SGS2 vs iPhone4

[El3ctronics]

These are quite stark requirements. Got any sources/proof that this is true?

EDIT: And if that 90% statistic is true, why isn't the iPhone at 90% marketshare penetration?

1. B/c it's not available on every carrier.
2. The iPhone is a phone and a single device. Android/WebOS/Windows Phone are operating systems and on multiple devices. You're comparing apples to oranges.
3. The iPhone is only released once a year while devices with other OS's are released throughout the year. Human nature is to want the latest device.

 

[ChazUK]

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These are quite stark requirements. Got any sources/proof that this is true?

EDIT: And if that 90% statistic is true, why isn't the iPhone at 90% marketshare penetration?

1. B/c it's not available on every carrier.
2. The iPhone is a phone and a single device. Android/WebOS/Windows Phone are operating systems and on multiple devices. You're comparing apples to oranges.
3. The iPhone is only released once a year while devices with other OS's are released throughout the year. Human nature is to want the latest device.

I still don't swallow it.

Here in the UK the iPhone is available free on every carrier and despite this, it still doesn't have 90% marketshare here.

The marketshare argument falls short from a US perspective too as AT&T and Verizon are huge compared to the likes of Sprint and T-Mobile.

If 90% of people really did require what the poster I replied to said, the iPhone marketshare as a whole could easily be higher.

 

[El3ctronics]

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I still don't swallow it.

Here in the UK the iPhone is available free on every carrier and despite this, it still doesn't have 90% marketshare here.

The marketshare argument falls short from a US perspective too as AT&T and Verizon are huge compared to the likes of Sprint and T-Mobile.

If 90% of people really did require what the poster I replied to said, the iPhone marketshare as a whole could easily be higher.

What in the world are you smoking!? The iPhone is a single device that requires a data plan that is also expensive in MOST countries. You really think one phone with those requirements would EVER obtain 90% market share!? There isn't a single device in the world that would ever come close to 50% market share...that's just an absurd statement and totally unreasonable expectation.

 

[kdarling]

What in the world are you smoking!? The iPhone is a single device that requires a data plan that is also expensive in MOST countries. You really think one phone with those requirements would EVER obtain 90% market share!? There isn't a single device in the world that would ever come close to 50% market share...that's just an absurd statement and totally unreasonable expectation.

Calm down and read the thread before jumping in.

Then you'll see that the discussion was: "If 90% of smartphone buyers don't care about specs, then why don't 90% buy iPhones."

 

[ChazUK]

What in the world are you smoking!? The iPhone is a single device that requires a data plan that is also expensive in MOST countries. You really think one phone with those requirements would EVER obtain 90% market share!? There isn't a single device in the world that would ever come close to 50% market share...that's just an absurd statement and totally unreasonable expectation.

I'm referring to this:

90% of the people don't know thing about if their phone have dual core or 1GB or ram. <snip>

What people want is...

If the 90% of people don't care about what TEHi posted about but 90% do care about the rest of his/her criteria, why hasn't it gained 90% market penetration?

In no way did I suggest what 90% of people do or don't want, what I asked is for proof of TEHi's 90% statistic.

It's nice to see that you first refuted what I wrote with "1. B/c it's not available on every carrier." but now follow up with "You really think one phone with those requirements would EVER obtain 90% market share!?". Why wasn't that your original question?

Is any of this sinking in?

(FYI, I don't smoke anything)

EDIT: Thanks for understanding kdarling. More people need to respond with their brains rather than emotions it seems.

 

[El3ctronics]

Calm down and read the thread before jumping in.

Then you'll see that the discussion was: "If 90% of smartphone buyers don't care about specs, then why don't 90% buy iPhones."

I read the thread and saw that quote. But just b/c 90% don't care about specs doesn't mean 1. it's available on their carrier and 2. they can afford the iPhone. And once again, the iPhone is a single device so there is no chance it can ever have anything close to that type of market share.

