Several macOS Monterey Features Unavailable on Intel-Based Macs

[9927036]

True, however that wasn’t really the central point of my comment, more like an aside which I doubt has helped matters much

I don't think it helps much to say that Intel is talking trash.

 

[Alan Wynn]

I feel some people are being a bit deliberately obtuse in this matter.

In other words, any one who disagrees with you is either stupid or a shill for Apple. Got it.

The fact that these features are missing, is not a big deal on the face of it, but what it represents (should these features currently not be in development for Intel Macs) is Apple taking away team resources used for development for Intel machines

You fundamentally do not understand what is happening. Apple is taking resources from their much larger market, iOS/iPadOS, and making them available on the new Apple Silicon Macs. This is not taking away resources, this is adding resources.

and moving them onto M1 machines, while still selling Intel machines, and leaving lots of Intel owners out in the cold without much thought.

The reason that Apple is moving to its own silicon is simply because Intel does not support the products and features they want to build. Intel owners (including my b/f and me with a Mac Pro 2019, an iMac Pro and two 2018 Mac minis) still have all the functionality they had when they bought them. New features that come from iOS/iPadOS quickly (or day and date in some cases) rather than never or after a long time is a benefit of the new silicon.

The decent thing to do, would have been to operate equal resources on both M1 and Intel machines for the remainder of the Intel model lives. Even three years main feature support would have been suitable.

Apple’s tight integration between their hardware, software, and silicon teams is the reason they are able do what they do. This means that they add features in their silicon they need to enable new features in their software. Your approach would be the opposite of this, only develop things that can be done with Intel’s generic CPUs.

If you are ok with Apple doing this to you, good for you. But I think it is wrong and shows Apple will happily step on you should it suit them.

If you think that Apple not providing new features that require new hardware is better for us as customers, than understanding that the world moves along and the hardware one gets is the best that is available at the time, you are very confused. A large part of Windows instability is due to their inability to leave old tech behind. It why Windows machines shipped with PS/2 mice and keyboards for years after Macs stopped.

As many of us always suspected but it is now confirmed. But there is really bugger all we can do about it apart from buy non Apple when we want a new machine.

Fortunately, you can buy whatever you want, and keep your old tech as long as you want.

 

[Alan Wynn]

It was obvious Apple would announce new features M1 only at some stage, but not so soon, three, four years after was expected.

You are have been warped by Intel’s slow hardware release cycle. Apple adds new hardware support in their silicon every generation and that means that there are likely to be features that are only supported by new chips with every release. The machine you bought still does everything it bought that got you to buy it, as well as those new features that it is able to support. I want a world were things move quickly, rather than one artificially held back to keep old machines supported.

 

[SuperMatt]

I feel some people are being a bit deliberately obtuse in this matter.

The fact that these features are missing, is not a big deal on the face of it, but what it represents (should these features currently not be in development for Intel Macs) is Apple taking away team resources used for development for Intel machines and moving them onto M1 machines, while still selling Intel machines, and leaving lots of Intel owners out in the cold without much thought. The decent thing to do, would have been to operate equal resources on both M1 and Intel machines for the remainder of the Intel model lives. Even three years main feature support would have been suitable.

If you are ok with Apple doing this to you, good for you. But I think it is wrong and shows Apple will happily step on you should it suit them. As many of us always suspected but it is now confirmed. But there is really bugger all we can do about it apart from buy non Apple when we want a new machine.

Sorry, why is it wrong? Did Apple lie about this? Are they hiding the fact that they are discontinuing Intel Macs? Are they not allowed to add features to new Macs?

If Apple didn’t add new features to the new Macs, there wouldn’t be much impetus to ever upgrade, would there? They’d also have a pretty hard time competing with other PC makers if they never added anything new. If you want the new features, buy the new Macs. That’s it. There is nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

 

[SuperMatt]

One thing to me that’s crazy is that Apple skipped over the entire 2014 MacBook line. I can’t recall a time they skipped an entire year of MacBooks for an OS upgrade after OSX.

Apple is moving to the M series but I think one of the big rubs here is that they are still selling brand new Intel machines and have Intel machines in the pipeline that won’t support features in the upcoming OS release. I can’t recall that ever happening? Apple can program a lot of these features to use Intel if they wanted to.

