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Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs

Not surprising but a **** move.

i don’t mind them doing this eventually but maybe wait until the entire line up is running AS so people can make an informed choice. I mean like a year or so from now with the next MacOS release cause hopefully by then we’ll have all MacBook and iMacs on AS. maybe even Mac Pro. someone who needs a 27” iMac, 16” MBP, or even a Mac Pro is getting messed with here. imagine you just spent thousands on one of these machines and Apple is like “no 3D globe for you!”

anyway apple has made their decision. Suck it up or defend them…
 
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I need to pull up the posts when I said in 2-3 years Apple will be clearly abandoning Intel. I was wrong it's even faster! I wonder about the ones who argued claiming 5+ years of full Intel support after A.S. was announced....
Glad I dumped at a great loss my 2020 loaded MBP 13 with i7/32gb/2TB last year when it was still worth quite a bit after M1's were announced. I got burned with Apple during the PPC-Intel transition and how quickly Apple abandoned our machines back then.
 
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now i see it said:
Just canceled my order for a $15K MacPro
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Good move! I know if I was going to buy a new $15K computer, it’d better be able to show Apple’s 3D globe! Not any globe, it’s GOTTA be Apple’s (you know, nullumaluphobia…) I mean forget the ability to run professional apps faster than ever and the time that would save over the long run! If I can’t spin a useless globe a few times, well that’s just waste of a computer, really.

And, yes, I know you didn’t really have an order for a MacPro, but still funny :)
 
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Okay, maybe one of you smart people here can explain this to me:
Apparently Apple sucks and they don't offer those features on Intel Macs because of planned obsolescence and because they want people to buy a new M1 Mac.
But why especially those features? Why not, for example, "voice isolation mode" or "wide spectrum mode" in FaceTime? Why not SharePlay, why not Universal Control?
I mean, if Apple just want to force people to buy a new M1 Mac, wouldn't those features be more appealing?
 
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jgbr said:
This is an outrage. No technical reason this can’t be on Intel.
Forced depreciation in action.
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So were you outraged when M1 could run iOS apps? Of course there were some differences, as there should be. This is probably examples of some things can't be done with a x86 processor. So what, you have different level of computing available using the latest intel processors, can run multiple VM's a lot easier, do the M1 users miss that, sure. They have lots of limitations currently.

As Tim said at the 2020 keynote after the Apple Silicon presentation.

"We plan to continue to support and release new versions of macOS for Intel based Macs, for years to come. In fact, we have some new Intel based Macs in the pipeline that we’re really excited about."

If you want to be mad about something, how about over selling the excitement of Apple Silicon with a lack of products. They now have only a year left to produce a lot of equivalent products. Will they? Probably not. The basis of Mac OS X, NextStep's strength was being able to run on multiple processor platforms, Apple has been evolving to repeat that again with these ARM SoC's which will ultimately lead to a lot more flexibility on their computer solutions. Everyone should be glad they taken that route to the future.
 
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ColoradoBillsFan said:
So the MacBook Pro I bought in February 2020, I planned for the pandemic, is now outdated? Come on Apple, you were better than this at one point.
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That's senseless entitlement for a product that released before that date. New features on newer/different hardware shouldn't be held back by older/different hardware an OS also supports

OSes always historically ship features not all hardware the OS supports will have access to; why you expect Apple to make all their OS features be supported by all hardware they sell?

It's illogical once they've introduced supporting CPUs with completely different architecture.
 
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please stop defending apple. even if there are some sort of hardware/software limitations (which doesn't appear to be the case in this situation), mac buyers from just a few years ago who bought the 16 inch macbook, mac pro, or even the imac pro, are now being screwed of updates due to apple's new direction. it can only get worse for intel users from here on out
 
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My 2017 MBP that I currently have will be my last Macbook. The crappy keyboard turned me off. I have just had too many issues with Macbooks over the last 10 years.

I'm keeping this 2017 MBP until it dies, but will look into something else when that time comes.
 