 

[ChazUK]

I read the thread and saw that quote. But just b/c 90% don't care about specs doesn't mean 1. it's available on their carrier and 2. they can afford the iPhone. And once again, the iPhone is a single device so there is no chance it can ever have anything close to that type of market share.

Which is why I'll say again, it is available (for free) on every major UK carrier but NOT at 90% smartphonep/b] marketshare over here. The carrier excuse is invalid on this tiny island. Where is your single device information coming from? iPhone 4 and 3Gs are on sale right now, two models FYI.

The iPhone 3GS is available from free on £25 a month contracts. This is a very competitive rate for smartphone contracts in the UK so it is affordable too.

More models would not automatically equal more sales either. If there were 5 iPhones today (vs your 1), do you really think it would sell 5 times more?

EDIT: Just for clarification, did you really think I was lumping non smartphones against the iPhone in my posts? That would be wholly pointless and unfair.

 

[iApples]

I'm referring to this:



If the 90% of people don't care about what TEHi posted about but 90% do care about the rest of his/her criteria, why hasn't it gained 90% market penetration?

In no way did I suggest what 90% of people do or don't want, what I asked is for proof of TEHi's 90% statistic.

It's nice to see that you first refuted what I wrote with "1. B/c it's not available on every carrier." but now follow up with "You really think one phone with those requirements would EVER obtain 90% market share!?". Why wasn't that your original question?

Is any of this sinking in?

(FYI, I don't smoke anything)

EDIT: Thanks for understanding kdarling. More people need to respond with their brains rather than emotions it seems.

90% of iPhone owners don't care about the actual specs. Not 90% of the worlds population. The iPhone is one of the most sold phones ever. There has been 4 iPhone's ever created and it has sold hundreds of million devices. Android has hundreds of devices. How could you possibly compare something that has made hundreds of devices, to a company that has made 4 phones. One every year.

The majority of smartphone owners don't care of specs period. The same goes for actual computer owners. Half of the people don't even know what the majority of the specs mean. They assume the higher the number, the better it is.

The iPhone is cheap... But a 2 or 3 year contract is expensive. So of course you would NEVER get a 90% market share. You'll never get that for any phone. Not to mention, it's not available to everyone around the world. So common sense would say that could never happen.

I'll guarantee Apple could release the iPhone 5 identical to the iPhone 4 (Spec wise) and just add a few new features that you couldn't get with the iPhone 4 and sell over a hundred million of them. Marketing is key, and Apple dominates that.

 

[El3ctronics]

Which is why I'll say again, it is available (for free) on every major UK carrier but NOT at 90% smartphonep/b] marketshare over here. The carrier excuse is invalid on this tiny island. Where is your single device information coming from? iPhone 4 and 3Gs are on sale right now, two models FYI.

The iPhone 3GS is available from free on £25 a month contracts. This is a very competitive rate for smartphone contracts in the UK so it is affordable too.

More models would not automatically equal more sales either. If there were 5 iPhones today (vs your 1), do you really think it would sell 5 times more?

EDIT: Just for clarification, did you really think I was lumping non smartphones against the iPhone in my posts? That would be wholly pointless and unfair.

iPhone 3GS is a 2 year old phone that most people will not buy. I don't know what the iPhone 4 is sold for in the UK but I'm sure it's not FREE. Besides that fact, it's also a one year old device and as I previously stated, many people will go for the latest and greatest without having a full understanding of the differences between each. That's not to say that the iPhone is better than some competitors on the market but a good portion of people don't know the difference and don't care. Throw in the fact that competing OS's are implemented on multiple devices (and not one like the iPhone) and it's a pretty ridiculous notion that iOS will ever gain 90% market share.

 

[ChazUK]

90% of iPhone owners don't care about the actual specs. Not 90% of the worlds population.

" 90% of the people don't know thing about if their phone have dualcore or 1GB or ram." reads to me that the 90% statistic goes beyond the iPhone demographic.

I wasn't ever expecting 90% marketshare of the iPhone, no will I ever, all I was asking for is proof of this 90% statistic.

