go around?
Don't understand why people buy the touch version of the 13" if non-touch was available in the 15" I would gotten that instead
Well, to be fair, given the length of time between redesigns, it's understandable if many jumped on board right away. I'm sure there are many who could wait, but others truly needed a new MBP for business. And it's not as if there's another hardware manufacturer to run MacOS.
Because the non-touch has a MacBook Air-level CPU? That's not enough for most looking at a laptop in this pricerange.
Im sure my opinion is a little less worthy than others, but yeah its just simple math here:
Comparing the TB to the NTB model, drawing off the battery:
All with a smaller battery
Honestly - unless someone else has a theory, my thought is Apple ****ed up.
Worst part is - they had to have known this prior to launch.
What should apple do? If they cant magically fix this they should:
*Redesign the unit to accommodate a bigger battery
*Offer a 13" TouchBar trade in program when the revised models come out
*Start listening to their customers
The best news of all for any Touch Bar owner is this - you have the holiday return period till January 8th, 2017. They might be able to fix this with firmware magic - but im skeptical, for good reason.
Recommendation - pickup a non-touch bar on a holiday/black friday discount. I got Best Buy to pricematch a base model space grey for $1299. keep it in the box (know the return period) - you can always return the ntb model if Apple gets its **** together.
Comparing the TB to the NTB model, drawing off the battery:
- 2 fans (instead of 1)
- 28w CPU TDP (vs 15w)
- 23w CPU TDP-down (vs 9.5w)
- Speakers draw more amps than previous models (correct me if i should say watts) - meaning speaker audio may have a larger impact on battery life
- Speaker speculation - since there was less room on the TB model, it might pull even more amps on speaker to compensate for the smaller bass enclosure
- Touchbar display
- Touchbar CPU circuit board
- Higher performance GPU
- 2 additional TB3 pipelines
All with a smaller battery
Honestly - unless someone else has a theory, my thought is Apple ****ed up.
Worst part is - they had to have known this prior to launch.
What should apple do? If they cant magically fix this they should:
*Redesign the unit to accommodate a bigger battery
*Offer a 13" TouchBar trade in program when the revised models come out
*Start listening to their customers
The best news of all for any Touch Bar owner is this - you have the holiday return period till January 8th, 2017. They might be able to fix this with firmware magic - but im skeptical, for good reason.
Recommendation - pickup a non-touch bar on a holiday/black friday discount. I got Best Buy to pricematch a base model space grey for $1299. keep it in the box (know the return period) - you can always return the ntb model if Apple gets its **** together.
Its not like the 13" TB is a quad core though. I don't really think there's that much of a difference in use between them.
the Macbook air processor is somewhat close if you compare CPU on benchmarks to the 2.0ghz 2016
HOWEVER the graphics performance of the Macbook air is nowhere close to the 2016 NTB Macbook 2016.
Also, while you can compare the Airs CPU to the NTB Macbook somewhat, its also worth noting that the 2015 13" MBP i7 processor gets almost the same score as the 2016 NTB 2.0ghz.
benchmarks of the NTB 2.0 base vs TB 2.9ghz are within 5-12% on most benchmarks. I dont think its worth the price difference. Also, just a hunch, apple probably has the 2.9ghz+ processors running at the lowest possible speeds to try and get more battery life out of them.
TB vs NTB benchmarks: http://www.macworld.com/article/314...e-best-bits-of-ios-in-a-really-great-mac.html
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You keep saying it but I'll wait until Intel actually releases something. They have a habit of setting deadlines and blowing them.
Geekbench test scores started uploading from HP and Lenovo last week.
Clearly they're already shipping.
you are going to have to post a link. it just sounds like the Loch Ness Monster at this point.
Here you go. Note it seems to cope with 64gb.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/8116503
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/8118719
(also they were uploaded 3 weeks ago... seems on target for a late-December/January consumer release)
I'm hearing January 5th as a best case scenario but I hear AMD might actually give Intel a run for their money this time around.
I suspect all the major manufacturers will use CES on the 5th to launch, yes (although Dell and HP reps have claimed a December launch).