i'd love to see Apple come out with a balls-out PRO machine... meant ONLY for serious 3D rendering and video processing... even if it was a 1-off prototype. Or perhaps an XServe Raid shown processing files... say a 30-server config, each processing a frame out of each second... and see what happens. i don't imagine this would get regular users excited. i'm talking about industry people. i hear the pains about rendering speeds... and i suffer through them constantly. network rendering is a help, but the macs here still chug on fairly easy renderings. imagine someone trying to render a MystIII or Riven image on Macs... UGH. I love Macs, but to serve the industry Apple seems to want to conquer... they need to deliver horsepower. i don't care if that means going to Intel chips... speed, speed, speed.
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Funny how alot of you people say "too expensive, won't work on my machine" or "bad move apple."
Can't you see apple is entering the pro market again? If you read about shake, all it says is it is for PROFESSIONAL USERS. Now you people that say its too expensive, probly have never made a movie over 15 minutes. Its not too expensive if you do it for a living.
And, odd that it releases the same day as Jaguar aint it? So, new powermacs?
Funny how alot of you people say "too expensive, won't work on my machine" or "bad move apple."
Can't you see apple is entering the pro market again? If you read about shake, all it says is it is for PROFESSIONAL USERS. Now you people that say its too expensive, probly have never made a movie over 15 minutes. Its not too expensive if you do it for a living.
And, odd that it releases the same day as Jaguar aint it? So, new powermacs?
Guys, I think you shouldn't fear too much about "Oh it's not running on my iBook ...". I am a Shake compositing artist (on Windows at the moment) and the actual Windows version runs on almost every PC. It won't be really fast but I think you can work with it on a iMac, iBook, ... A bigger problem is screen resolution because it's not really fun to work on 800x600 or 1024x768 with Shake, but it's possible!
office
ms office is more expensive on mac.
at least educationally, about 100$ more.
and you get more with it on the pc (access).
but this pricing, from what people have said, does not raise any price, just lowers the mac price. which is good.
the problem, as we all know, is that we need hardware to make it worth the $4K.
let's get new pmacs.
ms office is more expensive on mac.
at least educationally, about 100$ more.
and you get more with it on the pc (access).
but this pricing, from what people have said, does not raise any price, just lowers the mac price. which is good.
the problem, as we all know, is that we need hardware to make it worth the $4K.
let's get new pmacs.
Originally posted by daRAT
Office for Mac OS X = 439$
Office XP Pro = 495$
Office XP standard = 409$
Just to get your facts straight :] Yes Mac office is 10x better than windows version. On the matter of Shake, never heard of it, won't use it, couldn't care less. Having said that, the higher Windows, Linux platform price just leaves the door open for a competitor to Shake to arise
My 2 bits ...
well, if your looking for a deal, Best Buy was advertising 249$ for it in our sunday paper. I don't know the price normally, really couldn't care
Re: Funny
just for clarity... there are a decent amount of professional movies that are less than 15 minutes.... primarily animations which would use these types of software packages (along with maya, etc). running time is not much of an indicator of "professional" or not.
this is great news... if nothing else, the hardware/software that is used here... ie, shake and then the hardware that is needed to run it (let's hope it's something very powerful)... that technology will eventually trickle down to the lower pro user and consumers... while i doubt we'll see an "iShake" or anything like that... we might see a bit more compositing type options in apple's lesser software.... maybe
just for clarity... there are a decent amount of professional movies that are less than 15 minutes.... primarily animations which would use these types of software packages (along with maya, etc). running time is not much of an indicator of "professional" or not.
this is great news... if nothing else, the hardware/software that is used here... ie, shake and then the hardware that is needed to run it (let's hope it's something very powerful)... that technology will eventually trickle down to the lower pro user and consumers... while i doubt we'll see an "iShake" or anything like that... we might see a bit more compositing type options in apple's lesser software.... maybe
Office XP Pricing
While the "retail" price of Office XP is close to that of the Mac OS X version, the trick is that nobody pays "retail".
If you're an organization, you do a deal with Microsoft that ensures more of their software on your machines for reduced prices.
Otherwise, you just buy PCs (from Dell and the usual crowd) that have it pre-bundled for approximately $100. (See Dell's build-to-order site: Upgrade to Microsoft® Office XP Small Business w/EducateU [add $100] )
While the "retail" price of Office XP is close to that of the Mac OS X version, the trick is that nobody pays "retail".
If you're an organization, you do a deal with Microsoft that ensures more of their software on your machines for reduced prices.
Otherwise, you just buy PCs (from Dell and the usual crowd) that have it pre-bundled for approximately $100. (See Dell's build-to-order site: Upgrade to Microsoft® Office XP Small Business w/EducateU [add $100] )
Re: Bashing Windows!
As I understand it, when apple bought shake they announced that future versions/upgrades will support other platforms for a year. So the folks will be forced to switch eventually.