Are you able to source these figures? I hate it when people band around statistics with little to no backup. This is why I ask.

 

[ChazUK]

iPhone 3GS is a 2 year old phone that most people will not buy.

Why not? It's an iPhone after-all.

I don't know what the iPhone 4 is sold for in the UK but I'm sure it's not FREE.

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mo...-iphone4?portal=GOOGLE&promo=PPCPAYM&ppc=true

See screenshots below. (First is iPhone 4, 2nd is 3GS)

Besides that fact, it's also a one year old device and as I previously stated, many people will go for the latest and greatest without having a full understanding of the differences between each.
That's not to say that the iPhone is better than some competitors on the market but a good portion of people don't know the difference and don't care. Throw in the fact that competing OS's are implemented on multiple devices (and not one like the iPhone) and it's a pretty ridiculous notion that iOS will ever gain 90% market share.

Read this again (if you have at all)

90% of the people don't know thing about if their phone have dual core or 1GB or ram. They don't care if the phone runs a 3d graphic test sequence at 60fps, or that phones with the same OS sells 18,000 per day. They don't want to need to hack their phones to make it look good. People don't want to download an app to close apps because it will eat the battery quicker.

What people want is, a huge selection of great apps ad games without even guessing if it will be compatible with their phone or not. Download and run. simple. People want to switch app while having a smooth animation on their screen. People likes to listen to music with the best portable music playing program. They also like to be able to choose from more than 2,000 cases for their phone.

I read this as 90% of people don't care/want this but they do want this (which pretty much describes the iPhone, Including the 3GS). I just want a survey, research or anything to prove what TEHi originally posted (that you have so valiantly defended).

Will you prove or give me a source at all? I always try to back up my claims with evidence, otherwise I won't make a claim at all.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I wasn't ever expecting 90% marketshare of the iPhone, no will I ever, all I was asking for is proof of this 90% statistic.

Have you ever heard of "Guesstimate" or "Speculate"?

 

[ChazUK]

Have you ever heard of "Guesstimate" or "Speculate"?

Of course I have. They are normally start with "My guess is..." or "I'd estimate..." or even "I'd speculate....."

Did I miss that in the post then? The post I read seemed very factual (with no facts) and no room for speculation. Do you see it otherwise?

Let me put it another way, if I posted "90% of people don't want an iPhone as it's crap because of xxx and yyy"' would you think I was speculating?

(For the record, I don't think it's crap)

 

[eseminario]

I will never compare an iPhone with another Smartphone for a simple reason: iOS works GREAT with every iPhone component. The competitors could have better components in some ocassions (like a higher resolution camera or something) but the OS of those devices are terrible.

 

[JetBlack7]

Using the words of the ilustrious Stan Smith from "American Dad" : "WHY DON'T YOU MARRY ANDROID IF YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH!?"

And I leave you with this:

Why you shouldn't buy an Android x)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhQIgBOEZU

 

[Appslover]

The samsung is oviously better!

1. Much much faster processor.
2. More RAM
3. Bigger, high resolution screen.
4. True colors unlike the yellowish iphone
5. Clearer screen unlike the grainy iphone
6. FREE OPEN SOURCE OS!
7. More apps
8. Free Apps
9. Sleeker and better looking
10. Quality product unlike the cheap made in China iphone.

 

[Maziar]

The samsung is oviously better!

1. Much much faster processor.
2. More RAM
3. Bigger, high resolution screen.
4. True colors unlike the yellowish iphone
5. Clearer screen unlike the grainy iphone
6. FREE OPEN SOURCE OS!
7. More apps
8. Free Apps
9. Sleeker and better looking
10. Quality product unlike the cheap made in China iphone.

3)The screen is bigger but the resolution is lower
4)Not all iPhones have the yellow tint problem
4)Grainy ?!
6)For those who don't jailbreak,yes
7)lol ? App store recently crossed 500k apps whereas android is like 200k(IIR)
8)You can find lots of free apps in the Apple app store
9)It's sleeker but not necessarily better looking
10)lol,so I assume all of apple products are cheap cuz they're made in China ?

