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Which is easy to do. If I gave you 1 billion dollars and asked you to innovate that’s relatively easy to do. Coming up with innovation from zero which is what Jobs did is difficult.
You postulate it’s easy to do, but Jobs picked Cook, not another person. Therefore, ergo, Jobs counters your postulation it’s not easy to do.

Jobs picked the person he thought would be the best. That doesn’t mean everyone else would be disqualified. Once the Cook era is over, Apple will be handed over to anyone who the Board feels like it and I guarantee you will see absolutely no difference.
That Jobs picked Cook means That means everyone else is disqualified. I guarantee after cook there will be a difference, and not in the positive.

Do car manufacturers intentionally put in defective components in cars?
No, and neither does Apple.

The LG display can’t even display colours and I mean this literally. It displays yellow as orange. Literally every one of their displays is infested with problems. Every one of Samsung’s displays is not infested with problems.
This is all hypotheticals.
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Jobs was handed a bankrupt company which he single handedly turned into the most profitable company on the planet. Tim Cook took what Jobs gave him and iterated on it. Without Job’s vision the iPhone product category does not exist. Just look at the profit share. iPhone makes up a majority of the pie as it did when Jobs was around. No changes.
Cook was handed a functioning company with room to grow. He executed a brilliant plan to grow the customer base. The plan succeeded and now Cook will go down in the history books.

The iPhone 4 antennagate was a flaw with Apple’s then flagship product. No company is stupid enough to sabotage its current flagship. Touch Disease and Throttlegate affect only older phones.
This was a big chink in the armor of Jobs perfection. He screwed the pooch with this one.

Apple would have reached 1T even if Jobs was still CEO. The iPhone was already shooting off the charts when Cook took over.
More hypotheticals.
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The first thought that comes to mind is charging customers $10 for a 3.5mm to lightning adapter. Then $19 for a usb-c to lightning/usb-a. Let’s not forget you can’t connect an iPhone to a 2016+ Mac without buying an adapter.

Definitely customer first
The customers that bought into Apple's ecosystem, disagree with you. Enough bought in to raise revenue and profits and the market has spoken about apple.
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It’s a matter of priority and it reflects in the product catalog which is a mess currently.

SJ was product minded first. TC cares about appeasing wall street first and product 2nd.

Example: why can’t an iPhone X connect to a new MacBook Pro without a dongle?
That's a reflection on the minimalism of Cook's thinking, not the profit minded motive that is thought of. New directions for Apple and if you are referring to the Macs as the product catalog, I believe he has a plan.
So, you have no real arguments and can only point to money, gotcha. Cook has no vision, see: Mac lineup.
So you have only to point the Mac as proof that Apple is a mess?
The first thought that comes to mind is charging customers $10 for a 3.5mm to lightning adapter. Then $19 for a usb-c to lightning/usb-a. Let’s not forget you can’t connect an iPhone to a 2016+ Mac without buying an adapter.

Definitely customer first
The price is the price. Want a nav system in a car? You have to buy other options and pay a few thousand dollars. The price is the price. Seems like a trend is in place that we all will see the vision for at some point in time, but people are mistakenly attributing it to a money grab.
 
The customers that bought into Apple's ecosystem, disagree with you. Enough bought in to raise revenue and profits and the market has spoken about apple.

I am one of those many customers, and I still disagree with you. The weight you put on revenue and profits has no bearings on customer's purchasing choices. If customers want to use their existing headphones and don't have an adapter, what is the path of least resistance in order to get their headphones to work?

The price is the price. Want a nav system in a car? You have to buy other options and pay a few thousand dollars. The price is the price. Seems like a trend is in place that we all will see the vision for at some point in time, but people are mistakenly attributing it to a money grab.

I wouldn't compare the adapters I listed to a nav system. They are incongruent to each other. A nav system since its inception has always been an upgrade and not a baseline feature even for many premium cars today. The adapters are a requirement to getting the baseline features to work. If it wasn't a money grab, explain the markup Apple has on their accessories compared to 3rd party.
 
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right so big timmy does not want to reveal apple watch numbers,
this is the first product under his tenure, if the number is so good
he should be beating his chest. and this is also his chance to step
out of steve job shadow. while i do see more apple watches in the wild,
still a niche product.

and other product category include other things besides the apple
watch too, like dongles.....
He is beating his chest...number 1 watch in the world and dongles are a fraction of “other” products. I’m aware of what comprises other.

