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... Do you consider maybe Apple is infact different and innovative (notch/bezeless), but everyone immediately copies them? Now everyone has a notch. Last october if you chucked all the available phones on a table - the iPhone would have stood out. Now? Not so much.

Check my post again, I referenced the iPhone 6, not the X.

If anything, it looked liked Apple was the guilty party when it came to copying when the 6 was announced.
 
The only explanation I have for this terrible choice is that Steve wanted to sunk the ship. And it’s right on schedule...
 
It is unfortunate what happened to Mr. Jobs. However, Mr. Cook has more than aptly stepped into a tough job and showed the world and its' doubters and naysayers, the stuff he is made of by growing apples business tremendously.

tough job???
well not everyone can do that, but I would say with the success, money, market share, ability to negoitate and the team (Phil, Jony ...Craig ...etc). I hate to say it, I dont think he really done anything to maintain and move apple forward. sure you can say its first trillion dollar , but at what cost?
it is no longer the apple that truly have passion about brining innovation , fighting the big fish (Microsoft..etc) have to really be different and unique and creative to gain marketshare.

again money maker doesn't equal to great innovative company and if you look at history, you know the greatest ruler, or any period , till the demise usually last few successors. why? coz a strong foundation can take many years to be ruined but doesn't mean the first successor is good.

thats why there is a saying. wealth dont pass over 3 generations. Tim is like the 2nd generations and sadly apple may not "lose" in his hand but it would start with him
 
It's always been about money.

Take the MacBook Air that Jobs introduced in 2008...

1 USB port, non user-upgradeable 2GB of RAM, an 80GB spinning hard disk, a non user-removable battery, and an underpowered CPU that still caused overheating issues...all for the price of $1,799.
It's always been about money.

Take the MacBook Air that Jobs introduced in 2008...

1 USB port, non user-upgradeable 2GB of RAM, an 80GB spinning hard disk, a non user-removable battery, and an underpowered CPU that still caused overheating issues...all for the price of $1,799.
For the era the MacBook Air was a massive achievement there was no other Laptop like it and many manufacturers were trying to copy it for years and they failed. Steve Jobs was justifiably proud. The cost of $1,799 was realistic as with all new tech. The latest much more powerful MacBook Air is $750 that is over $1000 less. Your argument is not valid. New tech is expensive it has always been that way no matter who the manufacturer is
 
tough job???
well not everyone can do that, but I would say with the success, money, market share, ability to negoitate and the team (Phil, Jony ...Craig ...etc). I hate to say it, I dont think he really done anything to maintain and move apple forward. sure you can say its first trillion dollar , but at what cost?
it is no longer the apple that truly have passion about brining innovation , fighting the big fish (Microsoft..etc) have to really be different and unique and creative to gain marketshare.

again money maker doesn't equal to great innovative company and if you look at history, you know the greatest ruler, or any period , till the demise usually last few successors. why? coz a strong foundation can take many years to be ruined but doesn't mean the first successor is good.

thats why there is a saying. wealth dont pass over 3 generations. Tim is like the 2nd generations and sadly apple may not "lose" in his hand but it would start with him
Okay one opinion vs another. Nothing wrong with that.
 
"I believe Apple’s brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it."

Well, sorry Steve. We all appreciate the positivity, but Cook is a politician, not a visionary. The company is doing well, but not because of the innovation it held during the early days, but because of product loyalty and marketing. It won't last forever. A few more years of playing catch-up with Samsung and things will change.
 
If Steve Jobs was such a visionary, it seems strange that the naysayers on here Question the most important decision he made: choosing a successor. It is also worth pointing out that many OTHER people left Apple in the years preceding and following Jobs’ death, and that many of them were key innovators themselves on Apple’s most iconic products. But this is normal in companies. I’m not sure exactly what people think Steve would have “invented” that we do not have today. I think we just happen to be at a point in tech where there was such rapid development that now everything has plateaued. All of the criticism I hear today was there when Steve was around too. See: pricing of pro notebooks and removing legacy ports. You think the current models are expensive? Go look at the price of the titanium PowerBook g4, factor in inflation, and get back to me.
 