These features use the Neural engine specific to Apple silicon. If you want features that use that, buy a Mac with Apple silicon. This really isn’t difficult. Apple’s not going to try and write a similar feature for an architecture they are abandoning.

It would be a waste of time and money to do what you’re proposing.

 

[Alan Wynn]

You’re missing the point.

Actually, you are missing the point.

there is a feature in the next release of macOS that requires the maximum amount of memory possible in any m1 Mac.

Apple has always had features that needed hardware not available in the base versions they have sold.

you really think that’s the only feature that’s going to require 16Gb in next years OS?

I think over time there will be more features that need higher end machines. Why is this a surprise?

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

@Alan Wynn

You're holding it wrong.

Your posts have ignored everything I said and again, obtuse replies. You must work for Apple PR!

Although my highlights

You fundamentally do not understand what is happening. Apple is taking resources from their much larger market, iOS/iPadOS, and making them available on the new Apple Silicon Macs. This is not taking away resources, this is adding resources.

No

If you think that Apple not providing new features that require new hardware is better for us as customers, than understanding that the world moves along and the hardware one gets is the best that is available at the time, you are very confused.

You must have missed my post where a user was able to enable some of these features on an Intel Mac. Even on a 2015 machine it was functional. I think it is you who are confused.

Apple’s tight integration between their hardware, software, and silicon teams is the reason they are able do what they do. This means that they add features in their silicon they need to enable new features in their software. Your approach would be the opposite of this, only develop things that can be done with Intel’s generic CPUs.

No, I said they should have two teams developing for M1 and Intel for at least a few years. Not only Intel.

Fortunately, you can buy whatever you want, and keep your old tech as long as you want.

Not so sure with M1 machines, Apple will dictate which software you run.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

You are have been warped by Intel’s slow hardware release cycle. Apple adds new hardware support in their silicon every generation and that means that there are likely to be features that are only supported by new chips with every release. The machine you bought still does everything it bought that got you to buy it, as well as those new features that it is able to support. I want a world were things move quickly, rather than one artificially held back to keep old machines supported.

Ivy is that you?

 

[telo123]

Eating a bag of popcorn whilst all of y'all argue about this. This thread is entertaining on both sides lol.

 

[Alan Wynn]

See, this isn't what I'm asking. But since you're throwing it out there, yea, if someone is dropping $15k on an Intel Mac Pro, those features should be available on that machine, regardless of whether it's the intel or M_ vatriant.

No. My B/F has a MacPro and is not at all concerned about these features being available. He bought it to do specific things and it does them very well. We are both looking forward to replacement for the MacPro that runs Apple Silicon. Faster, quieter and less expensive to run.

Come on man, are we really going to jump through this mental gymnastics right now?

These features come over from iOS/iPadOS and so were built using the neural engine. Spending energy reimplementing them on Intel makes no sense.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Sorry, why is it wrong? Did Apple lie about this? Are they hiding the fact that they are discontinuing Intel Macs? Are they not allowed to add features to new Macs?

If Apple didn’t add new features to the new Macs, there wouldn’t be much impetus to ever upgrade, would there? They’d also have a pretty hard time competing with other PC makers if they never added anything new. If you want the new features, buy the new Macs. That’s it. There is nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

I have already explain why it is wrong.

So you agree that Apple are only doing this to force people to upgrade, next year the features missing will be bigger. For those that are just buying an Intel machine right now, good luck.

 

[SuperMatt]

@Alan Wynn

You're holding it wrong.

Your posts have ignored everything I said and again, obtuse replies. You must work for Apple PR!

Although my highlights


No


You must have missed my post where a user was able to enable some of these features on an Intel Mac. Even on a 2015 machine it was functional. I think it is you who are confused.


No, I said they should have two teams developing for M1 and Intel for at least a few years. Not only Intel.


Not so sure with M1 machines, Apple will dictate which software you run.

Apple has no obligation to add features to old Macs. They aren’t removing features promised to buyers of those Macs. Nobody is losing anything. If you want the M1-specific features, buy an M1 Mac.

 

[SuperMatt]

So you agree that Apple are only doing this to force people to upgrade, next year the features missing will be bigger. For those that are just buying an Intel machine right now, good luck.