Originally posted by Stike
Apple is bashing Windows-Shake Users especially! They want them to switch, and here is the reason:
"*Shake 2.5 for Windows is available to existing Shake 2.46 Windows customers only. "
Older versions are supported only if the users are NOT running Windows!
As I understand it, when apple bought shake they announced that future versions/upgrades will support other platforms for a year. So the folks will be forced to switch eventually.
Originally posted by drastik
well, if your looking for a deal, Best Buy was advertising 249$ for it in our sunday paper. I don't know the price normally, really couldn't care
Well if I were you and you're REAL sure that it's not an upgrade (the standard upgrade to office is $229 on the best buy website) I'd run down there and buy as many copies as you can since the best buy web site sells it for $449 which is $50 cheaper than the standard retail price of $499 for both Mac and Windows.
Office has been $400+ dollars for about as long as I can remember. Guess how much they'll charge you just for MS Word? About $350. Now you know why everyone has the whole office suite.
My guess is somebody forgot to add the word "upgrade" to the ad. They don't have to sell it to you for that. It could also be the previous version, which would cost $229 to upgrade. Not a deal.
My recommendation... go get it and then Ebay it!
Personally I think this is stonking news.... and totally the way to go by pricing it competitively.... and knocking almost half the price off for the Mac version is totally outrageous.......
Nice to see that the winjers are still complaining that it's expensive...... or that it won't run on a G3........ welll cost is relative..... knocking half the cost off is a big move....... as is offering to double the licenses....... sounds like solid deal to me...... although obviously not good enough for those that were expecting a free iShake iapp........
As avkills has said this is ULTRA HIGH END compositing software........ (not for f**king iMovie) more along the lines of Discreet Flame.... there really isn't much difference in price for a configured Flame hardware/software system and building yourself a Mac/Shake hardware/software solution....... and Shake is already seemingly already established in the Post market, so I don't think that Apple will have any major problems here........
Judging by the specs 800Mhz isn't that bad..... neither is the RAM, but you can bet that Apple has some serious hardware in the pipeline to really capture the whole hi-end post market...... also the need for a three button mouse...... lets just hope that as well as having the above in the pipeline, they also have a graphics tablet....... tablets IMHO and experience....... are so much better for this type of work than any mouse.....
Well I look forward to going to some of the seminars that Apple will hopefully be planning to demonstrate exactly what this package can do........ and maybe even make me leave my beloved Discreet Combustion package in the trash..
Nice to see that the winjers are still complaining that it's expensive...... or that it won't run on a G3........ welll cost is relative..... knocking half the cost off is a big move....... as is offering to double the licenses....... sounds like solid deal to me...... although obviously not good enough for those that were expecting a free iShake iapp........
As avkills has said this is ULTRA HIGH END compositing software........ (not for f**king iMovie) more along the lines of Discreet Flame.... there really isn't much difference in price for a configured Flame hardware/software system and building yourself a Mac/Shake hardware/software solution....... and Shake is already seemingly already established in the Post market, so I don't think that Apple will have any major problems here........
Judging by the specs 800Mhz isn't that bad..... neither is the RAM, but you can bet that Apple has some serious hardware in the pipeline to really capture the whole hi-end post market...... also the need for a three button mouse...... lets just hope that as well as having the above in the pipeline, they also have a graphics tablet....... tablets IMHO and experience....... are so much better for this type of work than any mouse.....
Well I look forward to going to some of the seminars that Apple will hopefully be planning to demonstrate exactly what this package can do........ and maybe even make me leave my beloved Discreet Combustion package in the trash..
Originally posted by jadam
HAHAHAHHAHAAH DAMN APPLE!! ! wont run on my ibook 700 :-/
ohh well, HAHAHAHAHAHA to all of you who bought the 667 thinking thats all that you would need
okay, we should all get something straight. This program will not run on a desktop machine. about the only thing you could do with this program, even with the top of the line PowrMac, is view the "About Shake" window. As a matter of fact, I would be extremely suprised if this program would even boot up with less than 2 gigs of RAM. And that's still really, REALLY cutting it close.
This program has to be run on an Xserve cluster. No less than 2 dual-proc. configs maxed out with RAM. Period.
Compositing on an iMac...*snicker*..give me a break.
Originally posted by iH8Quark
okay, we should all get something straight. This program will not run on a desktop machine. about the only thing you could do with this program, even with the top of the line PowrMac, is view the "About Shake" window. As a matter of fact, I would be extremely suprised if this program would even boot up with less than 2 gigs of RAM. And that's still really, REALLY cutting it close.
This program has to be run on an Xserve cluster. No less than 2 dual-proc. configs maxed out with RAM. Period.
Compositing on an iMac...*snicker*..give me a break.
