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Watched the keynote for the 50th time last night. And just like every other time, I got totally sucked in watching Steve give the presentation. It was just amazing. I remember being blown away by what I was seeing. And now knowing the back story and the whole "golden path" thing, it makes it even more spectacular.
 
The iPad is a configuration of the iPhone.

The iPhone was a game changer. Like the iMac. Like the Macintosh. Since 2007, though, crickets. Just riffs on existing products, feature adds, revisions, refinements.

They no longer change the game; they just compete into existing markets with an aging product matrix.

Yeah... because iPad hasn't completely ripped into laptop sales or anything. :rolleyes:
 
You feel old because of a phone you owned a short 7 years ago?

You must be young to make a comment like that LOL

7 years ago is a blip ago....

This is my first phone .... 1994 .... Am I old enough ?

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The funny thing is you might hate the iPhone more than anything in the world, but whether you favor Android, Windows, Blackberry, etc., you owe what you personally consider to be good technology to this one day in history. Thank you, Steve, for fueling the smartphone revolution and encouraging amazing technology to flourish.
 
The "It's patented" line in that keynote was probably the most important line. It got a huge laugh but in reality Apple patenting the **** out of the iPhone has saved Apple ass so many times. It's a sad sad world when talk of patents is more important than the actual product being patented. But it's a brave new world we live in.
 
I don't have this feeling. Probably most non US-residents doesn't share this feeling.
And you are guessing wrong. The iPhone keynote was a global event. Even the main evening news in Germany was reporting about Apple, for the very first time in history. Up until then the company was completely ignored by the public.
My first smartphone was a Nokia N95 8GB.
Wrong! There were no smartphones before the iPhone. The "so-called smartphones" as Jobs describes them in his keynote, were better feature-phones, nothing more.
I really and honestly don't understand all this frenesi around iPhone. It's maybe the first good looking, usable touchscreen phone, but that's it.
As always the problem with people who deny the effect of the iPhone, is that they only look at the hardware and never at the software. Having a touchscreen means nothing. Using a touchscreen to operate a full featured mobile operating system, thats what makes a smartphone.
I'm a computer user, so at that time I was more impressed with N95's features...
The company you were impressed by, went from biggest and most profitable mobile phone company in the world to total bankruptcy and loss of independency in just seven years because of the iPhone. Without the iPhone Nokia would still be king.
 
500 dollars? Fully subsidized? With a plan? I said that is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn’t appeal to business customers because it doesn’t have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine. Right now, we’re selling millions and millions and millions of phones a year. Apple is selling zero phones a year. In six months, they’ll have the most expensive phone by far ever in the marketplace
Hahaha, ***** Steve Ballmer...laughing off the iPhone. What a fool he was!
 
I have to totally agree with you.

I look at that great video (and love it) And think to myself...
Hey 2007, now 2014 It's barely changed at all.
Sure specs have changed, but fundamentally that same UI for 7 years.

Then to just place the same UI onto a 10" tablet was unforgivable :(

It WAS great, but they've been riding this way for 7 years.
We deserve more than a few tweeks by now

How did Windows look and feel from 95-7? The same. And then, Windows 8 Ui changed, people screamed at MS.
Why change something that worked so well?
 
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Watching this keynote makes me with they brought the split view back in mail, now that we have the bigger screen.
 

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Wrong! There were no smartphones before the iPhone. The "so-called smartphones" as Jobs describes them in his keynote, were better feature-phones, nothing more.

Using a touchscreen to operate a full featured mobile operating system, thats what makes a smartphone.
So, you(and Steve) are now the authority on the definition of a smartphone. :rolleyes:
 
Well... I said "touchscreen phone"... there were a lot of good looking, non-touchscreen, usable smartphones. For example, in phones with numeric keypad we could run video game emulators nicely. I liked running Phantasy Star on my N95 8GB... touchscreen models never reproduced such playability.

That's what I said: if touchscreen was mandatory for you, then iPhone was a paradigm shift. Otherwise, it was just a good looking, usable touchscreen phone. The competitors had GPS, 3G, IR, better cameras (even front ones) and so on at that time.

