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Serious Iphone Competition on the Way?
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LOL, I'm sorry, but I do believe you're the last person in this thread to judge anything like that.
Poor lad. New strategy from you: Now you're playing the victim-card
If you recall, I began posting in this thread by merely disagreeing with your blanket statement, and soon after you began with your ad hominems.
Oh, great, another thinly veiled ad hominem
But behind the personal attacks, you're asking why I would counter the way I countered you. I did so, because you kept misrepresenting what I said, and when you were made aware of that, you were the one using ad hominems and "spewing bile", calling me all sorts of things, and so on. Do you really think you're in a position to play a victim?
Wow! What a load of bollocks. Luckily I quoted everything you said, because that surpasses what was previosly the remark that was most distant from reality.
Ah, I see. Once again you make an unfounded claim, only based on pure opinion, and you back it up with yet another claim, that is a) anecdotal, and b) totally irrelevant.
That's okay, it's an hour later here. I'm tired myself.
Yuk....Friend of mind tried the latest HTC and he returned it after 1 week. Couldn't use the thing. He got a really good deal from Orange, but just couldn't handle it. All the features were unusable. He was used to an Itouch though and so he knew what the iphone was like. Alas o2 had noreception in his home so ended up sticking to a standard phone.
Still. Windows mobile was the problem and until they change that there is no competition as far as i'm concerned.
Even with all the iphone bugs it is still the best phone ever. I love it and nothing from any company will touch it for a long while. It is a great music phone. With a few mods to the camera and software it will be the best phone ever for a long while. It may take a while to do it but when the 3rd gen iphone comes out i believe it will be the complete package.
In this video the Touch HD renders a web page perfectly, while the iPhone completely messes up.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=eisadEADpwk
The Touch HD is going to be a better internet browser than the iPhone, leaving the iPhone only as the better ipod.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=eisadEADpwk
The Touch HD is going to be a better internet browser than the iPhone, leaving the iPhone only as the better ipod.
the hardware and design may be appealing, but the hearts and guts of it is winmo... sorry. It's like putting a ferrari body kit on a ford.
Most people still don't understand why the iphone works so well. It's the tight integration of OS X and the hardware, since apple makes both and has 100% control of both aspects, this is what makes the entire user experience. I doubt you will see that on any other device. From watching the new video of the Touch HD. I'm not impressed at all. If it wasn't for the iPhone, there would be no Touch HD.
Most people still don't understand why the iphone works so well. It's the tight integration of OS X and the hardware, since apple makes both and has 100% control of both aspects, this is what makes the entire user experience. I doubt you will see that on any other device. From watching the new video of the Touch HD. I'm not impressed at all. If it wasn't for the iPhone, there would be no Touch HD.
Did you even watch the video? Please do, and stop blurting out Apple marketing likes its fact. WinMo is designed to work on multiple hardware, but how does that make the "integration" any less functional, especially in the Touch HD's case?
A couple of points-
1st, I watched the video linked to up above- it looks like for custom zooming in the browser you still have to use a scroll bar down at the bottom (which his finger did nicely, but he must have been very used to doing that - a lot of people would get out the stylus for that). In it's defense, it did look like the double touch worked for smart zoom though. But still not as easy to zoom where you want as the pinch.
2nd, all of these other phones that have the card slots- yes, this makes the *storage* memory larger, but from what I understand, the memory on these cards cannot be used to launch apps from. You need internal memory to store the applications. So again, only the VERY very latest phones that have come out or will be released soon have the same internal memory as the iphone, and I can only think of a few that do.
1st, I watched the video linked to up above- it looks like for custom zooming in the browser you still have to use a scroll bar down at the bottom (which his finger did nicely, but he must have been very used to doing that - a lot of people would get out the stylus for that). In it's defense, it did look like the double touch worked for smart zoom though. But still not as easy to zoom where you want as the pinch.
2nd, all of these other phones that have the card slots- yes, this makes the *storage* memory larger, but from what I understand, the memory on these cards cannot be used to launch apps from. You need internal memory to store the applications. So again, only the VERY very latest phones that have come out or will be released soon have the same internal memory as the iphone, and I can only think of a few that do.
Although I would love to use my iPhone the 6 months a year I travel It is locked. This although maybe not quite as slick over all as the iPhone this might be the stop gap measure I was looking for. I need tethering and not the SOCKS proxy work around for they have for the iPhone now.
Seems like the iPod on the iPhone beats this device but I can just use my iPhone for that.
I bought a Nokia before and the software it came with didn't work on a Mac, is HTC software compatible? Also does it charge from USB? I need it do that because where I am going has no electricity except for a generator a couple hours a night. It really sort of sucks when the laptop is full but the phone it is tethered to is out of juice.
