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and tim cook has not done anything other than to continue to milk the iphone
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anyone who took over in 2011, would have been the same results, the iphone was on the rise
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airpod, homepod and apple watch are not innovative products

and homepod not selling so well

apple watch, sales at best mediocre, still a niche product after 3 years
Zero facts, all conjecture in your post.

Watch sales are growing rapidly and are likely the biggest driver in the “other products” category, which is bigger than most companies in the s&p 500 at around $20B in annual sales.
 
Zero facts, all conjecture in your post.

Watch sales are growing rapidly and are likely the biggest driver in the “other products” category, which is bigger than most companies in the s&p 500 at around $20B in annual sales.


right so big timmy does not want to reveal apple watch numbers,
this is the first product under his tenure, if the number is so good
he should be beating his chest. and this is also his chance to step
out of steve job shadow. while i do see more apple watches in the wild,
still a niche product.

and other product category include other things besides the apple
watch too, like dongles.....
 
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Agreed on all fronts. Bottom line is people just can’t handle change. Anything they don’t personally like they blame on Tim Cook and the current management. It was in many ways worse for Jobs, especially when he returned to Apple. Tons of pushback when he started making changes. And you reference several good examples of Jobs-approved products that many questioned. The man was just a human being in that regard. Obviously he was instrumental in setting a high bar. However, what he had more than anything else was showmanship and marketing prowess that came naturally. A genuine, open enthusiasm for the products that came across in public. I have no doubt Cook is just as enthusiastic, but his public persona just isn’t the same (I can’t think of anyone with the public persona of Jobs though, and That isn’t Cook’s fault). So what most people are missing is that the products today are as good (if not better) than ever, but we are missing the sales pitch prowess that Jobs had. Tim seemed to try and channel Jobs in some of his early speeches after Steve died, and it just felt forced. I think Tim is finding his own voice now, after some early uncertainty, and he has wisely adopts a team approach more frequently than Jobs did in presenting and marketing products. There will never be another Steve in this regard, but the products are spectacular. Perfect? No. But no product is perfect; Apple gets the closest though in this industry.
I just find it amusing when people play the form over function card. As if that never happened when Steve was CEO. People have been complaining about Apple caring more about aesthetics than function well before Tim Cook became CEO.
 
Wow has Tim aged in just seven years.

That aside though I never think Apple will return to where they were with Jobs. While I still will support Apple and continue to enjoy their products, I'll always treasure the products I own that were announced during the Steve Jobs Era of Apple.
 
In other news, water is wet. The phenomenon you describe happens in many industries. Automobile industry comes to mind as a prime example of this phenomenon.


This “milking” philosophy gotnapple to 1T. So whatever they are doing their customers are buying.


What does a down quarter signify, nothing, because cook took Apple to 1T. He will go down in the history books for that. And the year ended up great for Timmy. Jobs is gone and this is cooks Apple.


Nothing like trotting our the profits first meme. Frankly my portfolio is happy about that. And the customers that are throwing their money at Apple don’t care either.

As far as winning lawsuits, clearly because a home court advantage.

The iPhone was already a cash cow when Cook took over. You could have placed any ceo at the top and it would still have helped Apple reach 1T. What’s difficult is coming up with the product in the first place. A big fat inheritance and expanding it is no big deal.


I am glad your happy about your portfolio. Too bad those who got burnt by Touch Disease and throttlegate aren’t but I guess those who did are probably (like me) a part of that 20% in Timmy’s marketing chart.

I am now waiting for the day when Apple issues a software update secretly when they find out something wrong with the LG OLED display instead of a recall and how you justify it.
 
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The iPhone was already a cash cow when Cook took over.
The iPhone was doing well when Cook took over. Cook took the iPhone and apples earnings to a whole new level.

You could have placed any ceo at the top and it would still have helped Apple reach 1T. What’s difficult is coming up with the product in the first place. A big fat inheritance and expanding it is no big deal.
So that's the argument, anyone could have done it. If that was the case Jobs wouldn't have appointed cook and would have told the board to pick anyone they feel is qualified. If Jobs thought that "not anyone" could have done it, why should I listen to a random internet poster with an axe to grind about apple.

I am glad your happy about your portfolio. Too bad those who got burnt by Touch Disease and throttlegate aren’t but I guess those who did are probably (like me) a part of that 20% in Timmy’s marketing chart.
What's touch disease and throttle gate? Are those car recalls? Oh wait, nothing ever goes wrong in the manufacture of a product and car companies never issue recalls because they get it right 100%.

I am now waiting for the day when Apple issues a software update secretly when they find out something wrong with the LG OLED display instead of a recall and how you justify it.
You mean like "pink screen"?
 
Profits are not TCs vision, they happened due to TCs vision. In other words, customers first.
Profits= Tim Cook. Innovation-Jobs. I challenge you to find anything resembling Touch Disease or Throttlegate in Jobs era. You won't find anything. You won't find any down quarters either.
 
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Profits= Tim Cook. Innovation-Jobs. I challenge you to find anything resembling Touch Disease or Throttlegate in Jobs era. You won't find anything. You won't find any down quarters either.
Vision = TC and profits = vision. Jobs innovated sure. So does Cook. I'll leave it to the reader to find out things that went wrong in Jobs eras, but I will mention the iPhone 4.

May not find any down quarters, but you won't find 1T either. A down quarter is only a good internet talking point. Certain people should talk about 1T the same as a down quarter.
 
Profits are not TCs vision, they happened due to TCs vision. In other words, customers first.

