Everything that’s bad in the App Store will be magnified going into the future in the EU.
Thankfully third party app stores are not a thing in the US.
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Setapp Planning to Launch Alternative App Store for iOS in Europe
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Thankfully third party app stores are not a thing in the US.
If I were apple I would be fighting this to the death — which they seem to be doing. There is no getting ahead of regulation, there is only quashing it.Apple could've avoided this and still can.
Microsoft offers "Stores within Stores", so everything is still within the Microsoft Store on Windows.
Apple: when people say you should get ahead of regulation, ☝️is what they mean 😂
To be honest, I don’t give a damn who’s pushing for it. Paywalling the installation of basic software on most peoples’ most-used devices is inexcusable. Plenty of people want this ability and will benefit.
You: if Almighty Apple can't figure out app store moderation, nobody else can, either.
This is literally the point of anti-trust regulations: companies proclaiming only they (Apple, Setap, etc.) can be the consumer's best protector.
Thank God you're just one of us and not actually Apple, Inc. 😅
There is always getting ahead of regulation and smarter companies do it all the time (including, hey, Apple lmao with type-C on so many devices).
I'm well aware that centuries of antitrust have very little to say about a company with legitimate business practices and 30% market share. Which is why the EU is targeting Apple with new regulations instead of centuries of antitrust law.
A few minor ones. Mostly ones that enable developers to run arbitrary code or ignore native interfaces in favor of awful cross-platform UIs.
Emulators, porn. I saw the list earlier.
FWIW, I'd support browsers having their own browser engines, as long as Apple continues to require that webviews in other apps use the system engine.
Okay? Maybe everything will be free too!
Good for you! You realize that Setapp can review and release apps on the App Store for a single subscription price like they do on the Mac right now.
I have no idea what "paywalling" means in this context. Most people don't use iOS devices.
Plenty? How many? How will they benefit? How does that compare to the negative effects?
Somehow, I suspect these people didn’t choose to have malware installed on their android phones either, but it still happened. I can’t say how big of an issue it is in my country, but I am seeing this phenomenon getting more common.
Worried about falling victim to an Android malware scam? Look out for these red flags
Scammers might pose as friends, bank employees or government officials to gain trust, and they might even have some acting skills.
Funny thing - one of the banks recently updated their app so that it no longer works if it detects the presence of sideloaded apps on your android phone.
New banking app security feature sparks customer outcry; banks say it doesn't conduct surveillance on users' phones
SINGAPORE — To counter malware scams, banks here are rolling out a “stronger security feature” where phone users will not be able to use their mobile banking applications or log in to their internet banking accounts temporarily if their devices have other apps downloaded outside of official app...
It would truly be ironic if, when this feature finally does come to iOS, that it still become inaccessible not because of Apple, but through the actions of other apps.
Agreed. Europe is no real loss.
Correct.
You keep discussing what anti-trust . What anti-trust in the US has been brought against the App Store?
Ditto.
Sure there is always planning. Smart companies plan.
It directly impact the safety of your personal information more than your phone. As, if you know anyone who’s apt to sideload NOT knowing what they’re doing (No, no, this one is real because it’s a nigerian PRINCESS, not prince), then your contact information they have stored plus any images or chats that have been shared with them are just one “Give this app access to your everything” dialog box tap away.
It's good, because Apple sets standards. Else developers will make bad software for iOS.
I have seen some software that was constantly rejected by Apple how piece of crap it was. And still, the final version that got approved by Apple was still a piece of ****.
Without Apple gatekeeping, developers will make lower quality crap.
Services generates too much revenue for Apple to give it up. Better ditch Europe indeed.
Well, the devil is in the details, and we currently still don’t have any information on just how sideloading will be implemented on iOS. How onerous will the process be? I doubt it will be as straightforward as simply clicking on a web link and installing the app the same way you would download a file.
Would Apple still demand a cut of setapp’s revenue? It’s not we don’t have precedent in this matter.
Might certain system features be disabled in the name of security?
Apple can’t stop sideloading from happening, but they can nudge users away from it. The devil is ultimately still in the details.
It’s a paywall because Apple already allows sideloading for $100/year — part of the Dev program. It’s not like an impossible feat that nobody’s tried before. Apple allows easy-ish sideloading to an extent. You just need to pay for it.
How many? I dunno man.
*spins wheel*
88 billion. That’s my number. Question for you: How many people will be negatively impacted?
Consumers will benefit by having a wider variety of apps on their devices, if they choose to. Do I need to explain further?
How does it compare to the negative effects? I’m not sure — sideloading has never been offered to the masses on iOS. Anybody can sideload on iOS with a free dev account, yet the sky somehow hasn’t fallen.
Both Xbox and Meta Quest support sideloading, yet the vast majority of apps are in their official marketplaces, and there are no notable malware issues.
I’m SO curious to know what you consider “bad software”, and which apps you’re referring to.
You can already buy PS5, Xbox and Switch games from multiple places.
It's EU only.
Unless Apple will decide to make it worldwide - UK is not getting it.
The problem is that eventually you will have to - Microsoft, Adobe, Steam, every large enterprise, etc. They will all want to avoid Apple's cut by forcing people to use their own App Stores. And then you will have to deal with multiple places with separate sets of logins, payment methods, subscription rules, ways to update software, etc.
And, this does NOTHING to actually increase any real choice in the EU region. Before their regulatory spree, Apple and Android were the only choices. AFTER… Apple and Android are still the only choices. This actually solidifies their stranglehold on the EU mobile market as the governmentally chosen winners, making it impossible for any new platforms to compete.
Setapp won't necessarily be required to accept apps in its app store any more or less than Apple is required to accept apps in its App Store.
Good luck to them, they'll be bankrupt within 2 years if they try it 🤣
App subscription service Setapp today announced plans to launch an alternative app store for iOS and iPadOS in 2024.
The European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which came into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers. The DMA will have a significant impact on Apple's platforms, and it could result in Apple being forced to make major changes to the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more.
Apple is expected to be compelled to allow users to download apps from outside its official App Store. Otherwise known as sideloading, the change would allow customers to download apps without needing to use the App Store, which would mean developers wouldn't need to pay Apple's 15 to 30 percent fees.
Apple is believed to be planning to implement sideloading support in iOS 17 to comply with the new European regulations by next year. Apple must comply with the DMA or it risks fines of as much as 20 percent of its global revenue.
Setapp offers a large collection of Mac apps in a single subscription service. The company's new app store for iOS and iPadOS will ensure that users can access universal Setapp apps on other devices, as well as a range of apps new to the Setapp catalog from over 30 developers.
Users interested in being among the first to try Setapp's alternative app store once it is available can now sign up to a waiting list. It will be available in the European Union only.
Article Link: Setapp Planning to Launch Alternative App Store for iOS in Europe
I like the walled garden 😊
One of many reasons I moved from Android
I'd cite the actual sandbox results that I found when my company's platform killed and quarantined it for a client, but I'm not on my work computer, I won't share potentially confidential information, and I would never sign into anything personal on it. So oh well.