Apple has become more profitable and more business minded under Cook. This has been great for business and has made the company into a bigger powerhouse than it would have ever been under Jobs.
However, I think Apple lost the allure they once had under Jobs and this allure is what the so called "fanboys" adored about Apple. Apple products are still very well built and look great for the most part, but they lack the magical feeling they once had. THIS is what Jobs brought that nobody can ever replace.
 
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A very very very sad day for Apple

Sad day for the world. Just goes to show you that, as smart as Steve was with technology and business, he wasn't smart in every way. He waited too long to get the type of medical treatment that may have saved him, or at least extended his life by many years.

We miss you, Steve. Thank you for creating a company that has inspired me for the past 25 years.

Now, Tim, bring on the BEST Macs that Apple has ever created. And the *entire* product line, not just half of it!
 
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Sad day for the world. Just goes to show you that, as smart as Steve was with technology and business, he wasn't smart in every way. He waited too long to get the type of medical treatment that may have saved him, or at least extended his life by many years.

We miss you, Steve. Thank you for creating a company that has inspired me for the past 25 years.

Now, Tim, bring on the BEST Macs that Apple has ever created. And the *entire* product line, not just half of it!
I can fully agree with this rational post. It's not the profits first, customers second meme we've all come to know and love.
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"I believe Apple’s brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it."

Well, sorry Steve. We all appreciate the positivity, but Cook is a politician, not a visionary. The company is doing well, but not because of the innovation it held during the early days, but because of product loyalty and marketing. It won't last forever. A few more years of playing catch-up with Samsung and things will change.
I'm taking the "things will change" as a reference to "apple is doomed". Please let me know if I'm mistaken in that.

However, if anything Tim Cook has taught us, "things will change" is an understatement, especially since it was predicted that Cook would kill apple. Look where they are now. Some people (@Radon87000) saw one or two minor down quarters (within a stellar year) as proof positive apple is sinking. Things may change alright, but in the realm of thinking anything can happen, Samsung can also go under.

One bets against apple to their own detriment.
 
I can fully agree with this rational post. It's not the profits first, customers second meme we've all come to know and love.
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I'm taking the "things will change" as a reference to "apple is doomed". Please let me know if I'm mistaken in that.

However, if anything Tim Cook has taught us, "things will change" is an understatement, especially since it was predicted that Cook would kill apple. Look where they are now. Some people (@Radon87000) saw one or two minor down quarters (within a stellar year) as proof positive apple is sinking. Things may change alright, but in the realm of thinking anything can happen, Samsung can also go under.

One bets against apple to their own detriment.
Clearly if you have nene following what I have been saying over the years, the maximum profits always come in when there is a design change which is later on followed by a slump. Considering the fact that Apple are now going to milk this design for 5 more years, the down quarters should start showing up soon once everyone who is tired of the dated design upgrades.

Let's not forget what happened with the iPhone 6. Record profits followed by down quarters for 2 iPhone iterations. This is huge because in the Jobs era here were ZERO down quarters throughout his tenure on the iPhone.

Also Tim Cook Apple is always profits first. Don't forget Throttlegate and Touch Disease. Beware the next iOS update. Who knows what the evil Apple has cooked up for you. I am guessing a brightness downgrade patch for those trash tier LG oled displays thanks to burn in under a professional headline of "display optimisations'. Not enough for transparency but enough to win a lawsuit.
 
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Also if Samsung goes under, who will make those screaming fast SSDs am quality iPhone displays?
 
For the era the MacBook Air was a massive achievement there was no other Laptop like it and many manufacturers were trying to copy it for years and they failed. Steve Jobs was justifiably proud. The cost of $1,799 was realistic as with all new tech. The latest much more powerful MacBook Air is $750 that is over $1000 less. Your argument is not valid. New tech is expensive it has always been that way no matter who the manufacturer is

I'm sorry. My argument, presented as a response to a previous claim, is valid. That it whooshed over your head is something that is not under my control.
 