 

[annk]

Finally got my SGS2. First impressions are that it's a really nice phone. Love the huge screen and how thin and light it is. Played around with the different screens getting it just how I wanted it. Transferred and backed up my data using MyBackup Pro with no problems.

I've only had a borrowed iPhone for a few weeks once, never owned one. So yesterday it was interesting to sit down with a friend who has an iPhone. We compared them and tried out the other's phone.

Our conclusion was that they're both really nice phones, we'd likely be happy with either, but for now we're each pleased with what we have.

Vive la difference.

 

[mark28]

It doesn't compare the S2 has two 1.2 GHZ processors, 4.3 inch screen, 1gb of ram, 16gb internal memory, 8mp camera and records 1080p video and on and on. The only thing I would give to the iphone is more pixels per inch, simple OS appeals to a lot of people, itunes for movies, shows, and netflix. even though the retina screen is beautiful so is the S2's. Plus I am getting more than twice as fast upload download speeds on at&t's 3g.

The screen of the Samsung Galaxy S2 is sooooooo much better than the iPhone 4.

Both the iPad 2 and iPhone 4 display are ugly in comparison to Samsung phones.

It's better than my iPod Touch, but if Apple wants my money for the iPhone 5, they got to bring out something really good. Else i might take a droid phone.

 

[mark28]

iPhone 3GS is a 2 year old phone that most people will not buy. I don't know what the iPhone 4 is sold for in the UK but I'm sure it's not FREE. Besides that fact, it's also a one year old device and as I previously stated, many people will go for the latest and greatest without having a full understanding of the differences between each. That's not to say that the iPhone is better than some competitors on the market but a good portion of people don't know the difference and don't care. Throw in the fact that competing OS's are implemented on multiple devices (and not one like the iPhone) and it's a pretty ridiculous notion that iOS will ever gain 90% market share.

I think the iPhone 4 is extremely overpriced what you get for it, especially with the Samsung Galaxy S2 which basically beats the iPhone 4 at everything at a lower price too?

I was waiting for the iPhone 5 anyway. My phone still works perfectly and i got an iPod touch for my music

 

[Nishi100]

The samsung is oviously better!

1. Much much faster processor. The A4 is more than capable, and the A5 will be in the next iPhone. It's not all about specs; it's about how those components are optimised to work with the software.
2. More RAM True.
3. Bigger, high resolution screen. It's bigger, which I like. Yes, it has a high res screen, but not as sharp as the iPhone; then again, I would prefer a larger screen, with less ppi as I can't really tell the difference, unless I look really close.
4. True colors unlike the yellowish iphone Samsung's AMOLED doesn't have true colours - it has high saturation to make it look pleasing to the eye. However, again, I prefer AMOLED, as: black is truly black, better contrast and more brightness (and the high saturation does look nice).
5. Clearer screen unlike the grainy iphone Don't know what you're talking about.
6. FREE OPEN SOURCE OS! So...
7. More apps You're wrong. Even if you're right, more doesn't equal better.
8. Free Apps The App Store, and the Market place (android's app store), both have free and paid apps.
9. Sleeker and better looking Opinion.
10. Quality product unlike the cheap made in China iphone. Don't know what you're talking about. Samsung makes some of the parts for the iPhone, and they'll probably use the same factory for making parts for the S2.

Green = have a point;
Orange = getting there;
Red = opinion / complete rubbish.

I do like the SGS2, but I like the iPhone and cba to re-buy all my apps etc. However, the iPhone is lacking screen size, and the screen, although sharp, doesn't have the best contrast, brightness and saturation (like AMOLED). And iOS needs a new look, especially notifications and the home screen (like widgets.)

 

[El3ctronics]

Can former iPhone users who have switched to the SGS2 comment on how the transition has been and whether or not they are happy with their decision? I'm contemplating making the move but would like to hear from people who have switched first. Thanks.

