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Powered by siri. That bitch cant dictate a four word sentence accurately. Apple has the worst and most in accurate voice dictation in the market. That is not a feature you’re losing out on. It’s a crew lots of torture for those that have m1s and try it

I find Siri's dictation to be worse and worse and worse every year.

It's so incredibly frustrating sometimes
 
It’s not that an Intel Mac ”can’t” run these features, it’s that they haven’t been written to use these features. Find with me. Why code a ”good“ version (M1) and a “redundant“ version (Intel)?
Why bother to fix zero days on the Intel platform? It's just redundant.
 
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So are iPhones of different models. So was the Powerbook (notable example). You bought the machine based on what it did at the time. You didn't know that Live Text would be coming when you bought your system, did you? Nah. Unless you're Kreskin. This isn't a fanboy thing. This is a Apple-has-lots-of-hardware-in-its-portfolio-and-can't-please-everyone thing. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

The software is pre-release. Assume its delayed, and now comes out in May '22. Hardware could have replaced your new system then, too. Just like the planned sunset of Intel, so are these features - planned. They are not officially released as of yet.

You have come to expect new features because OS releases are now free, and have moved to a yearly cadence. If they didn't come out with the new OS for three years, and charged you for the upgrade instead, would you feel the same?
that's BS, we brought high end machines because they are great for the now AND FOR THE FUTURE. Apple is deliberately altering that agreement (yes, it's an agreement based on established trust and an exchange of currency for reliability) by deciding they will re-architect their new OS's to leave dedicated users in the cold.

some of y'all will defend the most nefarious behavior in this day and age because I guess the devil needs advocacy.
 
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I guess Apple would expect us to upgrade our AS macs yearly now. So we don’t miss out on new features that the previous generation AS can’t handle.
 
I guess Apple would expect us to upgrade our AS macs yearly now. So we don’t miss out on new features that the previous generation AS can’t handle.
That’s not going to happen. Again, M1 is the new baseline and will be for several years going forward.
 
When they start taking features away from Intel Processor Macs and making them ARM only BAD SIGN.

Will this OS let you hook up an External Video Card breakout box on APPLE SILICON Macs??

PROBABLY NOT.
Wrong. They didn‘t take a feature away. They introduced a feature to the OS that cannot be run on Intel. Different thing.
Plus its a feature so laughably useless one wonders what the fuzz is all about.
 
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That’s not going to happen. Again, M1 is the new baseline and will be for several years going forward.

It's not?

How do you know?

They could very easily tweak aspects of AS and/or things like the Neural Engine and do this exact same type of thing to early adopters on M1
 
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Yeah, they are possible if you are ok with waiting couple of seconds while your machine analyses the photo and sucks battery like crazy at the same time. Come on, be realistic. Presence of ultra-efficient on-board ML hardware does offer some new applications.
Google and Microsoft apps do this natively on macs now. This is an apple copy cat feature thats existed for a decade or more. This response is a Hillarious sheep moment.
 
the polarization continues with splitting everything into us vs them: intel vs apple silicon, well, you can deduce the rest…
 
Google and Microsoft apps do this natively on macs now. This is an apple copy cat feature thats existed for a decade or more. This response is a Hillarious sheep moment.

Not sure what you are talking about. Can you be more specific?
 
Why would additional languages on an existing feature or dictation past 60 seconds require the neural engine?

Additional languages wouldn't. That's almost certainly caused by what I complained about earlier — implementing everything at the wrong level of abstraction. What they presumably did was reimplement their speech recognition functionality using better models, in a fashion that uses the neural engine somewhat directly, and they implemented models for more languages in that version than they did in the old, server-based version.

If they had implemented the server-based version correctly, using a high-level API (e.g. TensorFlow), then they could have tweaked their implementation of that API to run the models directly on the neural engine, and then when they added extra models on the client side, they'd be able to drop the additional models onto their servers, and they'd "just work" for everybody, including devices that for whatever reason don't support running the models on-device, retroactively adding support for those languages to current operating systems as well.