It’s a matter of priority and it reflects in the product catalog which is a mess currently.

SJ was product minded first. TC cares about appeasing wall street first and product 2nd.

Example: why can’t an iPhone X connect to a new MacBook Pro without a dongle?
 
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Vision = TC and profits = vision. Jobs innovated sure. So does Cook. I'll leave it to the reader to find out things that went wrong in Jobs eras, but I will mention the iPhone 4.

May not find any down quarters, but you won't find 1T either. A down quarter is only a good internet talking point. Certain people should talk about 1T the same as a down quarter.

So, you have no real arguments and can only point to money, gotcha. Cook has no vision, see: Mac lineup.
 
In other words, customers first.

The first thought that comes to mind is charging customers $10 for a 3.5mm to lightning adapter. Then $19 for a usb-c to lightning/usb-a. Let’s not forget you can’t connect an iPhone to a 2016+ Mac without buying an adapter.

Definitely customer first
 
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So, you have no real arguments and can only point to money, gotcha. Cook has no vision, see: Mac lineup.

Look at the MacBook Pro specifically. Even the most ardent Apple acolytes would be hard pressed to call the MacBook lineup the result of customer and product first minded thinking
 
Vision = TC and profits = vision.

Jobs was handed a bankrupt company which he single handedly turned into the most profitable company on the planet. Tim Cook took what Jobs gave him and iterated on it. Without Job’s vision the iPhone product category does not exist. Just look at the profit share. iPhone makes up a majority of the pie as it did when Jobs was around. No changes.


Jobs innovated sure. So does Cook. I'll leave it to the reader to find out things that went wrong in Jobs eras, but I will mention the iPhone 4.

The iPhone 4 antennagate was a flaw with Apple’s then flagship product. No company is stupid enough to sabotage its current flagship. Touch Disease and Throttlegate affect only older phones.

May not find any down quarters, but you won't find 1T either. A down quarter is only a good internet talking point. Certain people should talk about 1T the same as a down quarter.

Apple would have reached 1T even if Jobs was still CEO. The iPhone was already shooting off the charts when Cook took over.
 
The iPhone was doing well when Cook took over. Cook took the iPhone and apples earnings to a whole new level.

Which is easy to do. If I gave you 1 billion dollars and asked you to innovate that’s relatively easy to do. Coming up with innovation from zero which is what Jobs did is difficult.


So that's the argument, anyone could have done it. If that was the case Jobs wouldn't have appointed cook and would have told the board to pick anyone they feel is qualified. If Jobs thought that "not anyone" could have done it, why should I listen to a random internet poster with an axe to grind about apple.

Jobs picked the person he thought would be the best. That doesn’t mean everyone else would be disqualified. Once the Cook era is over, Apple will be handed over to anyone who the Board feels like it and I guarantee you will see absolutely no difference.

What's touch disease and throttle gate? Are those car recalls? Oh wait, nothing ever goes wrong in the manufacture of a product and car companies never issue recalls because they get it right 100%
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Do car manufacturers intentionally put in defective components in cars?

You mean like "pink screen"?

The LG display can’t even display colours and I mean this literally. It displays yellow as orange. Literally every one of their displays is infested with problems. Every one of Samsung’s displays is not infested with problems. [/quote]
 
From a business and a shareholder perspective, Jobs' recommendation was spot on, Cook has done amazing things, and made Apple into the cell phone giant that it is today.

From my perspective as a long time Apple fan, he is no Jobs, and my love for Apple has diminished to the point that for the first time since the mid-90's, I am strongly looking elsewhere for my electronic needs.

Couldn't agree more. I hate all the new Macs. Even from a phone perspective, the phone I want is $1200 which is nuts and doesn't have a headphone jack. My old Mac Pro and previous gen Macbook pro are where it's at for me.
 
OK, now that you're a Trillion Dollar Behemoth, can you take some chances again?
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Profits= Tim Cook. Innovation-Jobs. I challenge you to find anything resembling Touch Disease or Throttlegate in Jobs era. You won't find anything. You won't find any down quarters either.

You won't find any down quarters in Jobs era? That's not right, not at all. Apple had a lot of down quarters while Steve Jobs was CEO.

Three years into his tenure as Apple's CEO, Apple began a string of 4 consecutive quarters which were down YoY in both revenue and net income. Net income was down YoY in 10 out of 11 quarters spanning from late 2000 to mid 2003, and revenue was down YoY in 7 of those quarters.
 
You won't find any down quarters in Jobs era? That's not right, not at all. Apple had a lot of down quarters while Steve Jobs was CEO.

Three years into his tenure as Apple's CEO, Apple began a string of 4 consecutive quarters which were down YoY in both revenue and net income. Net income was down YoY in 10 out of 11 quarters spanning from late 2000 to mid 2003, and revenue was down YoY in 7 of those quarters.
I'm not researching to see if this in correct or not, but all tech companies pretty much took a beating during this time. Between the "dot com" bubble bursting and then 9/11, the tech industry along with many other industries suffered.
 
I'm not researching to see if this in correct or not, but all tech companies pretty much took a beating during this time. Between the "dot com" bubble bursting and then 9/11, the tech industry along with many other industries suffered.

There were also Apple specific reasons why it experienced numerous down quarters during that period of time. I wasn't, e.g., suggesting it was because Mr. Jobs was a bad CEO. The point was that the notion that Apple didn't see down quarters under Mr. Jobs (as, e.g., a comparison to it having seen some under Mr. Cooks) was quite wrong.
 
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