Clearly if you have nene following what I have been saying over the years, the maximum profits always come in when there is a design change which is later on followed by a slump.
In other news, water is wet. The phenomenon you describe happens in many industries. Automobile industry comes to mind as a prime example of this phenomenon.

Considering the fact that Apple are now going to milk this design for 5 more years, the down quarters should start showing up soon once everyone who is tired of the dated design upgrades.
This “milking” philosophy gotnapple to 1T. So whatever they are doing their customers are buying.

Let's not forget what happened with the iPhone 6. Record profits followed by down quarters for 2 iPhone iterations. This is huge because in the Jobs era here were ZERO down quarters throughout his tenure on the iPhone.
What does a down quarter signify, nothing, because cook took Apple to 1T. He will go down in the history books for that. And the year ended up great for Timmy. Jobs is gone and this is cooks Apple.

Also Tim Cook Apple is always profits first. Don't forget Throttlegate and Touch Disease. Beware the next iOS update. Who knows what the evil Apple has cooked up for you. I am guessing a brightness downgrade patch for those trash tier LG oled displays thanks to burn in under a professional headline of "display optimisations'. Not enough for transparency but enough to win a lawsuit.
Nothing like trotting our the profits first meme. Frankly my portfolio is happy about that. And the customers that are throwing their money at Apple don’t care either.

As far as winning lawsuits, clearly because a home court advantage.
 
Do you people really think Apple was steve jobs? The man who said himself It doesn't make sense to hire smart people and then tell them what to do; we hire smart people so they can tell us what to do.” You don’t think his team of talent helped him create the iPhone iPad iPod etc? Get real people. Steve was only as good as the people who worked for him. With how toxic he was as a person and boss, I highly doubt that talent would still be around to this day if he was.
 
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and tim cook has not done anything other than to continue to milk the iphone
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And here are just a few facts to support Cook's leadership of Apple:
  • Cook has taken the stock from an adjusted $50/share to $215.
  • Cook has created around $700 BILLION in shareholder value.
  • Cook has over doubled total revenue from $100B in 2011 to $230B in 2017.
  • Cook has taken iPhone from 70M units/yr to well over 210M.
  • Cook has introduced the best selling Watch in the world.
  • Cook has taken "other products" with Watch, Airpods, HomePod, etc to $20B/yr business.
  • Cook has made Apple the undisputed leader in Mobile Silicon
  • Cook has pushed Services into a 30% growth, $30B/yr business.
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and tim cook has not done anything other than to continue to milk the iphone
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anyone who took over in 2011, would have been the same results, the iphone was on the rise
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I did not realize that the Airpods, Apple Watch and HomePod were out 7 years ago. I must have missed the announcement while Steve was alive.

airpod, homepod and apple watch are not innovative products

and homepod not selling so well

apple watch, sales at best mediocre, still a niche product after 3 years
 
True. The company was never this prosperous under Steve Jobs.

Yes, it was. The issue is that you only see it through the lens of money.
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And here are just a few facts to support Cook's leadership of Apple:
  • Cook has taken the stock from an adjusted $50/share to $215.
  • Cook has created around $700 BILLION in shareholder value.
  • Cook has over doubled total revenue from $100B in 2011 to $230B in 2017.
  • Cook has taken iPhone from 70M units/yr to well over 210M.
  • Cook has introduced the best selling Watch in the world.
  • Cook has taken "other products" with Watch, Airpods, HomePod, etc to $20B/yr business.
  • Cook has made Apple the undisputed leader in Mobile Silicon
  • Cook has pushed Services into a 30% growth, $30B/yr business.

Your post is only about money and not the quality of the products. Your post is a perfect example to what happens when a society only thinks about dreams of avarice.
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I hope they have a succession plan for Jony Ive

A younger, thinner, less bald designer? I.e. Ives vision of himself in his minds eye.
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I would like to know Steve Jobs's opinion on this matter.

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He's turning in his grave.
 