Before people start hating on me for wanting one of these, keep in mind I actually want it because I need it. It would be rather hard to use my locked, unable to tether iPhone given my circumstances or I would do just that. Last time I tried my original unlocked iPhone in the area I stay in, it didn't get signal when other phones did anyway.
Even if an unlock becomes available for the 3G it isn't like I can spot test it before going. Not that I can test the HTC either but every make of phone was able to make and receive calls in that location except for my iPhone.
I am going to guess that there will be things I like about the HTC and things I prefer about the iPhone. I am giving up on having my cake and eating it too.
Seems like the iPod on the iPhone beats this device but I can just use my iPhone for that.
I bought a Nokia before and the software it came with didn't work on a Mac, is HTC software compatible? Also does it charge from USB? I need it do that because where I am going has no electricity except for a generator a couple hours a night. It really sort of sucks when the laptop is full but the phone it is tethered to is out of juice.
Before people start hating on me for wanting one of these, keep in mind I actually want it because I need it. It would be rather hard to use my locked, unable to tether iPhone given my circumstances or I would do just that. Last time I tried my original unlocked iPhone in the area I stay in, it didn't get signal when other phones did anyway.
Even if an unlock becomes available for the 3G it isn't like I can spot test it before going. Not that I can test the HTC either but every make of phone was able to make and receive calls in that location except for my iPhone.
I am going to guess that there will be things I like about the HTC and things I prefer about the iPhone. I am giving up on having my cake and eating it too.
It's a great piece of hardware. I'd like my iPhone to have that screen and camera. Still, it's gonna be 200$ more expensive (unsubsidized prices) and of course there's the issue of win-mo. The problem will be for Apple once HTC sells this with Android inside...
Anyways, this is good. It might convince apple to up the ante, hardware wise. If we are lucky it might also make apple rethink about the incomplete bluetooth stack, lack of video recording, etc - crippled functionality is =(
Anyways, this is good. It might convince apple to up the ante, hardware wise. If we are lucky it might also make apple rethink about the incomplete bluetooth stack, lack of video recording, etc - crippled functionality is =(
Actually, Windows Mobile can run apps loaded onto the SD card.
Some apps like SBP Mobile Shell, that deal with reskinning the OS, requires installing on the internal memory because of the way the OS Boots.
Learn to read a bit more closer. I stated that I watched the video.
I guess you fall in the category that don't understand seamless user intergration.
Show me one device from windows or microsoft that has the same user experience level as apple's products.
The phone is brand new. I doubt he had it for more than a few hours.
Pinch zoom is way overrated.
As already pointed out, you are wrong about how applications work on WM.
212rikanmofo said:
After the 2.0 fiasco, saying the iPhone works well is a bit of a joke. You know windows mobile doesn't have a screen of death of any kind.
So you cant see the progression from this
to this?
I do understand seamless user experience, but I also understand that it wasn't invented by Apple. (But that's not something you'd know from Apple's marketing) It's something that does not interfere with the user’s goals and remains in the background. Up until last friday, the iPhone was quite the interference in the user's goals. But wait, what happened to that magical "tight integration of OS X and the hardware" that would be seemingly impervious to such problems?Learn to read a bit more closer. I stated that I watched the video.
I guess you fall in the category that don't understand seamless user intergration.
This is why I claimed you didn't watch the video.
I'm going to assume (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that you fall into the crowd who hasn't actually used Windows Mobile but somehow feels qualified to judge its usefulness, abilitiy, or user experience. More importantly, Touch HD is 3D accelerated (has a GPU for rendering) and completely layers Windows Mobile in TouchFlo for most functions of the phone, therefore bypassing most of the problems you would experience. Now my question is, what could you possibly complain about that seems lackluster or problematic compared to the iPhone (Besides the Windows Logo)?Here we go again...!
is this what we are talking about?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSk9TW7z-4
If so, FORGET ABOUT APPLE. From what I can see on the video, this phone is going to be AWESOME!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSk9TW7z-4
If so, FORGET ABOUT APPLE. From what I can see on the video, this phone is going to be AWESOME!
I thought they were talking about the HTC Touch HD:
CNET pics of HD
Besides the HTCs and the Android phones, I think the Blackberry Storm will also sell extremely well. It's a BB. Has touch. Works on Verizon and GSM networks. Nice. I've never wanted a BB before this one.
CNET pics of HD
Besides the HTCs and the Android phones, I think the Blackberry Storm will also sell extremely well. It's a BB. Has touch. Works on Verizon and GSM networks. Nice. I've never wanted a BB before this one.
Who cares about the Touch HD?
I'm takin' a look at the T-Moble G1! Android is where its at!
Yes. This is the one on the youtube video I posted!
I don't know. I guess I am not seeing how amazing this is like some of you. I can see where it has done a lot of things that competitors haven't been able to accomplish, but it still does nothing for me. UI is terrible, but the functioning seems pretty good.
I am not convinced though.
I am not convinced though.