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It's only really delayed sales for Apple, they know they'll get people buying the watch one way or their other. It's more of a gamble for EE I guess depending on how much they paid for exclusivity.

It will be one of those decisions where we'll never find out how it plays out for EE.

I think a good comparision is Kindle cellular. My understanding is Amazon don't charge the punter for data, its FREE.

This is how apple Watch 3 cellular should be, just like Kindle FREE.
 
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Can someone explain how this will work in reality ? So you can leave your iPhone at home... so you will need to have a second sim with a diff number in your watch ? Which you will have to circulate this new number to all your contacts and let them know that you have your watch on and not your phone ? So people will have to try two numbers to get you as they wont know what you have with you. Or will you have to keep removing your sim from your phone and put it in the watch every time you use your watch.

Series 3 Apple Watch has a digital sim inside, you choose the provider on setup and it uses that number that you have with that provider...easy.....
 
It's only really delayed sales for Apple, they know they'll get people buying the watch one way or their other. It's more of a gamble for EE I guess depending on how much they paid for exclusivity.

It will be one of those decisions where we'll never find out how it plays out for EE.
No way they paid for exclusivity. This will be a technical issue with Voda and O2 saying "nah sorry we can't support that right now".
 
I think a good comparision is Kindle cellular. My understanding is Amazon don't charge the punter for data, its FREE.

This is how apple Watch 3 cellular should be, just like Kindle FREE.

But with streaming music plus other forms of audio, I'm guessing you could absolutely hammer a data plan with an Apple Watch compared to a Kindle device?

I can see their point for charging something, maybe relative to what sort of data plan you're on for your phone, but it doesn't mean I agree with it.
 
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Never happening until Apple European HQ moves out of Cork (or Cork officially declares independence from Dublin..."the peoples' republic" and all that).

Part of their tax "agreement" prevents them having official retail operations in the country.

Hence the existence of a certain fron...err I mean Apple Certified Reseller.

This makes no sense. Usually you would want to have a retail operation in the country to strengthen the claim to be a legitimate business and not simply....covenient
 
No way they paid for exclusivity. This will be a technical issue with Voda and O2 saying "nah sorry we can't support that right now".

We will have to wait and see, but I'd be more inclined to believe that if there was only one carrier who couldn't offer it rather than only a single carrier who can offer it. It's an LTE device which has been rumoured for some time - I don't think there's any exotic requirements at the back end to support it.
 
This makes no sense. Usually you would want to have a retail operation in the country to strengthen the claim to be a legitimate business and not simply....covenient
It's a corporate tax dodge (allegedly). Basically, if you have no retail side (as many global companies HQ'd in Ireland don't), you're not generating profits directly in country, and are thus subjected to different tax criteria. It's obviously much more complicated than that, but essentially Apple did a deal with the Revenue a while back. Quid pro quo, tax vs job creation.
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We will have to wait and see, but I'd be more inclined to believe that if there was only one carrier who couldn't offer it rather than only a single carrier who can offer it. It's an LTE device which has been rumoured for some time - I don't think there's any exotic requirements at the back end to support it.
Hmm on reflection you could be right. Maybe Voda and O2 just don't see it worth pursuing.
 
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It's a corporate tax dodge (allegedly). Basically, if you have no retail side (as many global companies HQ'd in Ireland don't), you're not generating profits directly in country, and are thus subjected to different tax criteria. It's obviously much more complicated than that, but essentially Apple did a deal with the Revenue a while back. Quid pro quo, tax vs job creation.

Ah right makes sense. But...but... revenue don't do deals........ bahahahhahah
 
This is how I hope it works out. Thanks.

Actually I found this on the bottom of Apple's page. It may in fact require a phone plan, but I guess time will tell once the Carriers release the plan information.

  1. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires an iPhone 6 or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch and iPhone service provider must be the same. Not available with all service providers. Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area. Wireless service plan required for cellular service. Contact your service provider for more details. Check www.apple.com/watch/cellular for participating wireless carriers and eligibility.
 