And, of course, if they had done it that way, they'd be able to run the models on-device on a wide range of hardware, not just on the latest stuff.

The 60 second limit on older hardware is because the current implementation ships the audio out over the network (possibly preprocessed). If you let it run indefinitely, people would sometimes turn dictation on and forget about it, wasting huge amounts of CPU on the servers, not to mention wasting bandwidth, battery power, etc., and being a huge privacy risk.

And again, if they implemented it at the proper level of abstraction, that wouldn't be a problem, either, because they'd be able to run those models on-device on older hardware, but...

You get the point.

This design really should have been shot down at the first cross-functional meeting before they wrote a single line of code.
 
This is an outrage. No technical reason this can’t be on Intel.
Forced depreciation in action.
Many, but not all, of the features in question involve AI/Neural Networks. The M1's performance handily beats Intel Macs in that regard.
 
This is disappointing. I was hoping Apple would further improve the built in OCR and Dictation on all supported Macs.

They are..
Apple just changed which Macs are "supported" ;)

It's like in Office Space when they "fix the payroll glitch"
 
I'm pretty confident the recent Hackintosh growth has hurt Apples computer sales, they're going to rush towards destabilizing Intel builds as rapidly as possible.
Come on if Apple really wanted to crush Hackintosh they would've sued the bootloader authors like opencore/clover. No boot loader, no hackintosh. They also could've had cryptographic hardware keys that would prevent non Apple-based Macs from running macOS. They never did that. Plus most hackintosh users have Macs anyways.

You do realize that your logic of Apple "rushing to destabilize Intel builds as rapidly as possible" throws existing legitimate Intel-mac users under the bus right?

Apple doesn't seem to worry about Hackintosh too much. In fact, Monterey is already running on Hackintosh without any major changes necessary to open core and relevant kexts. In fact Monterey beta1 doesn't seem like an early beta at all. It's much more polished than its beta1 predecessors like Catalina, and even Big Sur to some degree.
 
What is the actual point of macOS going forward on AS ?
we should be able to bootcamp iPadOS
 


While there are many great new features in macOS Monterey, several of them are not available on Intel-based Macs, according to Apple.

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On the macOS Monterey features page, fine print indicates that the following features require a Mac with the M1 chip, including any MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and iMac model released since November 2020:
  • Portrait Mode blurred backgrounds in FaceTime videos
  • Live Text for copying and pasting, looking up, or translating text within photos
  • An interactive 3D globe of Earth in the Maps app
  • More detailed maps in cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, and London in the Maps app
  • Text-to-speech in more languages, including Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Finnish
  • On-device keyboard dictation that performs all processing completely offline
  • Unlimited keyboard dictation (previously limited to 60 seconds per instance)
Apple has not explained why any of these features are not available on Intel-based Macs. For what it's worth, Google Earth has long offered an interactive 3D globe of the Earth on Intel-based Macs both on the web and in an app.

Apple is currently in the midst of a two-year transition from Intel processors to its custom Apple silicon chips in Macs, with the changeover slated to be completed by WWDC 2022. Macs with the M1 chip have proven to be much faster than their equivalent Intel-based predecessors, with even the base model MacBook Air with the M1 chip outperforming a maxed-out Intel-based 16-inch MacBook Pro in benchmarks.

Apple is widely rumored to be planning redesigned 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models powered by a faster iteration of the M1 chip for later this year.

macOS Monterey is still compatible with a wide variety of Intel-based Macs, and is available now in beta for developers. The software update will likely be publicly released to all users at some point between September and November.

Update: According to Rene Ritchie, Intel-based Macs lack the Neural Engine that many if not all of these features require.



Article Link: Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs
As an owner of a 24,000 US$ mac pro 2019 bought a bit more than one year ago I am totally and utterly pissed by these cost centric decisions.

All these features could leverage the GPU if they invested the manpower to make it happen.

This isn’t a technical topic it’s purely a cost driven one that shows zero respect for their highest end customers.
 
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