The choice is also to use whatever app store you want.
It's not terribly complicated.
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Setapp Will Be One of iPhone's First Alternative App Marketplaces in EU
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It's not terribly complicated.
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It’s good to have a choice of different choices.
The main issue that i see is that some (large) developers may withdraw apps from the App Store forcing you to download their apps from their own store (and therefore getting your Credit Card and Personal Data to register). Personally I am happy with the single store approach provided by a company that, in my opinion, seems to care about privacy (I respect the fact that others may have a different view here). But I think the argument of having more choice will turn into having forced choices i.e. if you want to download this app then you have to use this store.
It’s a daystallion!
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Congratulations EU friends on now having another choice of app supply, access to apps that the rest of us will NOT be able to access, etc... with many more app stores and app buying options to follow. Inevitably, competition will lead to lower app pricing too (as only competition can), so enjoy getting some of the same apps the rest of us get... but paying less for some of them. And of course, those of you in the EU who have bought the whole "doomed" scenario still have access to the Apple App Store too, so you can keep getting apps the way you always have if you prefer.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will try to keep spinning how doomed you are (virus, trojans, crime syndicates, identity theft, fire, brimstone, locusts, frogs, plague, etc) and how much better we have it with a single "Company Store" fully controlling what we can and cannot access on devices we own... in spite of having the very same seller:buyer relationships with Mac, where we have all of the same freedoms you are beginning to enjoy (and no dramatic consequences in enjoying such freedoms ourselves).
Also congratulations to developers of amazing apps for now having a way to optionally charge a bit less but make more for the work in creating and maintaining iDevice apps... by not having 15%-30% coming right off the top if they are so inclined... exactly as it is with Mac apps should those developers wish to run their own App Store and sell their Mac apps directly to any of us.
Time will now show how all that security spin was mostly a pile of nonsense... as we all already know by not having our Macs compromised by the very same arrangement for all these years we've used Macs.... and as we recently learned against the great outrage of "forced USB-C" NOT resulting in lint extinction, wobbly ports and broken tongues at every turn (I'm still finding lint everywhere I used to find lint... and nary a single USB-C port repair kiosk has popped up in popular places to fix all those wobbly ports with broken tongues).
Will there be a few instances of virus, etc? Likely, as there are already a few instances of bad apps getting to people through the Apple App Store too. But I don't expect any more as a percentage of all EU iDevices than infected/compromised Macs as a percentage of all EU Macs. If EU people make intelligent app acquisition choices, they'll be just fine... just as we all are when we make intelligent Mac app acquisition choices.
Enjoy your new freedoms of choice EU Apple people. As an American, I envy this great advantage over my own highly-constrained potentials and only a single choice as shopkeeper.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will try to keep spinning how doomed you are (virus, trojans, crime syndicates, identity theft, fire, brimstone, locusts, frogs, plague, etc) and how much better we have it with a single "Company Store" fully controlling what we can and cannot access on devices we own... in spite of having the very same seller:buyer relationships with Mac, where we have all of the same freedoms you are beginning to enjoy (and no dramatic consequences in enjoying such freedoms ourselves).
Also congratulations to developers of amazing apps for now having a way to optionally charge a bit less but make more for the work in creating and maintaining iDevice apps... by not having 15%-30% coming right off the top if they are so inclined... exactly as it is with Mac apps should those developers wish to run their own App Store and sell their Mac apps directly to any of us.
Time will now show how all that security spin was mostly a pile of nonsense... as we all already know by not having our Macs compromised by the very same arrangement for all these years we've used Macs.... and as we recently learned against the great outrage of "forced USB-C" NOT resulting in lint extinction, wobbly ports and broken tongues at every turn (I'm still finding lint everywhere I used to find lint... and nary a single USB-C port repair kiosk has popped up in popular places to fix all those wobbly ports with broken tongues).
Will there be a few instances of virus, etc? Likely, as there are already a few instances of bad apps getting to people through the Apple App Store too. But I don't expect any more as a percentage of all EU iDevices than infected/compromised Macs as a percentage of all EU Macs. If EU people make intelligent app acquisition choices, they'll be just fine... just as we all are when we make intelligent Mac app acquisition choices.
Enjoy your new freedoms of choice EU Apple people. As an American, I envy this great advantage over my own highly-constrained potentials and only a single choice as shopkeeper.
