Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs

[9927036]

Support != new features.

Do not confuse two unrelated things; Apple is promising they'll continue to support software as it comes with your purchase, they make no promises for future unrelated features or software.

No sane company do this unless you and the company have a contractual obligation to provide you with new features. Apple does not do this.

What does this even mean? "support software as it comes with your purchase" Of course if you don't make any changes to the software as it comes it will continue to operate on that hardware. I guess one should not patch the software to fix zero day vulnerabilities also.

 

[9927036]

Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if I just need to bite the bullet and sell my Intel Macs earlier than I normally would while the resale is still decent and eat the cost of the new machines. I was really wanting to wait for the second generation though so they could iron out any issues with the new designs for the 14” MacBook Pro and 32” 6K iMac.

I'm going to be doing the same as soon as the 14” MacBook Pro is released.

 

[Stephen.R]

AR Capture. I mean, you could say Quantity Surveying and it’d have the same impact to your average user.

you know that places like Etsy have already planned to support AR Capture, to allow customers to see how an item would look in their space right?

oh right I forgot everyone who sells stuff on Etsy will be using a high end model because they anticipated this with their crystal balls didn’t they?

 

[Stephen.R]

Thank you, I missed that point as well.
On the other hand a lot of people are going to argue that the current M1 Macs audience won't care anyway. That's a "pro" feature for pros only and they'll get at least <insert base ram for all future pro models here> GB RAM.

Kind of wondering how this whole RAM thing with the SoCs works. 16GB RAM + 4 GB VRAM - wouldn't that mean they need 20 GB RAM altogether? I thought the memory on the M1 SoC is shared by all components?
I probably misunderstood that...

Like I responded to someone else - marketplaces like Etsy are already planning to use this stuff.

as for the vram bit I assume that’s more relevant on intel systems - that feature isn’t arm specific so people who bought pro intel models even several years ago will be supported for that feature.

 

[9927036]

They are one of the largest, wealthiest company for a reason, they don't waste resources on things that won't make them money. All current Intel Macs still have all the features they came with, and those who are going to buy a new Intel Mac aren't going to cancel their order because of a 3d globe.

Are you sure they won't cancel? The globe is just one feature. There will be many more. Who would buy an Intel Mac now?

 

[9927036]

I was mentally exhausted from the "ADD" nature of the whole thing.

Nothing about it was pleasant...it felt written by a child who couldn't focus on anything for too long.

Written by the crack Marketing team at Apple.

 

[cmaier]

Wow this is indeed ridiculous! Never would I have thought my 16” MBP would already be partly obsolete.

Really? The whole “we are dumping Intel and switching to our own architecture“ thing never gave you pause? (And, of course, that was telegraphed for years, so the announcement came as little surprise to most people).

 

[9927036]

"Text-to-speech in more languages, including Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Finnish"

¿Que? This already exists, and has existed for ages, It has nothing to do with M1. It is all about planned obsoletion.

It is time for the EU to slap Apple really hard, requiring any hardware to be fully supported for at least ten years.

Well, my next OS is not going to be whatever it was called this time, and my next computer and phone won't be "designed by Apple in California", but very much "made in China".

What devices are you thinking of getting?

 

[rafark]

Apple does this all the time. Like when Siri was only available on the new iPhone 4s but not on the 4 even though the 4 was perfectly capable and people could enable it in a jailbroken iPhone.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

you know that places like Etsy have already planned to support AR Capture, to allow customers to see how an item would look in their space right?

oh right I forgot everyone who sells stuff on Etsy will be using a high end model because they anticipated this with their crystal balls didn’t they?

So, I thought I saw something related to this in one of the sessions I watched yesterday.

Create 3D models with Object Capture - WWDC21 - Videos - Apple Developer

Object Capture provides a quick and easy way to create lifelike 3D models of real-world objects using just a few images. Learn how you...

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Apparently, it requires 16GB of RAM and 4GB of VRAM on Intel (I thought that was odd that it listed VRAM when M1’s don’t have VRAM). It’s indicated that it will run on all Apple Silicon Macs.

 

[iEMH]

As expected…remember those days when your MacBook could last a lot of years? Well… bay bay
We’ll be upgrading macs as often as iPhones…and limited to App Store “apps”…
Welcome to the age of waste

 

[9927036]

...and we will all be the better for it.

The M1 is the future, Intel is the present and slowly becoming the past.

Personally, I never thought my Intel Mac was "slow" but the upgrade to an M1 has made a real difference in my day-to-day. If you asked me what's changed, I'd say, "Everything."

Yup. An in a year your M1 will be unsupported. You will need to buy an M2 to get 8 new features. Good luck.

 

[G4DPII]

I never understood why people automatically though Intel based machines would get new OS updates. Even those apologists in here, two in particular were all gung ho!.

They'll get security patches and that's it. Once the whole line is transitioned, Intel machines will never get a fully functioning OS.

 

[rafark]

I can’t imagine what people who shelled out $10k + on a Mac Pro are feeling right now.

 

[erich.j.k]

Not with Monterey. So the machines they sell today can do everything the M1 macs can do (other than run ios/ipad apps).

