“Pretty sure” because you have working knowledge of SoC designs and their capabilities, including the M-series neural engine and the OS code needed to utilize it, or you just read it on a cereal box? How exactly are you pretty sure?
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Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs
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The MBP Apple released in 11/2020 is an Apple Silicon M1 MBP…
My 2018 might support Universal Control but it looks like my IPP 1st gen 12.9 doesn’t
All iPad Pros should support Universal Control.My 2018 might support Universal Control but it looks like my IPP 1st gen 12.9 doesn’t
I have a 2.5 yo intel mac mini (2018) and have no issues with it getting dropped eventually. I love my mini so much I’m not upgrading it from Mojave. It is the most rock solid computer I’ve ever owned in my 36 years. It’s also my first ever mac. That said, I did love my PC Jr, too
Yep. Thought I read something yesterday that said first gen doesn’t support it - but it does!
At least with Intel Macs, you'll be able to run the latest version of Windows for likely the next decade as a fallback option, if you're not complete prejudiced against 'Windoze' that is.... Meanwhile, with M1 you're completely at Apple's whim when they want to "cut you off" from further upgrades.
Imagine a company that today will gladly sell you a $50K 28-core Intel Mac Pro that isn't "capable" of rendering a globe or translating languages because they either they are too lazy to write the code to do the work in their own software, or they did and have autocratically blocked it from working.
Let the end user decide if they want their processors pegged.
I would say “Let the end user decide if they want to BUY that $50K 28-core Intel Mac Pro that isn't "capable" of rendering a globe or translating languages”. Actually, the great thing is there are other ways of spinning globes AND translating languages as long as you don’t have nullumaluphobia.
Indeed another aspect of M1s in the locking down of the system. 3k and Apple decides what you do with the machine. Fair enough if you are happy for that but I prefer a bit of freedom you have with the Intels.
It isn't nefarious behavior. If you think that because you won't have access to some software that was likely written to support exclusive AS features, that you will somehow have a significantly less fantastic machine, then you probably need to reevaluate your purchasing strategy. They didn't re-architect their OS to leave users in the cold. You'll still be able to run it. Just not with every bell and whistle imaginable. How many years is appropriate? 3? 4? 5?
What about if you have a top-of-the-line 2015 MBP that you bought in '16 as new, and couldn't run Sidecar the day it came out? That wasn't that far ahead in the future. There are Intel Macs that can't run every feature of the new OS, even though they're still supported and will continue to be for the future. They'll even be able to run Monterey!
It wouldn't be wise for Apple to rewrite every feature to include Intel support, especially if such could lead to a bad user experience (because the feature might suck), and eventually it would need to just shift over to being an AS-native app anyways. So your new feature now may lose support in a future OS update anyways, because Apple will eventually have to develop for AS only. Does that mean you lose a singular feature, like a globe rendering in Apple Maps, even though you still use Maps well and good for everything else? Who knows. But it's bad dev planning to think it would work that way.
A made up word doesn't change the fact that Apple sells its products as part of a full ecosystem. The M1 is more efficient at video encode/decode, would you be OK with them keeping certain codecs from an Intel Mac running FCP because it would have to decode in software and work a little harder? With the solution being to use Premiere?
"Push the limits of what is possible, create without constraint, greatest performance" isn't going to be interpreted by the typical person as this computer has one foot in the grave.
Power to change everything.
Say hello to a Mac that is extreme in every way. With the greatest performance, expansion, and configurability yet, it is a system created to let a wide range of professionals push the limits of what is possible.
Up to 28 cores of power. Create without constraint.
Mac Pro is designed for pros who need the ultimate in CPU performance. From production rendering to playing hundreds of virtual instruments to simulating an iOS app on multiple devices at once, it’s exceedingly capable. At the heart of the system is an Intel Xeon processor with up to 28 cores — the most ever in a Mac. In addition, large L2 and shared L3 caches and 64 PCI Express lanes provide massive bandwidth in and out of the processor. https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
Say hello to a Mac that is extreme in every way. With the greatest performance, expansion, and configurability yet, it is a system created to let a wide range of professionals push the limits of what is possible.
Up to 28 cores of power. Create without constraint.
Mac Pro is designed for pros who need the ultimate in CPU performance. From production rendering to playing hundreds of virtual instruments to simulating an iOS app on multiple devices at once, it’s exceedingly capable. At the heart of the system is an Intel Xeon processor with up to 28 cores — the most ever in a Mac. In addition, large L2 and shared L3 caches and 64 PCI Express lanes provide massive bandwidth in and out of the processor. https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
I have 2 M1 computers now, most of our Intel stuff is more than 4 years old and will be replaced in the next few years with Apple Silicon. I'm not pissed for me. I'm pissed for the customer that is currently walking into an Apple Store and being sold a very expensive computer under the promise of 'we have great intel products in the pipeline" "continued support for years to come" that is already being deprecated behind the scenes.
Sidecar isn't the best example to prove your point.
