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It is in Apple's interest to get as many of Mac users over to the new architecture as soon as possible.

Intel Macs should get minimum support which includes:
* Security fixes
* Bug fixing
* New version of the OS (for a few more years)
* New features on the conditions it costs Apple very little resources to implement, support and that the feature works well

Intel Macs are getting the minimum support today.

I think we're saying the same thing.

However, it's in Apple's interest to retain and grow as many Mac owners as possible, followed by expanding the existing user base to increase installed units (e.g., iPads, iPhones, etc.). --platform architecture is way, way down on the list
 
Most of the angst about the missing features in Monterrey has more to do with people who are still in a state of denial that Apple is dropping Intel and moving on to Apple Silicon. Even if Apple
does update the Mac Pro with Ice Lake-W CPUs and/or AMD 6000-Series GPUs, that is realistically the only Intel-based Mac that is going to get
updated despite what anyone here might think. Once the 14”/16” MBP and larger iMac debut with M2 CPUs, that’s it, Apple’s done with the transition in their minds. Mission accomplished. The Mac Pro is the outlier right now and will be for a few years. The rest of the models being on AS represent 98% of the Mac user base.
I wouldn’t instill that false hope. :) I’d tell anyone, “Apple said transition done in 2 years, assume that includes the MacPro and make your decisions now based on that. Even if you leave the macOS platform and they DO keep the MacPro on Intel (they won’t) at least you will have migrated to a platform where YOU control what you want to update and when! You may look back on your Apple-tied days and wonder… ‘what was THAT all about?’. May even be generally happier about your computing situation.”

This is roughly what I’ve been telling folks for years as I’d help them to migrate. When the $6,000 MacPro came out, they felt nothing. :) Well, other than sorrow for those that didn’t make the jump they did.
 
I wouldn’t instill that false hope. :) I’d tell anyone, “Apple said transition done in 2 years, assume that includes the MacPro and make your decisions now based on that. Even if you leave the macOS platform and they DO keep the MacPro on Intel (they won’t) at least you will have migrated to a platform where YOU control what you want to update and when! You may look back on your Apple-tied days and wonder… ‘what was THAT all about?’. May even be generally happier about your computing situation.”

This is roughly what I’ve been telling folks for years as I’d help them to migrate. When the $6,000 MacPro came out, they felt nothing. :) Well, other than sorrow for those that didn’t make the jump they did.
Migrate to what, though? I’d expect an M1 based Mac Pro to eat 8088s, er, i9s, for breakfast ;)

But seriously, a Mac Pro powered by an adapted M series chip would be an industry leading video editing, image processing, 3D rendering, AI research beast. Intel’s roadmap has been a dead end for the better part of a decade now, and AMD’s Ryzen chips can only beat the M1 at almost double the clock speed and require all sorts of specialty hardware to do the image, crypto, and AI tasks (without seriously draining CPU and GPU cycles) that the M1 performs out of the box. The Apple Silicon chips are so sophisticated and powerful that abandoning the Mac Pro for non-Apple shores is probably a bit myopic.
 
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Migrate to what, though? I’d expect an M1 based Mac Pro to eat 8088s, er, i9s, for breakfast ;)
For those that REALLY can’t deal with Apple Silicon, any of the slowpoke Intel chips will do. Somewhere out here, I’ve posted that an Apple Silicon purchase will be for the greatest performance and compatibility with macOS and macOS apps. Intel Mac purchases will be for those where non-macOS compatibility is of a greater need than performance.

Plus, you know, there’s that whole spinning-globe-gate that, if they weren’t Mac users, it wouldn’t affect them in the least!😂
 
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According to Apple, if EVERY current Mac user was to NOT purchase a single Mac this year, they’d still sell around 10 million. Still enough to continue making the Mac AND only a few of those users would be crestfallen about not being able to spin a globe on their computer. :)
Sounds like you have inside information about Apple's plans.
 
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If Apple would stop selling these, then I'd agree. As long as these are sold from Apple then I guess this isn't the right approach.

Intel Macs receive maybe 50-100 new features and there are less than 10 they don't get.

Which is the right balance.

Same with M1 Macs. They don't support Boot Camp, virtualising Windows is difficult etc.