Cook sells 3X the iPhones as when Jobs was alive. That’s not all because of Steve. Jobs thought 4inch was the perfect size...wrong.

Revealing unit sales was always stupid and Cook is right not to. They should stop disclosing iPhone unit sales too.
 
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Steve, unfortunately, was wrong. Apple has not innovated since he handed over the reigns to Tim. Tim and Apple only iterate and acquire. The flash and pomp of the logo is still there, but who kept the company innovative died. Today Youtubers are switching to Dell, schools are switching to Windows, and Apple is dropping LESS profitable peripheral products in favor of focusing more on the iPhone. They're abandoning their core. When the day comes they need the evangelical customers that kept them alive in their darkest hour, they'll find them gone. Smartphones may look like the future, but they're a commodity. Real work, creative work, happens in creative spaces. Apple may not even realize it, but they're cutting their future short. They'll simply be a big, bloated cash pile soon.


Today marks the seventh anniversary of the late Steve Jobs resigning as CEO of Apple. In a letter addressed to Apple's Board of Directors, dated August 24, 2011, Jobs strongly recommended then-COO Tim Cook be named his successor.

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Letter from Steve Jobs:Apple's Board of Directors approved the request, effective immediately, with Jobs elected Chairman of the Board. Jobs reportedly remained closely involved with Apple's strategic decision-making until passing away October 5, 2011.

Article Link: Seven Years Ago Today: Steve Jobs Resigns as CEO of Apple, Tim Cook Named His Successor[/QUOTE]
 
Tim Cook figured out what Steve Jobs couldn't, profit is inversely proportional to quality.
 
Maybe. Looking at Apple's track record, Steve accomplished everything Tim's credited for, except scale, which is a function of time- and limited to the product.
 
Steve, unfortunately, was wrong. Apple has not innovated since he handed over the reigns to Tim. Tim and Apple only iterate and acquire. The flash and pomp of the logo is still there, but who kept the company innovative died. Today Youtubers are switching to Dell, schools are switching to Windows, and Apple is dropping LESS profitable peripheral products in favor of focusing more on the iPhone. They're abandoning their core. When the day comes they need the evangelical customers that kept them alive in their darkest hour, they'll find them gone. Smartphones may look like the future, but they're a commodity. Real work, creative work, happens in creative spaces. Apple may not even realize it, but they're cutting their future short. They'll simply be a big, bloated cash pile soon.
Apple has done very well. Whatever your personal metric is for how apple is doing, they are far from dying. With Buffet investing in the company, I'm betting along his line of thinking, rather than your "apple will be doomed" line of thinking.
 
Tim Cook dresses like Tim Cook. As in, he wasn't trying to look like Steve Jobs. LOL. I loved Steve, but y'all crack me up.
 
and tim cook has not done anything other than to continue to milk the iphone


airpod, homepod and apple watch are not innovative products

and homepod not selling so well

apple watch, sales at best mediocre, still a niche product after 3 years

Just to clarify, those are not "innovative products" in your opinion. The Apple Watch has helped me lose weight and been extremely valuable in my every day life. I love my HomePod FAR more than any Echo or Google Home products I owned previously, and the airpods are the best product in their category of truly wireless earbuds, in my opinion.
 
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You postulate it’s easy to do, but Jobs picked Cook, not another person. Therefore, ergo, Jobs counters your postulation it’s not easy to do.


That Jobs picked Cook means That means everyone else is disqualified. I guarantee after cook there will be a difference, and not in the positive.

So Apple is doomed once Cook era is over? Apple becomes bankrupt?


No, and neither does Apple

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/24/apple-knew-about-bendgate-and-touch-disease/
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...-apple-used-slowdowns-to-avoid-fixing-defects

is all hypotheticals.

No it's a fact. Each and every review and every forum is full of complaints on LG's displays. There was a comparison made to Samsung from 2012 and even the Samsung display from 2012 was better

Cook was handed a functioning company with room to grow. He executed a brilliant plan to grow the customer base. The plan succeeded and now Cook will go down in the history books.

I am glad we agree. Jobs was handed a bankrupt company which was a mess and thankfully he came up with a product line which gave Cook a customer base in the first place. There is no customer base to grow without Jobs.


This was a big chink in the armor of Jobs perfection. He screwed the pooch with this one.

Yes and you know what Jobs did. He was upfront about it. Talked about it at the keynote. He accepted it. Unlike a certain bean counter who hides behind legal documents and malware updates to disguise his faults.