A: When sidecar was released in Catalina in 2019 all of the the current hardware did support it and most hardware up to 2 years back could as well
B: There were many people with supposedly not compatible macs (that had the hardware for it to work) that were able to use it by manually editing sidecar preference settings or modifying the blacklist that prevented their Mac from using it.
It isn't being deprecated behind the scenes. Once the transition to AS was announced, and they did declare that eventually everything would be AS, the deprecation began. As a consumer, you can make an informed decision based on what information is already out there, regardless of whatever hyperbolic marketing you may encounter.
A typical person isn't going to purchase a Mac Pro because of the marketing they saw. Well, maybe an exec. But in all seriousness, if you're going to drop that amount of cash, then you are probably going to have done some homework, and have seen that they already will replace this Mac with a different architecture.
Chances are that your workflows you are leveraging a Mac Pro for are unlikely to be inhibited by a few yet-to-be unreleased features in a future OS. You might have benefited from a pro app updating to leverage new hardware, but that could happen regardless of whatever computer you bought, like ray-tracing support from a newer GPU.
And even though Apple has said there's another Intel Mac in the works, doesn't mean it'll ever come to fruition. Remember AirPower? It happens.
Monterey hasn't been released yet. And it's possible an AS Mac Pro will be announced by the time it does. As said before, they still sold PPC PowerBooks even though Intel was the latest and greatest, and not everything was available to the Intel Macs, like Classic. It's same soup, just reheated.
The point being that there's always differences in hardware, and that software is (usually) going to be designed to leverage the new shiny thing at the expense of the previous-gen stuff. Supporting your Mac doesn't mean it gets everything new. In the IT world, it usually means you'll have core features and security updates. Same as iOS, or on Windows, or anything else. If you want to use the new features and have older hardware, you generally need to upgrade the hardware (or, like you said, have some hack around solution that may not lead to the greatest UX/performance). The difference is that in Apple's case, everything is so tightly integrated that often hardware upgrades = completely replacing the hardware. Which also sucks, but again, goes back into the "informed decision" realm. It's not like that's new knowledge w/r/t Apple products.
These are features you didn't even know were available until now. Your Intel-based MacBook Pro will still do tomorrow what it does today.
Yes, primarily because if I have the money to drop of a $50,000 machine and I need better, like “make more money from my work” better, then I’d get better. If better is Premiere, I’d get it. If better is an Apple Silicon Mac, then I’d get one when it’s available. Otherwise, I’d keep using the codecs that have made me money for years.
You’re pissed so they don’t have to be?
You can be assured that folks buying a $50,000 system today are doing so because they’ve got an opportunity to make WAY MORE than that back. Or, I guess, they could go to the producer and let them know, “Hey, I really wanted to seal this deal with you, but right before I bought the computer, I realized I couldn’t spin a globe on it.”
—“What are you talking about? I wasn’t asking you to spin a globe I wanted you to edit this footage…”
“I know, I know, you’ve got this FCP footage you wanted me to edit, but I just couldn’t bring myself to buy a computer that I can’t spin a globe on.”
—“Wait, wait, like Google Earth? You can’t spin a globe on Google Earth so I have to go find someone el…”
“No, there’s this globe that’s going to be in the new OS to be released this fall. It’s an Apple produced globe.”
—“This fall? YOU’LL BE DONE before then! You mean to tell me you’re turning me down because of a thing that you won’t even be able to use during the time you’re doing the work for me?”
“Yeah, you’re going to have to find someone else that doesn’t care about currently nonexistent virtual globes. Sorry.”
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I swear this entire thread could be a case study of Stockholm syndrome
That’s Microsoft’s challenge to answer. The Arm version of Windows runs great on it, it’s Microsoft’s licensing that’s the holdup.
I’m the SysAdmin for my working with hundreds of Windows laptops. I look forward to being able to run Windows on a AS MacBook. Let’s hope MS decides to let it happen.
Or a study of folks who are inappropriately self-entitled.
No it won’t, his MacBook Pro is getting obsolete because Apple will continue to release less features for intel processors even tho intel processors are still pretty good for everything, it is just that Apple users are blind and they believe everything non Apple or with a m1 these days is not as powerful as other machines, and now intel can’t render a globe, can’t do this and this while on Windows they can.
It’s programmed obsolesce, the funny thing is people here believe their amazing M1 machines are going to be ethereal when next year they will lack of new features because the neural engine is not as fast as the “new” one.
The MacBook Pro is now the new iPhone, every year useless gimmicks, more privacy BS and new features for the Max model, hope you enjoy your MacBook Pro Max Hyper Engine when in one year later they will add a feature which couldn’t run on your machine because well the MZX super I is “faster”.
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“Your Intel-based MacBook Pro will still do tomorrow what it does today.”
It will precisely do that. I know that didn’t fit into the rant that you already had ready to go, but any Intel-based MacBook can do today, what it did yesterday AND will do tomorrow what it can do today. Virtualization, Windows via BootCamp, etc. all of this is and will continue to be possible on a system running Big Sur.
You went from arguing that Apple is screwing people out of amazing new features to arguing that the new features are nothing but useless fluff. Which is it?
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