Do you really mean this or did I miss the joke? Shake is a "normal" application as most other apps. You can run it on very different machines: it will be fast on highend macs and slower on not-so-highend macs. But you don't need a Xserver cluster. At the moment you can't even run it on a cluster without thirdparty render management software.
now i'm stuck wondering if you realy know what you're talking about. i work with a few large post houses. most of our high end compsiting is done on Inferno systems or using Shake. Granted, Shake is typically what we use for an offline composite, but it is almost always running on a rediculously powerful workstation, not a desktop.
I guess it all depends on what you're doing with it. I suppose you may be right, if you're keeping it relatively simple. I suppose you could equate it to combustion, but...
Different experiences with it, I guess. Or perhaps I'm just wrong.
I think we both mean almost the same
I earn my money as a feature film effects shake artist, so I know what I'm talking about. Of course you're right, it's not real fun to do 2k or 4k comps on a ibook or powerbook. But for video resolution or film tests/previews (where you work with proxys) it should work quite well.I'm working here on a single CPU Athlon 1,3 GHz PC with 2k and 4k directly from the server (with Gigabit Ethernet) and that works fine. So running shake on an actual (dual 800 or 1Ghz mac) machine with alot of RAM should be really fine.
I am pretty sure he meant that a lot of large studios either write there own programs or add to existing programs to where they are almost completely different from their off the shelf cousins. And besides that, I am quite positive that Shrek went through some sort of compositing program when it was edited for the movie. It definetely was not rendered exactly like you see on screen.
I also think that Apple must have some sort of hardware that is capable of running Shake on systems that are at least similar to what is out there now on the PC side. If they don't, I somehow don't see anyone willing to move to much slower machines, even if the liscences are doubled. That doesn't mean that most companies can hire double the amount of people to get the work done, does it? They would pretty much have to though if Shake is that much slower on the current Powermacs.
Anyway, like I have said before, none of this Shake business bothers me anyway. I want a Powermac that will outperform a PC. The price is set like it can, but the performance level says otherwise.
About the 3 button ouse
I would just like to let ppl know that you can use a logitech scroll mouse for a 3 button mouse. at least in maya on osX you can.
I would just like to let ppl know that you can use a logitech scroll mouse for a 3 button mouse. at least in maya on osX you can.
Futureman's right, for that matter, you can use it in IE, and I do. Still, its different to have ability to do three button and the rewuirement, Apple could just bundle a 3rd party mouse. Hell, I used to work for a company that gave you a PC included in the cost of softare.
is that a fact?
really?
i have never used after effects, 'coz i didn't know, what i could do with it.
that's really cool to know...
Re: Intense new hardware coming
Apple should not be in the mouse business. Let third parties make 2 and 3 button mice, trackballs and tablets.
The price was 9990 before and is still unless you go OSX.
This sort of software is likely used in conjunction with servers and server farms, not so much single user computers.
Although a top end powermac can also run it.
Vertical market software typically delivered on UNIX variants is a market Apple is going after with its developer outreach and this is good news for top end vertical applications which are about to become alot easier to use, more widely available, and in some cases lower price.
The era of client server is back and now with the internet everywhere we are very close to Star Trek:TNG webpads and **** Tracey watches.
Rocketman
Apple should not be in the mouse business. Let third parties make 2 and 3 button mice, trackballs and tablets.
The price was 9990 before and is still unless you go OSX.
This sort of software is likely used in conjunction with servers and server farms, not so much single user computers.
Although a top end powermac can also run it.
Vertical market software typically delivered on UNIX variants is a market Apple is going after with its developer outreach and this is good news for top end vertical applications which are about to become alot easier to use, more widely available, and in some cases lower price.
The era of client server is back and now with the internet everywhere we are very close to Star Trek:TNG webpads and **** Tracey watches.
Rocketman
HAHAHA
I just love that windows users have to pay more than we do for the same thing...that makes me happy
I just love that windows users have to pay more than we do for the same thing...that makes me happy
Re: Re: Intense new hardware coming
Thats not really true. Shake itself is a single machine only software. You don't have a cluster manager or something like this. So your "normal" work is always done on single machines.
Because its script and commandline based, its easy to write a render manager to run scripts on a renderfarm. For Windows there is a render manager called "smedge" for example. It shouldnt be to difficult to write such a thing for OS X.
Thats not really true. Shake itself is a single machine only software. You don't have a cluster manager or something like this. So your "normal" work is always done on single machines.
Because its script and commandline based, its easy to write a render manager to run scripts on a renderfarm. For Windows there is a render manager called "smedge" for example. It shouldnt be to difficult to write such a thing for OS X.
Re: Re: Re: Intense new hardware coming
We have a Shake user on the boards...... totally cool......
As I have no experience of using Shake........ is it really as groovey as it sounds??? Also what's it like to use??? and will I be able to figure out and enjoy it like I do Combustion???
From a dedicated Combustion user......
We have a Shake user on the boards...... totally cool......
As I have no experience of using Shake........ is it really as groovey as it sounds??? Also what's it like to use??? and will I be able to figure out and enjoy it like I do Combustion???
From a dedicated Combustion user......