More hypotheticals.

Well we will get a chance to find out. My guess is once Cook retires and is replaced with some random, the Apple story continues like it did before proving Cook was nothing out of the extraordinary.
 
So Apple is doomed once Cook era is over? Apple becomes bankrupt?
Apple is doomed is your meme. I’m believing smaller record breaking quarters.

Apple knew about it in the same way car manufacturers know about bumper damage in a collision.

No it's a fact. Each and every review and every forum is full of complaints on LG's displays. There was a comparison made to Samsung from 2012 and even the Samsung display from 2012 was better
The only fact is that you don’t know the part number of the displays in the new as yet unreleased/unannounced phones.

I am glad we agree. Jobs was handed a bankrupt company which was a mess and thankfully he came up with a product line which gave Cook a customer base in the first place. There is no customer base to grow without Jobs.
Of course we agree cook stepped in to a running company. But cook invented the 5s, 6,6s, 7, 8 and x as well as airports, apple watch, homepods, atv 4 as well as broadened the services base. And then took Apple to 1T.

Without the prior art that existed jobs wouldn’t have been able to do jack. So let’s drop The Who did stuff first.

Yes and you know what Jobs did. He was upfront about it. Talked about it at the keynote. He accepted it. Unlike a certain bean counter who hides behind legal documents and malware updates to disguise his faults.
Yeah, he offered a case as a booby prize.

Well we will get a chance to find out. My guess is once Cook retires and is replaced with some random, the Apple story continues like it did before proving Cook was nothing out of the extraordinary.
Or the new ceo is handed a company valued at 1T with boatloads of cash. I mean a monkey could take the company to 2T from this point. Right?
 
Apple is doomed is your meme. I’m believing smaller record breaking quarters.

Never once said Apple is doomed. Sales and financials going down does not imply Apple is doomed.

I believe once Cook leaves, Apple will continue to function like it did before with similar patterns of record breaking quarters and I'll be here telling the Cook fans, I told you so.


Apple knew about it in the same way car manufacturers know about bumper damage in a collision.

So when car manufacturers know about a flaw, they keep quiet about it? Because that's what Apple did


The only fact is that you don’t know the part number of the displays in the new as yet unreleased/unannounced phones.

We have 2 companies. One of them is a veteran manufacturing OLED displays for a decade now. The other is an amateur and so far has produced substandard components with quick burn in and in 2017 cannot match a product from 2012. The company which is going to use both companies as a source for OLED displays is known for being quiet about flaws and believes in degrading customer experience rather than issue a recall if the flaw rears its ugly head a few years down the line.

Knowing this, any rational customer would be a complete fool or ignorant if he buys an iPhone XS Plus with an LG display. Remember you are on your own if something happens to it a year later


Of course we agree cook stepped in to a running company. But cook invented the 5s, 6,6s, 7, 8 and x as well as airports, apple watch, homepods, atv 4 as well as broadened the services base. And then took Apple to 1T
The homepod was a flop. The ATV4 flopped. No exact sales figures for the AW. The services were near zero when Cook took over the company. There was no way to go but up. That 1T is solely because of the iPhone. The iPhone which Jobs came up with finds a mention in articles about the greatest inventions of all time. It isn't hard to look at the competitors and come up with products which is what Cook did.



Yeah, he offered a case as a booby prize.
Cook opened his wallet only after his company was caught degrading customer experience. Even then he was silent about it and it was only after 20+ lawsuits worldwide did he finally relent. Jobs otoh admitted the flaw at the keynote. Jobs is a complete saint compared to Cook


Or the new ceo is handed a company valued at 1T with boatloads of cash. I mean a monkey could take the company to 2T from this point. Right?

The only job of the new CEO is to look at the upcoming trends and implement it in the phone which is the reason for that 1T. So yes, now its easy. Coming up with a product which can match the 65% revenue share of the iPhone in Apple's financials. That's hard and I don't think anyone can.
 
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Which is easy to do. If I gave you 1 billion dollars and asked you to innovate that’s relatively easy to do. Coming up with innovation from zero which is what Jobs did is difficult.
What Steve Jobs did was truly innovative, but let's not forget that he was able to accomplish what he did because he had a gigantic support network to turn his visions into reality. It wasn't just a one-man show on his part.