As a former N95 owner (and almost EVERY Nokia Smartphone before iPhone introduction) I can say: are you serious ?
Usable smartphones ? Those crappy Symbian toys ? OMG ....
 
Apple pretty much was a self-contained universe of a computer company until two major things happened, which was the introduction of the iPod which divided Apple's attention from just the computer/computer OS maker and later with the iPhone which totally refocused Apple into being a consumer electronic gadget company.

As a gadget company, they made those gadgets necessary to live in the 21st century thus making Apple the top high tech company in the industry. I knew Apple had changed when the Apple Store in the mall was referred to as the iPod store, and then probably the iPhone store by many others. I never saw that many people switch to Mac since they were living off their iPhones so much that if they even got a Mac, that would sit there largely unused because iPad filled the need that the computer once used to have.

The early Steve Jobs rantings of the iPod and consumer electronics as the future and it all going to the stuff you carry in your pocket and thus being so much bigger than the personal computer initially sounded like hype, but it turned out to be true and the source of over 80% percent of Apple's income. Being a Mac fan I was not initially fond of iPhone and iPod getting all the love but it was for a bigger purpose. We couldn't just survive forever on Steve's genius marketing so he knew that if Apple got into something sound on the long run, like iPod/iPhone/iTunes, then the company would be safe for decades like an IBM or Microsoft. Anyway, iPhone, well done!

Macs plus related accessories appear to be somewhere under 20% percent and iPhone is where most of the company is focused:

http://www.macworld.com/article/205...p-but-net-profits-down-in-fourth-quarter.html

I wouldn't be surprised if I am the only poster on this thread with a Mac but without iPhone, iPod, and any iTunes downloads.
 
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I agree with you. A computer should work as a washing machine for the user who wants an easy-to-use tool for his/her professional and personal stuff. I just tried to put in perspective all the exaltation over the original iPhone. To me, there were better options at that time, but I agree that iPhone was a beautifully made phone very capable for a lot of users. But Nokia and Blackberry were still very popular at that time and maybe a lot of brainwash driven by the press was needed to convince worldwide users that they couldn't be happy without a touchscreen.

Even today, iPhone isn't the best seller worldwide, probably Samsung is the top seller and even Nokia still sells good on its not-so-smart line. The merit of iPhone, I guess, is convincing everyone that "without a good touchscreen user experience, you won't be happy" so all the competitors began producing touchscreen phones and this gave Apple a big competitive advantage.

I think the most exciting phones today are the Galaxy Note III and S4. Both have very good cameras, and the user has a great tweaking control if he/she wants. Of course, it's my personal opinion. I hate Samsung laptops though. No way they'll reach the elegance of a Mac trackpad or doing well on the reliability side...
Yeah, very excited in bringing with me a ridiculously huge 6" device supposed to make phone calls ....
Here again, fandroids storming the forum with off topic posts, trying hard to save the world from Apple products.
This was Samsung concept of smartphone in 2007 .... I will never NEVER STOP thanking Apple for what they did with iPhone.

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And what about if Apple launches a 5" iPhone? Isn't it started with Galaxy S4 or Galaxy Note?
What is started with Galaxy ? The ridiculous rush to the bigger screen trying hard to sell more than other otherwise identical droids ?

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Comparison pictures like that pretend that virtually every cell phone turned into a touch slab. The fact is, the various phone styles in the photo (bar, flip, slider, etc) continue to be made, and still account for half the world's sales.

Samsung's trial comparison chart pointed this out:

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That chart end in 2010 (barely, since most models are from 2008-2009).
It is 2014 dude ;)

It is just a pathetic attempt to defend himself by Samsung ....
 
So, you (and Steve) are now the authority on the definition of a smartphone. :rolleyes:
Of course I am. Who else but me could be an authority on anything? And my view is consistent with what happened to Nokia in the past seven years. You know some call it, the reality (distortion field). Nokia never had a competitive smartphone. They coined the term, but they never had the real thing. If you don't believe me, try to explain how else Nokia could have vanished!
 
This is my first phone .... 1994 .... Am I old enough ?

Memories! I had a company phone similar to that one around 1993.