The platforms are different and they will get different features with the Intel Macs being depreciated and receiving less and less attention.
 
Absolutely. Windows on ARM does not support all features of Windows x86, nor is that expected.

Same thing with Linux; one of the many reasons there's so many Linux distro–they drastically support & not a wide variety of things not compatible with all hardware.
I've installed various Linux distributions on ThinkPads and I have never encountered a situation where the hardware was not supported.

Can you provide some examples?
 
I guess you could replace your ageing iMac with a Windows system and have 0% of the Monterey features. That might work out better, actually.
That might be where I'm heading. I've been forced to use Windows 10 as a work device for my past few contracts, and it's not all bad. My Intel MBA will run Windows 10 via Bootcamp pretty well too. It's been 12+ years since I switched to using Macs, but perhaps it's time to switch back :rolleyes:
 
That might be where I'm heading. I've been forced to use Windows 10 as a work device for my past few contracts, and it's not all bad. My Intel MBA will run Windows 10 via Bootcamp pretty well too. It's been 12+ years since I switched to using Macs, but perhaps it's time to switch back :rolleyes:
Just remember, many other companies also provide additional features to customers with newer devices. I think in general it would be good for anyone to step away from Apple, but they just need to make sure they’ve got their expectations set appropriately before they take that leap.
 
I've installed various Linux distributions on ThinkPads and I have never encountered a situation where the hardware was not supported.

Can you provide some examples?
Not all Linux distros are created equal + many are minimal on purpose to be more lightweight for specific use cases like Alpine for Docker images.

The most common way this comes up on Linux is driver support; especially proprietary drivers that were compiled for a particular distro in mind to get hardware to work to make relevant software for the hardware to actually work. Many distros you can get lucky to find a driver that can work, compile/recompile it getting the dependencies that may not be included with your particular distro (usually on purpose), & so on.
 
Not all Linux distros are created equal + many are minimal on purpose to be more lightweight for specific use cases like Alpine for Docker images.

The most common way this comes up on Linux is driver support; especially proprietary drivers that were compiled for a particular distro in mind to get hardware to work to make relevant software for the hardware to actually work. Many distros you can get lucky to find a driver that can work, compile/recompile it getting the dependencies that may not be included with your particular distro (usually on purpose), & so on.
If you use Linux friendly hardware e.g. Dell XPS then you won't run into these problems. Likewise, ThinkPads are fine. I build my own desktops and have never run into driver problems.
 
If you use Linux friendly hardware e.g. Dell XPS then you won't run into these problems. Likewise, ThinkPads are fine. I build my own desktops and have never run into driver problems.
That's awesome your anecdotal experience, and hope you never do come across issues building your own desktops, but these problems often just happen with no way to prepare for them by those that experience such issues. People will come across hardware incompatibilities or have features unavailable to their particular OS when trying to use a variety of hardware with them installed as they evolve–whether a Hackintosh, a normal Windows 10/MacOS machine, & etc.

That said, my point still stands the fact it's entitlement & naive to expect all features of an OS to be compatible with all hardware it's compatible with–even if co-existing around the same time but are distinctly different. x86 CPUs vs ARM CPUs–as well as the unique features Apple Silicon has vs Intel CPUs today–are distinct enough.

You kind of support my point re: "Linux friendly hardware". I'm well aware.


At the end of the day people buy computing devices today that they can afford aligning to their computing needs today. New version of OSes having features they want later based on hardware that already released or upcoming they don't have is practically inevitable.

It can be argued an OS isn't ambitious or evolving fast enough if all their OS features supports all compatible hardware for great lengths of time. OS maintainers can't be inventive/innovate efficiently constantly bottlenecking themselves to accommodate older hardware and/or not creating features maximizing hardware not necessarily available to all devices their OS supports.
 
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"While there are many great new features in macOS Monterey, several of them are not available on Intel-based Macs, according to Apple."

...*sigh*. When the Intel/M1 switchover was announced, several friends and I discussed the G5/Intel fiasco, the PowerPC/G3 mess, and the OS 9 to OSX cluster****, without counting on when Adobe would finally ditch Intel Apples altogether (many developers use PS as the yardstick of when not to put any effort anymore on an old or superseded processor or OS).