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All this doom and gloom is hilarious. You have a choice in the EU, any one who is frightened can still use the App Store FFS. Been downloading from third Parties on my Mac for years, never had problems. I’m in the UK, so I still have to use the App Store, but I do anticipate the UK CMA to following the EU CMA, in fact many other territories probably will follow the EU lawmakers?
If that is the case, why would any developer of a subscription app choose Setapp instead of AppStore where they can make more money ?
Buy buying the proper phone for the app store you want...Hence choice. . Look, if you want the options available on a BMW don't buy a Mercedes. You make decisions up front. and live with your choice...EU is destroying tech.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Of course, we all should realize it's ALWAYS been this way with Mac apps and there's generally been minimal financial/privacy/crime consequence in all these decades we've used Macs. The EU will simply have the same kind of app choice freedoms that we all have with Mac... and the very same level of risk that we all take with Mac.
I doubt there are very many Mac people who do NOT have at least one+ third party (purchased) app on their Mac. In my case, I have many... as I'd rather the bulk of the money go to the developer of the app instead of buying it through the Mac App Store and having the richest company in the world take the first 15%-30% right off the top BEFORE the app developer/maintainer/updater can even take a first bite at revenue for THEIR app. But perhaps that's just me.
I see this akin to "starving artists" vs. King of the Global Capitalism Mountain. I'd rather the artists make more money than the 64,000LB gorilla that does not really need this kind of money to continue to thrive & prosper. The Corp will be just fine in continuing to make massive EU revenue & profit long after this is as fully entrenched as it will ever be. Hopefully some added revenue to developers will spur on creation of more apps and improvements... and competition will probably deliver the bonus of some lower prices for EU consumers too. Happy EU customers will likely put some of that money savings towards new Apple hardware offerings, Apple exclusive services, etc. Everybody wins!
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Time for MacRumors to bring their own App Store as well.. the user base is already there.
You know, I've been thinking about this lately. Iron-fisted rule is super clean, exacting, and convenient, don't get me wrong! But maybe a bit of a mess is the literal cost of freedom?
I have had to clean mac's with viruses.. and most now need antiviral software...A walled garden is perfect for me.
Except it's not, because existing apps are going to be pulled from Apple's App Store. You'll have no choice but to use the alternative stores if you want to keep using the same apps. This is a much worse experience for the end user.
So the fragmentation begins... payments, updates, more complicated refund processes, keeping track where your apps are from, etc.
Well, we EU people do like having our lives complicated by all the regulations
Well, we EU people do like having our lives complicated by all the regulations
In your opinion
Here is a crazy thought. Apple could make the App Store so attractive, that developers would want to stay there.
You actually believe this is going to result in lower prices? 😂 Running your own storefront isn't free. In fact, it is going to be a NEW expense. New expense + business goal to PROFIT does not = lower costs. Especially because the things you need to use to do these things...aren't getting any cheaper either.
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All of this wouldn’t have happened if Apple only checked for scams and malware, instead of rejecting apps based on content and features (which should be none of their business) and insisting on getting a 30% cut on any feature or content sold through an app (features or content they can claim no merit on), instead of just a flat per-app fee. Apple made themselves an app and content merchant, so now they have to allow other merchants besides them.
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Sure, just wait until an app you like or need is only available elsewhere 😉
Mainstream iPhone users aren't as tech savvy as you or most persons on MR.
So it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
I expect hiccups during 1st 12 months.
By 120th month it should be as non-eventful as the App Store today.
I am thankful for the EU to step up and force companies to more consumer-friendly product & service design.
So does this mean that all of the apps that are included with Set App iOS will now to be under the new payment rules in the EU? IE, they all have to pay the core tech fee of $0.50 per user and can never go back to the old way?
Fragmented experiences aren't consumer friendly (especially when you consider that the average consumer isn't very tech-savvy and wants things to be as simple and streamlined as possible).
A part of me is looking forward to reading complaints from consumers because what was once simple and streamlined...isn't anymore. The average consumer probably isn't going to celebrate this. They are probably going to complain that they now have to go through multiple steps that they didn't have to before, take an extra 2 seconds to pick defaults, etc. I think back to my very NOT tech-savvy neighbor asking me "why the **** do I have to go through so many **** steps to set this thing up?!" And those were steps that, literally took only a few seconds to go through. The average consumer just wants things to be easy.
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Yes, but that's much harder unless you want to give up making money.
Enlightening despotism where you agree with the despot most of the time, is the best solution.