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The difference between ipad and watch is how would you use watch and phone simultaneously.
 
We will have to wait and see, but I'd be more inclined to believe that if there was only one carrier who couldn't offer it rather than only a single carrier who can offer it. It's an LTE device which has been rumoured for some time - I don't think there's any exotic requirements at the back end to support it.

Aren't there differences between US and Euro LTE networks though ?
 
I can't see any carrier passing on the Apple Watch - it's another revenue stream for them and a device which if somebody owns one, chances are they also own an iPhone.
 
Does anyone know if the bands for Apple Watch 1 will work on the Apple Watch 3?
 
Oh I know I was being sarcastic. Revenue's response tot he EU Apple tax thing is that they don't do special deals. Conveniently the actual records of their interaction are confidential :rolleyes:
Yeah I got that from the bahaha...it was for the benefit of others not familiar with the Revenue's cosy little deals.

Let's not derail the thread of AW3 angst though :D
 
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Actually I found this on the bottom of Apple's page. It may in fact require a phone plan, but I guess time will tell once the Carriers release the plan information.

  1. Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) requires an iPhone 6 or later with iOS 11 or later. Apple Watch and iPhone service provider must be the same. Not available with all service providers. Roaming is not available outside your carrier network coverage area. Wireless service plan required for cellular service. Contact your service provider for more details. Check www.apple.com/watch/cellular for participating wireless carriers and eligibility.
Hoping that's because the watch just leeches off the phone plan with no incremental cost. Wishful thinking, I know.
 
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Still unclear. Can I simply register the Cellular Watch under my EE Sim only contract, which I use in my unlocked iPhone? Or do I have to take out a separate EE contract, even though linked to the same number, at additional cost? The latter scenario is a deal breaker.
 
WiFi-only models come with a composite back, while the cellular versions feature a ceramic back. My experience with the composite back was pretty poor on the Series 0, so I'd prefer the cellular just for this feature alone. Eager to find out the added monthly fee ...

I want the stainless back for matching to existing bands (I bought my 0 with the Milanese and I have a classic buckle bought earlier this year) and for the scratch resistance. But I don't really need the cellular service and I'd like to keep my Simple Choice plan for now since we have CarPlay in one car and stream Pandora over Bluetooth in the other and Simple Choice still has the Music Freedom feature that means Pandora streaming doesn't count against our data allowance, nor would Apple Music.

So I am hoping that the watch will work fine if you choose not to enable cellular service. In the FAQ on the Apple site there's a statement that you can set up service later in the Watch app on your phone, so I'm hopeful that this is so.
 
Hoping that's because the watch just leeches off the phone plan with no incremental cost. Wishful thinking, I know.
I was hoping that to but when Phil said there's as great deal during the trial run from Carriers I knew there's going to be a high cost. So I'm out.. they said a similar thing when cellular iPad's were all the craze. And you have to pay for that monthly too. To me the watch can't do nearly half as much as phone's/ipad's so it shouldn't cost a monthly fee. But then Apple threw out there that of course Apple Music 40 million songs... blah blah blah and again reaffirmed data costs. AGH!

Found this already:
AT&T say it'll cost $10 a month to add the device to an existing mobile plan; Verizon and T-Mobile say they will make that connection free for the first three months. The latter notes the eventual $10 price applies only if you enroll in auto-pay billing. From: arstechnica.com

So a 120.00 a year to have this on my wrist on the off chance I need to make a call without my phone? Yeah that's an easy pass.
 
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Still unclear. Can I simply register the Cellular Watch under my EE Sim only contract, which I use in my unlocked iPhone? Or do I have to take out a separate EE contract, even though linked to the same number, at additional cost? The latter scenario is a deal breaker.
Most likely they'll make you switch to a new tariff (not a separate contract per se) which, judging by the consensus here, will be EE's way of stiffing you for more money per month.
 
Apparently att requires u to pay an access fee because it wil use the data from your plan. The access fee starts at $20 a month. That's ridiculous.
 
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