But we don't know for sure yet that by the time Monterey is ready so will all the M<x*-whatever> Macs replacing all current Intel ones. Apple said the transition would take two years...

 

[Stephen.R]

So, I thought I saw something related to this in one of the sessions I watched yesterday.

Create 3D models with Object Capture - WWDC21 - Videos - Apple Developer

Object Capture provides a quick and easy way to create lifelike 3D models of real-world objects using just a few images. Learn how you...

developer.apple.com

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Apparently, it requires 16GB of RAM and 4GB of VRAM on Intel (I thought that was odd that it listed VRAM when M1’s don’t have VRAM). It’s indicated that it will run on all Apple Silicon Macs.

It’s possible the limit is intel only but that is talking about an api, while the features page talks about an exposed end user feature, no?

there is no such distinction about working on all m1 Macs on the features page.

Edited for clarity.

 

[James_C]

One of the bargains struck in the Apple ecosystem is that new releases work on up to 5 year old hardware. If we now need to buy a new device every year for the OS to work then people may make a different decision.

I think people are confusing support for intel hardware (bug fixes and security updates) with support for new OS releases. It is in my humble opinion very unlikely you will get five years of new OS support for Intel Macs.

Going back to the Power PC to Intel transition, Apple said in January 2006 when it first announced the move to Intel that the transition would be complete in 2 years, the same time period that Tim announced for the Intel to Apple Silicone transition. In fact the Intel transition was complete in less than a year, in August 2006 when Apple released the last Mac to move to Intel, the Intel Mac Pro. At that time OSX Tiger was the first version of OSX to support both PPC and Intel Macs. Just over a year later Apple released Leopard in Oct 2007, the last version of OSX to support PPC Macs. Three years later in 2009 Snow Leopard was released dropping support for PPC.

Apple will not want to be held back by legacy hardware, as all ready evident on the second release of Mac OS that supports Apple Silicone. After Monterey my guess is you will get two more Intel compatible OS releases then just bug fixes and security updates.

 

[kenaustus]

This is a transition time for the M1 and that is where Apple is going to focus their R&D investments. If your MBP dies then go buy a M1 MacBook Air, which will outperform the Intel MBP. If your current MBP is working then see the trade in value.

If you really need to see the globe on the screen then go to Google Earth.

No need for ulcers if you do a bit of lateral thinking.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I can’t imagine what people who shelled out $10k + on a Mac Pro are feeling right now.

One, maybe two have already posted to this thread. It appears that those IN that situation are far less concerned that those who are concerned about those that are in the situation. The features do not affect the professional workflows at all.

 

[edgonzalez32]

Then you would have to qualify it for any other Intel system, too. Otherwise, it's the same problem. "Why can this other system run it, but mine can't?"

Should Apple not have added TouchID support to macOS, because not every Intel Mac running Sierra would support it?

There are a hell of a lot more people buying the $1200 products than the $5k+ products. Solve for the 80, 90, 95. It's not negligence.

Touch ID is hardware, this is all software we’re talking about .

 

[cmaier]

But we don't know for sure yet that by the time Monterey is ready so will all the M<x*-whatever> Macs replacing all current Intel ones. Apple said the transition would take two years...

So worry about it then. But anyone who buys an intel machine AFTER Monterey comes out will already know that the intel machines don’t have these features, so they will be making an informed decision about whether buying an intel machine is worth it to them, and, again, apple will not be ”tricking” anyone, or “screwing“ anyone, or doing anything wrong here.

 

[isoft7]

Hackintosh isn't even a pimple on the butt of a percentage point in Apple's overall Mac sales. They could have decimated the mackintosh community years ago, but have basically taken a complete hands-off approach. The decision to move to Apple Silicon has absolutely zero to do with Hackintosh(ers) and everything to do with Apple controlling their own destiny and supply chain. This move was in the works even before Apple moved to Intel. NeXTstep/OpenStep and Rhapsody were processor agnostic going back almost 30 years and both NeXT and Apple have been RISC-oriented as far back as the Motorola 88110 CPU. Intel has never been the end-all, be-all, they're the odd-man out who just happened to be first and had enough money to buy off or outright destroy much better CPUs and platforms.

Sheesh... touchy.

I didn't realize I had proclaimed the integration of M1 into their Desktop PC's was a plan to rid themselves of Hackintosh users.

Apple is the most sensitive company in tech, they're hyper protective and can't seem to stand anyone doing somethin within their environment that they don't want them to. So, if they have the ability to hurt those doing something not approved, they will, the end. That has nothing to do with their M1 or future internal development strategy. It's simply taking advantage of opportunity.

 

[cmaier]

Touch ID is hardware, this is all software we’re talking about .

Software running on….…. the neural engine! Which is…. Hardware!

 

[9927036]

Not with Monterey. So the machines they sell today can do everything the M1 macs can do (other than run ios/ipad apps).

Yes with Monterey. Monterey runs on Intel Macs. Or did Tim mis-speak?

 

[9927036]

Why are you acting as if a computer is NOT an investment with future support? Are you aware that there are Mac Pros that people have spent literally tens of thousands of dollars, or do you think Apple only makes low end consumer grade stuff?

Perhaps because he works for Apple Marketing?