Yes. They are adding features to new machines in hopes that you will upgrade. That is how it works. If you want new features, you buy new stuff. You want new features added to your old Mac for free? Good news - you get quite a few with Monterey. But some stuff is only for the newer machines. You are not entitled to all Apple’s new inventions because you bought a Mac some years ago. Nobody is being forced to do anything though.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Apple has no obligation to add features to old Macs. They aren’t removing features promised to buyers of those Macs. Nobody is losing anything. If you want the M1-specific features, buy an M1 Mac.

The Macs are not old, they are current. It is the current top model, you can buy it right now. They are not under obligation, but I expect it with Apple. I pay the extra buck for Apple. I expect others to do such things.

I won't be buying any more Macs thank you lol. That is the last time I give 3.5k to these numpties to fob me off.

 

[7709876]

They could have stopped selling Intel-based machines immediately once the apple silicon macs were announced. Would that make everyone happy?

No?

Didn’t think so.

No, what would have made everyone happy was spending the development time on implementing these features on both platforms.

Apple is the most profitable company in the world. They have huge margins. This is just them shafting customers to save money.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Yes, but what I am saying is that the latest MacBook Pro 16" on sale now, is not compatible with the latest features just announced. Older iPhones may be on sale, but the latest one will support the new features. I am happy for the line to be drawn, just not after one year.

These features have not yet been released. The software will not ship until the fall. When it does, there will be Apple Silicon hardware that has replaced all of this hardware. Just as when the iOS 15 ships there will be a new iPhone that will have features they have not yet shown that will not work on the current top of the line.

Paying or not paying for the OS makes no difference to me, I just expect a new machine to support new features for a reasonable amount of time. ie three years.

Then you should not buy Apple hardware.

 

[7709876]

These features use the Neural engine specific to Apple silicon. If you want features that use that, buy a Mac with Apple silicon. This really isn’t difficult. Apple’s not going to try and write a similar feature for an architecture they are abandoning.

It would be a waste of time and money to do what you’re proposing.

If you actually believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Yes. They are adding features to new machines in hopes that you will upgrade. That is how it works. If you want new features, you buy new stuff. You want new features added to your old Mac for free? Good news - you get quite a few with Monterey. But some stuff is only for the newer machines. You are not entitled to all Apple’s new inventions because you bought a Mac some years ago. Nobody is being forced to do anything though.

If you are happy to do that, go ahead. I am sure Apple can see you coming a mile off.

 

[SuperMatt]

The Macs are not old, they are current. It is the current top model, you can buy it right now. They are not under obligation, but I expect it with Apple. I pay the extra buck for Apple. I expect others to do such things.

I won't be buying any more Macs thank you lol. That is the last time I give 3.5k to these numpties to fob me off.

If you want the M1-specific features, you buy the M1 Macs. If you are talking about current Macs, why even complain? Just buy the Mac with the features you want. You realize not all Macs have the same features, right?

 

[cmaier]

 

[cmaier]

No, what would have made everyone happy was spending the development time on implementing these features on both platforms.

Apple is the most profitable company in the world. They have huge margins. This is just them shafting customers to save money.

Everyone always happy to spend other people’s money.

 

[hgmDQnmScv(5^8d>]

Then you should not buy Apple hardware.

I am not going to.

If you want the M1-specific features, you buy the M1 Macs. If you are talking about current Macs, why even complain? Just buy the Mac with the features you want. You realize not all Macs have the same features, right?

Yes, I understand that, the issue here is that I understand that Apple has decided, via greed and nothing more (sure the fan boys can claim it isn't part of the development workflow blah blah) to leave Intel users out in the cold. I am not talking about old Intels, I am talking about brand new machines on sale now. They could if they so wished, developed these features for Intel. They decided not to. I disagree with their choice and won't buy Apple again. End of story.

 

[SuperMatt]

Such an entitled attitude from many on this forum. Apple can put whatever features it wants on whatever Macs it wants. They have not removed any features from previously sold Macs, nor lied about features on the upcoming ones. It has no obligation to add features to old Macs, but it regularly does. But Apple is evil because it didn’t add all the features some people wanted for free to their existing Intel Macs?

 

[Alan Wynn]

I would expect a machine still sold by them to have the same features as one regardless of architecture.

That has never been the case, nor should it be. The same is true for their iPhones, iPads, etc.

 

[SuperMatt]

That has never been the case, nor should it be. The same is true for their iPhones, iPads, etc.

Exactly. Reading some of these comments, I expect people to be angry that their Macbook Air doesn’t support 1.5TB of RAM just like the Mac Pro.