"We will be ditched in months, not years, as Apple had promised," we said. "No, no!, Apple will support [Enter processor/software version here] for years, if not forever", the same optimists countered... So, after I bought my new 2019 iMac, and the latest switch occurred, I just threw my hands up in the air in disgust and started to save for the (hopefully) new iMac 30inch M2 later this year (nope, the first 2021 M1 iMac is missing too much RAM, larger SSDs and Thunderbolt 4 ports to be a professional option).

Been there, got smacked many times. Will never learned.😩
 
Planned obsolescence :D You folks really use this term for anything that causes you even the slightest inconvenience, aren't you?

"Guys, we have created this amazing new power-efficient machine learning hardware but we can't use it in any software product because carrrrrlos will get upset"
The only inconvenience here is felt by Apple when consumers don’t continue to rebuy the latest and greatest Apple products - which the majority of consumers arguably don’t need. But hey, go dongle it up.
 
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PowerPC Macs had at least three years of support after the last one was discontinued, and five years of patches.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tim Cook's Apple kills off Intel support by 2023.
Really? Because I don’t recall my iMac G5 (very first Mac despite 20 years of computing at that point) supporting Bootcamp or running x86 VMs of any kind. So no, that’s just ********. If the hardware isn’t there to support it, move on.

My M1 MacBook is good and I will immediately replace our iMac Pro with any large screen Apple Silicon iMac because I want the latest, but those older computers will work great for years … including on macOS.
 
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The only inconvenience here is felt by Apple when consumers don’t continue to rebuy the latest and greatest Apple products - which the majority of consumers arguably don’t need. But hey, go dongle it up.
If you ever listened to their financial earnings call you’d know they are well aware of the long term ownership trend of Macs, that often they are still in use 5-7 years later. The move to Apple Silicon with M1 is laying the groundwork to support these devices over that period in a way that will make them age much more gracefully than the intel macs (look at how long phones are supported verses the rest of the industry).

We’re in an awkward position where even very powerful machines from last year simply can’t do things the M1 can because of a lack of specialized hardware for it. Once we’re over this hump I foresee AS getting amazing support and feature parity for a significantly longer period than the intel machines.

Check back in 5 years if you’d like to to respond to this post 😉
 
We’re in an awkward position where even very powerful machines from last year simply can’t do things the M1 can because of a lack of specialized hardware for it. Once we’re over this hump I foresee AS getting amazing support and feature parity for a significantly longer period than the intel machines.

Check back in 5 years if you’d like to to respond to this post 😉
In the future there may be lots of features restricted to newer Macs because of custom accelerators in the SoC. Apple will be adding new capabilities at a frequent pace. Meanwhile with Intel it was easy to offer long support when everything was just souped-up Skylake.
 
In the future there may be lots of features restricted to newer Macs because of custom accelerators in the SoC. Apple will be adding new capabilities at a frequent pace. Meanwhile with Intel it was easy to offer long support when everything was just souped-up Skylake.
No doubt that’s something will eventually come along. But Apple is clearly building towards something big with their focus on ubiquitous computing. I believe completely based on keeping the pulse of this topic that AS from day one is a *major* factor in what Apple he planned for their next big thing that’s coming in this field. They’re going to announce something in the next few years and basically go “yea, this is why we’ve building neural engines and seamless connectivity and cooperation between our devices, everything with any AS in it is part of this”.

Kind of like when they flipped the switch on the Find My network and all the infrastructure is already in place. Something simply not possible if they had stayed on Intel is coming, I can’t describe exactly what but I have my theories. They’ve been working on this plan for more than a decade now meticulously building this network of capabilities and we’re going to see it come to fruition in the next couple of years. M1 was always part of that plan.
 
An interactive 3D globe doesn't require a neural network to display. Google Earth has had a 3D interactive map for almost fifteen years.
The way Google coded it 15 years ago doesn't require the neural engine, I totally agree with that.

Is Apple using that code or did they write their own? Did they write it before the neural engine was available or after?

Most of these features likely reuse code developed for iOS.
 
The "neural engine" for maps? 😄

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Same with M1 Macs. They don't support Boot Camp, virtualising Windows is difficult etc.
For lack of Windows Support I'll blame MS.

Some of the features (like 3d maps) seems to have no reason to not work on intel - given that Apples Metal framework is so great.
 
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