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Senior Apple Advisor admits that MBPs have battery issues
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Well, doing those two things hasn't made a lick of difference in my battery life, and all I'm running is Apple Music (via iTunes) and safari with three tabs open. Getting about 6.5 hours.
Jokes on you, Apple guidelines don't favour pluralizing their product names. She spelled "these MacBook Pro" right.
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I don't quite understand how the non-touchbar pro gets the suggested 10 hrs yet they are saying a model with faster ram, nearly twice as powerful CPU, touchbar and second thunderbolt 3 controller could get anything like the same. I know these processors work on low power most of the time but even then, thats basically saying that if you do anything remotely taxing you will kill the battery.
And with lesser battery nonetheless (non-touchbar is 54.5Wh, touchbar is 49.2Wh)!
Oh yeah, forgot about that extra little detail.
I would love to hear their explaination. The only way I can see the new touchbar one getting 10 hours is if the non tb one gets 12-13 hours under normal use... which it doens't.
Because software controls the hardware. Maybe the CPU is spun up while the computer should be idling. Maybe the fans are running higher at idle than they should be. Maybe auto-brightness is overcompensating display brightness (To me this does seem to be an issue, it is constantly setting my brightness about 20% higher than my old MacBook would. I turned it off.) Maybe sleep mode isn't operating properly. It is the same way that a driver update to a desktop GPU will increase frame rates in a game.
Could be a multitude of things, I don't think Apple would intentionally misrepresent battery life by 4 hours when they are the ones that changed the way companies reported battery life in the first place.
I was thinking the same.
If a few users who have tested actual battery usage after the SMC reset then please come forward.
And an extra fan to power.
The non-touch model appears to be getting ~10 hours with normal use. There was always going to be drop off for TB model - we now know those extra components are zapping power much more substantially than previously anticipated.
Here is what the Apple website said in its footnote regarding the 10-hour battery life with the Macbook Pro 2016
Now, a class action is warranted only if people did the same tests Apple did (Browse 25 popular websites with 75% brightness). Perhaps that is the only process running? Then see if you get 10 hours or not.
But even if Apple hit this mark, this is still a bit disingenuous. This is a Pro machine, so people are expected to do "Pro" things with it. Certainly, it should be able to open one more app other than Safari and 25 popular websites.
I think the Macs are taking the route of the iPhones where they have a benchmark battery life (in this case 10 hours), and make it thinnest and lightest as possible while still hitting that theoretical 10 hours. The problem is, power consumption on an Intel processor varies wildly that them designing for a 10 hour battery life is fool's gold.
I think Apple's death is this pursuit of thin and light. Someone must remind them that mobile computing is about having the laptop with enough power to carry everywhere, does not matter if it fits in an envelope or not.
- Testing conducted by Apple in October 2016 using preproduction 2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 15-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 256GB SSD and 16GB of RAM; preproduction 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 512GB SSD and 8GB of RAM (wireless web test and iTunes movie playback test); preproduction 2.9GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM (standby test); and preproduction 2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with a 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM. The wireless web test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The iTunes movie playback test measures battery life by playing back HD 1080p content with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The standby test measures battery life by allowing a system, connected to a wireless network and signed in to an iCloud account, to enter standby mode with Safari and Mail applications launched and all system settings left at default. Battery life varies by use and configuration. See www.apple.com/batteries for more information.
- Testing conducted by Apple in February 2015 using preproduction 1.6GHz dual-core Intel Core i5–based 13-inch MacBook Air units. The wireless web test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing 25 popular websites with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The HD movie playback test measures battery life by playing back HD 1080p content with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75%. The standby test measures battery life by allowing a system, connected to a wireless network and signed in to an iCloud account, to enter standby mode with Safari and Mail applications launched and all system settings left at default. Battery life varies by use and configuration. See www.apple.com/batteries for more information.
Now, a class action is warranted only if people did the same tests Apple did (Browse 25 popular websites with 75% brightness). Perhaps that is the only process running? Then see if you get 10 hours or not.
But even if Apple hit this mark, this is still a bit disingenuous. This is a Pro machine, so people are expected to do "Pro" things with it. Certainly, it should be able to open one more app other than Safari and 25 popular websites.
I think the Macs are taking the route of the iPhones where they have a benchmark battery life (in this case 10 hours), and make it thinnest and lightest as possible while still hitting that theoretical 10 hours. The problem is, power consumption on an Intel processor varies wildly that them designing for a 10 hour battery life is fool's gold.
I think Apple's death is this pursuit of thin and light. Someone must remind them that mobile computing is about having the laptop with enough power to carry everywhere, does not matter if it fits in an envelope or not.
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Fortunately Apple don't get to make the rules.
Tim Cook refusing to use articles when referring to Apple products makes everyone, bar the fetisists in the room, groan.
True. But Apple can push an update that turns on SIP and does an SMC reset on restart. Problem solved.
Gen 1 has always had these kind of issues. It's been documented for so long that there are Apple fans that will only buy Gen 2.
Is the battery welded in? maybe thats the issue.
Apple experts:https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-strongest-way-possible-to-weld-metal
Apple experts:https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-strongest-way-possible-to-weld-metal
The thing is, the battery life is actually very good (5-6 hours), for that resolution, that CPU and that battery (49wh), powering touch bar.
The only issue is, people wanted more - only thing to do is have a larger battery. Last years model had 74w, 50% more!
It is Apple that said 10 hours though. If you are paying serious dough for these, you gotta be sure it is 10 hours.
I'd like to see usage though. You can get 6 hours on a Dell XPS 15 with a similar screen, with light usage.
Gaming/rendering though... it drops to sub-2 hours.
I called repeatedly, couldn't reach her. Was always voicemail. I also emailed her. She finally emailed me back last night, and asked if I was available today. I'll try to reach her this morning.
However, I did an SMC reset as we've discussed in another thread, and that seemed to help my situation considerably. I'm not sure my 13" tMBP actually has a battery problem anymore. Hard to tell, I'll have to wait a few days to determine.
try and see how is the battery under 900p hidpi
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so how is your battery now? can you use it for more than 7 hours?
Actually, seems that it may not have changed as much as I thought. See my latest post (page 11) on this thread.
Some of us aren't hipsters camped at Starbucks asking for the thinnest chassis possible at the sacrifice of performance and battery life. Unfortunately idiot Jony thinks we all are.
No, apple just thinks more are than aren't. And they are probably right. But if they are wrong, then they won't sell enough of them and they will learn their lesson.