That said, I don't think that diminishes Tim Cook's achievements in any way. Nor do I think that growing a company is as easy or as straightforward as you are making it out to be. If that were the case, we wouldn't be seeing otherwise huge companies floundering today, if "innovation" simply involved throwing money at a problem to make it solve itself.

I mean, when you look at companies like Tesla, it's painfully obvious that there is a lot more which goes on behind the scenes to make a company function smoothly than a firebrand CEO with a big mouth and an even bigger ego.

Maybe they do have a great idea on paper, but that is moot if Tesla can't make enough cars to sell and pay the bills and keep the lights on. Because from what I see, there is a good chance that the company may well go bankrupt before any of this comes to fruition.

That Apple continues to grow and prosper in an ever-changing business landscape even after Steve Jobs is gone, let's give credit where credit is due.
 
Never once said Apple is doomed. Sales and financials going down does not imply Apple is doomed.

I believe once Cook leaves, Apple will continue to function like it did before with similar patterns of record breaking quarters and I'll be here telling the Cook fans, I told you so.
Of course Apple would function. Any ceo worth their salt could have also fixed apple instead of Steve Job. The way you're discussing this any two people could have kicked started Apple and moved it to 1T, it just happens to have been Jobs and Cook. So what's the point of this? Cook brought apple to a new, stable level, leaving a highly functioning company for the next person. Succession planning is probably underway, Jobs didn't have the luxury of a long time to be able to succession plan.

And yes, you have been saying apple is doomed for 5 years, and the only evidence is two down quarters in otherwise stellar record breaking years. You were once worried about Tim Cooks bonus, are you still worried?

So when car manufacturers know about a flaw, they keep quiet about it? Because that's what Apple did
Yes.

We have 2 companies. One of them is a veteran manufacturing OLED displays for a decade now. The other is an amateur and so far has produced substandard components with quick burn in and in 2017 cannot match a product from 2012. The company which is going to use both companies as a source for OLED displays is known for being quiet about flaws and believes in degrading customer experience rather than issue a recall if the flaw rears its ugly head a few years down the line.

Knowing this, any rational customer would be a complete fool or ignorant if he buys an iPhone XS Plus with an LG display. Remember you are on your own if something happens to it a year later
You still don't know because you can't show me any new iphone model that has a display that is sub-par.

The homepod was a flop. The ATV4 flopped. No exact sales figures for the AW. The services were near zero when Cook took over the company. There was no way to go but up. That 1T is solely because of the iPhone. The iPhone which Jobs came up with finds a mention in articles about the greatest inventions of all time. It isn't hard to look at the competitors and come up with products which is what Cook did.
How can you know if Homepod was a flop? How do you know what the sales targets are? (I can give a hint here, but it's not needed). Some here even thought AW was a flop when it was first released. All you can do, is apply your own biases and come up with an opinion, which most probably is different than Apples' view point.

No doubt the iphone 1,2,3,4 and 5 were great successes. But Tims' 5s, 6, 6s, 7,8,X were also. In fact, Tims' iphone 6 catapulted apple at the time it was released. Service revenues also increased under Timmy.

Cook opened his wallet only after his company was caught degrading customer experience. Even then he was silent about it and it was only after 20+ lawsuits worldwide did he finally relent. Jobs otoh admitted the flaw at the keynote. Jobs is a complete saint compared to Cook
Jobs gave away free cases, yep opened apples wallet. (I'll use that one example, because there is the best one :) )

Whose customer experiences were downgraded. Can you enumerate who? Mine wasn't. There are several hundred million apple customers, and it's easy to file a lawsuits. Lawsuits mean nothing. And Tim did what the CEO of all companies do, when faced with products that exhibit engineering issues, they analyze and then decide on the best course of action.

The only job of the new CEO is to look at the upcoming trends and implement it in the phone which is the reason for that 1T. So yes, now its easy. Coming up with a product which can match the 65% revenue share of the iPhone in Apple's financials. That's hard and I don't think anyone can.
Anybody can be handed a company if they are given a few billion in R&D develop new products. That's the new mantra, anybody can do it. If a monkey could do what Cook did, an ape could have done what Jobs did.
 
I think the biggest disappointment with Tim Cook has been his focus on social/political issues and his seemingly lack of focus on the Mac lineup. I don't Steve Jobs would have let Apple neglect the Mac lineup nearly as much as it was under Tim's watch.

Wow, I got a trolling warning from the moderator for this post. Really? How is it provocative?
 
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