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I'm sorry. My argument, presented as a response to a previous claim, is valid. That it whooshed over your head is something that is not under my control.
Not so. The original Wide Screen TV set the consumer back big money. Now the same technology (and massively improved) is a fraction of the price. The MacBook Air back in 2008 was groundbreaking. No other Manufacturers were able to match the MacBook Air until at least 2011. There were many failed attempts but ultimately it couldn't be matched whilst the MacBook Air was improving all the time. That is why the MacBook Air commands a spot in the Mac lineup.
 
I think the most detrimental aspect of Steve leaving is that there is nobody to push back on Jony Ive who is brilliant but favors form over function. A lot of design decisions he has made leave one going ??? :confused:
You know the whole accusation that Apple favored form over function started while Steve was CEO. I’d argue many of Apple’s more recent decisions are the opposite. Like charging the Apple Pencil via lightning port. Works great but looks silly. Or how about the iPhone battery case? All of the criticism was around how it looked not how it worked. Same could be said about Apple Watch. How many people said “eww” because the Watch face isn’t round...but a round face isn’t more functional (might even be less); it just looks better to some. Or iPhone X notch. There’s a functional reason it exists but people hate on it because they don’t think it looks good.
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In fairness, the 4S was the much better phone. Still use it today.
IMO, the X is the first phone since the 4S that I like holding in my hand.
Just wasn't prepared to shell out close to 900 CHF for it (via carrier subsidies). We'll see for how much it goes this year.
Sure, point is people here went nuts over black antenna lines absolutely positive Steve Jobs would never approve of something like that. Of course he did. People need to quit with the “Steve Jobs wouldn’t have...” nonsense.
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Hes turning in his grave.
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You know the whole accusation that Apple favored form over function started while Steve was CEO. I’d argue many of Apple’s more recent decisions are the opposite. Like charging the Apple Pencil via lightning port. Works great but looks silly. Or how about the iPhone battery case? All of the criticism was around how it looked not how it worked. Same could be said about Apple Watch. How many people said “eww” because the Watch face isn’t round...but a round face isn’t more functional (might even be less); it just looks better to some. Or iPhone X notch. There’s a functional reason it exists but people hate on it because they don’t think it looks good.
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Sure, point is people here went nuts over black antenna lines absolutely positive Steve Jobs would never approve of something like that. Of course he did. People need to quit with the “Steve Jobs wouldn’t have...” nonsense.
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Really?

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Agreed on all fronts. Bottom line is people just can’t handle change. Anything they don’t personally like they blame on Tim Cook and the current management. It was in many ways worse for Jobs, especially when he returned to Apple. Tons of pushback when he started making changes. And you reference several good examples of Jobs-approved products that many questioned. The man was just a human being in that regard. Obviously he was instrumental in setting a high bar. However, what he had more than anything else was showmanship and marketing prowess that came naturally. A genuine, open enthusiasm for the products that came across in public. I have no doubt Cook is just as enthusiastic, but his public persona just isn’t the same (I can’t think of anyone with the public persona of Jobs though, and That isn’t Cook’s fault). So what most people are missing is that the products today are as good (if not better) than ever, but we are missing the sales pitch prowess that Jobs had. Tim seemed to try and channel Jobs in some of his early speeches after Steve died, and it just felt forced. I think Tim is finding his own voice now, after some early uncertainty, and he has wisely adopts a team approach more frequently than Jobs did in presenting and marketing products. There will never be another Steve in this regard, but the products are spectacular. Perfect? No. But no product is perfect; Apple gets the closest though in this industry.
 
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Not so. The original Wide Screen TV set the consumer back big money. Now the same technology (and massively improved) is a fraction of the price. The MacBook Air back in 2008 was groundbreaking. No other Manufacturers were able to match the MacBook Air until at least 2011. There were many failed attempts but ultimately it couldn't be matched whilst the MacBook Air was improving all the time. That is why the MacBook Air commands a spot in the Mac lineup.

Your head-whoosh response to my original argument continues. I'm sorry. Have a great day.
 
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