 

[genetic]

Can former iPhone users who have switched to the SGS2 comment on how the transition has been and whether or not they are happy with their decision? I'm contemplating making the move but would like to hear from people who have switched first. Thanks.

this, an unbiased poster too please. lol

 

[maclaptop]

Finally got my SGS2. First impressions are that it's a really nice phone. Love the huge screen and how thin and light it is. Played around with the different screens getting it just how I wanted it. Transferred my backed up my and data using MyBackup Pro with no problems.

I've only had a borrowed iPhone for a few weeks once, never owned one. So yesterday it was interesting to sit down with a friend who has an iPhone. We compared them and tried out the other's phone.

Our conclusion was that they're both really nice phones, we'd likely be happy with either, but for now we're each pleased with what we have.

Vive la difference.

It's so refreshing to read a good neutral post like this. And let me qualify my comment, I'm not being patronizing because you are a moderator. I simply enjoyed your post.

I use BOTH Androids and iPhone's and enjoy them all.

I'm just a hard core tech enthusiast, engineer, and long time Mac Laptop user. If I've had one, I've had over 25 PowerBooks / MacBook Pros. I am _NOT_ bragging simply sharing a bit of my experience background.

That said I work in a cross platform environment where some of the highly specialized vertical market software, is only available for PC. So I have ThinkPads and MacBooks.

I say MacBooks because I have about one of each model of MBP plus MBA at any given time.

Again, I'm not braggingm just revealing that fact because I'm proud to be a big supporter of the Mac Platform.

Conversely, if you've read my posts you also know that I'm not shy and very outspoken about my disdain for the Apple Attitude and Culture. I don't "hate" it, but I loath it, since there is (in my mind) no reason for Apple and it's CEO to be so flippin narcissistic, dictatorial, and all knowing. Apple is a wonderful company that doesn't have any need to act this way. They've already got so much going for them it's truly amazing.

Also due to my very long association with Apple, I remember Steve when he was a genuinely nice guy without the attitude he harbors today.

If I didn't care I wouldn't complain about it, but really this guy is just over the top with his greed, and the condescending attitude that rears it's ugly head all too often. So anyway, enough of that.

Suffice to say I will always be honest in sharing my personal experiences with all the various devices I own, since there is no substitute for owning and living with it, to know what it's like.

Those who read a review written by a single person, or believe most everything they read in forums are only cheating themselves out of using their own minds to decide.

I find the current crop of smartphones (everyone included) a really nice mix.

Nothing beats the refinement of the iPhone (just my opinion) yet nothing beats the experience of holding a very powerful and unique hand held computer that offers free access to the file system.

I have no desire to declare one over the other, as I like choices, competition and I've also been doing this long enough to have witnessed the ebb and flow of different platforms. RIM with it's BlackBerry was on top of the world and seemingly unbeatable until the iPhone was introduced.

It took the experience to the next level and introduced the touch interface to millions and millions of users. It goes without saying that Apple is on Top, and that is to be celebrated, not used as a tool to bash others.

At the end of the day, nothing beats variety and choices.

Cheers...

 

[Appslover]

Finally got my SGS2. First impressions are that it's a really nice phone. Love the huge screen and how thin and light it is. Played around with the different screens getting it just how I wanted it. Transferred my backed up my and data using MyBackup Pro with no problems.

I've only had a borrowed iPhone for a few weeks once, never owned one. So yesterday it was interesting to sit down with a friend who has an iPhone. We compared them and tried out the other's phone.

Our conclusion was that they're both really nice phones, we'd likely be happy with either, but for now we're each pleased with what we have.

Vive la difference.

Ann you are my favorite mod!!!

It is great to have a moderator that uses and loves Android. Many members here refuse to accept facts about Android vs iOS and immediately call anyone that uses Android a "troll". But it is ok for them to post all that exagerated praise for iOS and talk down android .

An Android loving mod like you keeps this place nice and free of iOS "overenthusiastic posters". We need to allow freedom of opinion and freedom of phone of choise!

Thanks for keepking the peace in this forum and making it a good place to discuss regardless of phone of choice.

Viva Androide