Back then, there was no such thing as automatic roaming in many parts of the US. I remember a long trip driving from Canada down through the Dakotas to Colorado, while talking almost continuously on the phone.

Every time I passed from one carrier's towers to another, the call would drop. I had to dial the 800 roaming access number for that particular area, enter a code PIN, then enter the number I wanted to dial. It was a tedious mess to stay connected.

Hahaha, ***** Steve Ballmer...laughing off the iPhone. What a fool he was!

Ballmer was correct about the price being too high at first for USA buyers. It only took a couple of months before Apple realized it, too, and dropped the price by a rather large 1/3. The next year they joined every other maker by allowing carrier subsidies.

The "It's patented" line in that keynote was probably the most important line. It got a huge laugh but in reality Apple patenting the **** out of the iPhone has saved Apple ass so many times.

When have iPhone patents saved Apple's ass? Even if they had none, they'd still be doing great.

It's a sad sad world when talk of patents is more important than the actual product being patented. But it's a brave new world we live in.

I'd like to see a list of the "200 patents" he claimed they filed, because I never found that many, and they only use about a dozen in trials.

Wrong! There were no smartphones before the iPhone. The "so-called smartphones" as Jobs describes them in his keynote, were better feature-phones, nothing more.

Hmm. I think you have a strange idea of what a smartphone is.

Using a touchscreen to operate a full featured mobile operating system, thats what makes a smartphone.

Again, no. An input method does not define a smartphone. You could have one that worked only by voice or air gestures, for example. In the future, perhaps brain waves. A touch screen is not a requirement.

Heck, the iPhone itself was unusable without a working primary physical button for many years.

OTOH, even old Windows Mobile smartphones could be used via only their touchscreen if you wished, because they included an onscreen Start button.
 
I read an interview where they were talking about how the phone was so incredibly buggy it would crash constantly, but Steve insisted on doing a live demo, so the engineers managed to find one specific way the phone could demo all the features he showed without crashing. Such an incredible showman and perfectionist. I miss that guy...

I've heard they actually used different phones since some did a few things right while others didn't. And the wi-fi signal indicator was fake, to avoid showing the sporadic failures of the wi-fi on the phone.

I wonder if Ballmer is still laughing....?
 
As a former N95 owner (and almost EVERY Nokia Smartphone before iPhone introduction) I can say: are you serious ?
Usable smartphones ? Those crappy Symbian toys ? OMG ....

Crappy Symbian toys? Well, it had a nice Google Maps app (with Google Buzz support), Gmail native app, Nokia Maps (I traveled by car through Italy guided by Nokia Maps navigation). Seriously, you never had a N95 or didn't used so much time. Probably you took an iPhone after a couple of months owning a N95. Also, this 2007 "dinosaur" had Flickr sharing support, allowing sending pictures taken with that (at the time) very nice 5MP autofocus camera. Which phone was a toy?
 
This video still gives me goosebumps. I can't believe it has been 7 years. Still remember those stays as if it happened yesterday.
 
Yeah, very excited in bringing with me a ridiculously huge 6" device supposed to make phone calls ....
Here again, fandroids storming the forum with off topic posts, trying hard to save the world from Apple products.
This was Samsung concept of smartphone in 2007 .... I will never NEVER STOP thanking Apple for what they did with iPhone.[/COLOR]

Well, thanks to my Galaxy Note, I don't need having a tablet AND a smartphone. If it had processing power enough to serve as a mobile workstation, it would be even better. I'm only sorry for the camera which doesn't beat my 'old' Nokia N8 with 12MP in an 1/1.8" sensor.

I'm not talking only about specs. Let's talk about software: what can you say about the fact that iPhone doesn't have a decent Swype keyboard alternative? You can argue that "iPhone virtual keyboard is the best", but it's clearly not the case. So let's talk about browsing the device's filesystem. You can say "no one should browse a phone's filesystem". Again, you would be wrong. Not allowing filesystem browsing is a business restriction. Users are always thankful for more features. If you want make a user interface cleaner, hiding exoteric features, it's easy to add advanced options in a deep menu allowing users to unlock them if he/she wants.

However, I agree that the first iPhone was beautiful, did elegantly basic smartphone stuff through a touchscreen.
 
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