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matrix07 said:
You bought a Mac at a unique time. At any other times your machine will be fine. The move to Apple Silicon is a right decision. If you want Apple to fully support legacy like Microsoft and as a result can't successfully pushed new tech then you already chose a wrong eco-system.
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this makes no sense. I want apple to keep to it's promise to fully support intel macs for years to come, not for 1 year only to start being eliminated from OS feature upgrades thereafter. To defend this nonsense is to just encourage it, and also an admittance that the rug hasn't been pulled from under you, yet.
 
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jgbr said:
This is an outrage. No technical reason this can’t be on Intel.
Forced depreciation in action.
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They've done this forever. It's no different than night mode camera setting, a software feature that was limited to iPhone 11 for no reason (other than to encourage hardware purchases).
 
jgbr said:
This is an outrage. No technical reason this can’t be on Intel.
Forced depreciation in action.
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I don’t believe this is true. Certainly, FaceTime portrait mode and the new offline dictation make use of the neural engine.

Apple software developers have incentive to make macOS be pleasing to use in all devices. Not all decisions are taken with involvement from those who are very tightly rewarded for sales.

The cause is that making it not be Apple Silicon-exclusive includes large investments of time. There now must be shared iOS and iPadOS code.
 
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RedRage said:
My 2017 MBP that I currently have will be my last Macbook. The crappy keyboard turned me off. I have just had too many issues with Macbooks over the last 10 years.

I'm keeping this 2017 MBP until it dies, but will look into something else when that time comes.
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I’m considering a Surface Laptop 4, personally. Just waiting for the higher RAM models to restock.
 
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Maybe wait a bit, its the first beta, maybe things will be “universal” once the final release. If not, the usual hacks will change that.
 
Fun fact - this hits the iOS side as well. Read the fine print and many of these features will only run on an iPhone or iPad with an A12 or higher processor despite iOS 15 itself running on an A9 powered iPhone 6S. Even the iPhone X, which has a first generation Neural Engine is excluded, as is the A10-powered 2019 base iPad. Excluded features include FaceTime blurring and spatial audio, on-device Siri processing, updated 3D maps, and using your phone as key for hotels and other locks.

So it’s not an Intel issue per say, Apple is simply going all-in on the Neural Engine and other capabilities specific to its newer chip designs.
 
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Makes sense. Everything listed seems like it would use the M1 neural processors, or - in the instance of additional languages - offload the GPU work to a neural net in a data center.
 
abbstrack said:
this makes no sense. I want apple to keep to it's promise to fully support intel macs for years to come, not for 1 year only to start being eliminated from OS feature upgrades thereafter. To defend this nonsense is to just encourage it, and also an admittance that the rug hasn't been pulled from under you, yet.
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Interesting question, what action are you going to take to stop Apple?
 
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I can understand all the features on the list being stripped for Intel users, except for the Maps features. I do seem to remember Maps used to have a Globe effect, that worked just fine on my Mac, unless I'm misremembering. It seems silly to prevent Intel users from accessing those Maps features, especially as Intel Macs are still being sold.
 
StupidOpinion said:
please stop defending apple. even if there are some sort of hardware/software limitations (which doesn't appear to be the case in this situation), mac buyers from just a few years ago who bought the 16 inch macbook, mac pro, or even the imac pro, are now being screwed of updates due to apple's new direction. it can only get worse for intel users from here on out
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There is always going to be software limitations that are hardware dependent when you're introducing a broad amount of changes with a Mac OS update, get use to it. Multi-platform support doesn't mean across the board functionality equivalencies does it? The problem here is we are now multi-platform, gone is the exclusiveness of everyone gets treated to the same feature set. :D
 
GMShadow said:
I’m considering a Surface Laptop 4, personally. Just waiting for the higher RAM models to restock.
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Those are nice. I am still a few years away from an upgrade, then I'll see what's on the market at that time. Good luck with whatever you choose!
 
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