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NFC is used for many things). Maybe next years. :eek:

Although I don't deny the usefulness of NFC, it hasn't gained any traction anywhere outside some regions or maybe even cities in the US and the UK. For a device that is sold globally it just doesn't make sense. Probably not even 1% of all iPhone owners would be able to use it, let alone choose to use it.
 
I would expect the new iPod touch to move up to 32/64/128GB leaving the iPod nano at 16GB and the Shuffle at 8GB.

8/16/32GB iPhone 5C makes more sense so they can keep the price points down and to differentiate it as much as possible from the more expensive iPhone 5S.

Even the iPod nano offers 16GB (and only 16GB), the only reason they offer an iPhone 4 at 8GB is because when it launched, that's what the bottom storage option was at the time and when they offer old phones after new ones are launched, they offer bottom storage options only (which is why the 4s is offered in 16GB). While I agree with the sentiment they need to differentiate these products (the 5S and 5C), I think the 5S will start at 32GB, and the 5C at 16GB and they will differentiate the products in other ways. The good news is that we only have to wait one week to find out. :)
 
That would NEVER happen.

This is my BOLD predication but i think the 5C KILLS the 5S in sales!!!! Add to that but I would imagine you would take a lot of potential 5S people off of the market too.

It's not that bold of a prediction. Apple has no problem killing successful product lines for new ones, and cannibalizing old product lines for new ones.

Think iPod -> iPod Mini -> iPod Nano for the perfect example. And yet, they still made a lot of money.

This idea that the iPhone 5C is going to kill margins or outselling the iPhone 5S being bad needs to stop.
 
I'm not sure that they have to be installed with iOS7 GM after all because now that we have incremental OTA updates the phone could just update itself on first launch if necessary.

Sure, that's not ideal, but a 30MB download isn't going to be to big an upset.

Often internal software releases are ahead of what's seen in the public development community. This happens very often and it's most likely Apple will be holding the GM that's installable on any phone until the last possible second.
 
I don't even want one but that's complete bull. I've always been able to manage with the 16GB but with increasing camera quality every year and a growing iTunes library (only 9GB) I've been having to do a lot of picking and choosing what I want to delete lately. Even for "casual users" 16GB is seemingly pushing it these days. I understand the need to differentiate but 16GB only is not the way to do it.

I agree. It's getting increasingly difficult with my 16GB iPhone 4.




Ooooooh... I have a brilliant solution for you both. If iPhone 5C comes with 16gb & you need more memory, get an iPhone 5S!
Ta da! If you guys need anything else, I'll be over here facepalming over your comments.
 
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These leaks could all be a clever form of misdirection... Everyone knows that every year around early september there is a new iPhone, you don't need to look at sites like macrumors to work that out. I'm expecting a new product to pop up that may well over shadow both of these releases, that will be the surprise in the keynote. At least i'm hoping it will. Not long now until we find out.

I wouldn't count on it. We probably know pretty much everything except a software surprise maybe.
 
I swear the leaks are getting worse.

A conspiracy theorist would say its an intentional attempt to build hype...
 
I'm disappointed NFC 5 prototype models that were shelved last min due to failed negotiations bet Apple and major banks haven't made their way into the 5S. A fingerprint sensor would make sense with NFC (does more than act as a payment device - NFC is used for many things). Maybe next years. :eek:

I doubt we will see NFC ever now, as it seems Apple is about using iBeacons (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1597348/) now.
 
The iPhone 5C has to be Apple's worst kept secret ever. So much for "doubling down on secrecy".

Moreover, it looks like a toy.

I hope Apple will bring out the big guns come iPhone 6. I'm wishing for some revolution. Brand new super-slim design, 4.7"-5" Full-HD screen, 13MP high-quality camera (if not more), all aluminum body (like the HTC One). Would also love front-facing speakers. Sounds just like a HTC One, with a good camera, right? Yes, that would pretty much be my ideal phone. :)
 
Serious question:

Is plastic manufacturing that much cheaper/easier than aluminum? There are many new processes for aluminum smelting that will make the [already efficient] Hall-Héroult process seem antiquated.

Ironically, China is the top producer of aluminum, followed by Russia, Canada and the USA. Over the last 50 years, Australia has become a major producer of bauxite ore and a major producer and exporter of alumina (before being overtaken by China in 2007).

It's less expensive and MUCH less toxic to the environment than plastic. I do not understand the reasoning for a "cheaper" plastic iPhone, aluminum anodizing allows for colors and is already being used by Apple. Not even going to mention the mess plastic waste has made of this planet, which is astronomical.

UPDATE: Read my post #132:

Aluminum is currently the best material for mass production in products, especially tech due to e-waste. Bauxite being the most common aluminium ore. Refinement uses much less energy to produce, and is improving with recent advancements, especially compared to the Hall-Héoult Process (the major industrial process aluminum extraction). Aluminum is theoretically 100% recyclable without any loss of its natural qualities and requires only 5% of the energy used to produce aluminium from ore, though a significant part (up to 15% of the input material) is lost as dross (ash-like oxide). Recycled aluminium is known as secondary aluminium, but maintains the same physical properties as primary aluminium. Secondary aluminium is produced in a wide range of formats and is employed in 80% of alloy injections. The process produces aluminium billets, together with a highly complex waste material, which can be reused as a filler in asphalt and concrete.
 
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Even the iPod nano offers 16GB (and only 16GB), the only reason they offer an iPhone 4 at 8GB is because when it launched, that's what the bottom storage option was at the time and when they offer old phones after new ones are launched, they offer bottom storage options only (which is why the 4s is offered in 16GB). While I agree with the sentiment they need to differentiate these products (the 5S and 5C), I think the 5S will start at 32GB, and the 5C at 16GB and they will differentiate the products in other ways. The good news is that we only have to wait one week to find out. :)

iPhone 4, was 16GB at launch for the base $199 model, and for the first year.

It didn't drop to 8GB until they moved it down the ladder later.
 
The iPad mini has 3 choices and the iPad has 4 choices. They'll probably drop the iPad 2 when they update the iPads next month.

I'm suggesting they will change policy with the iPhone next week. I think they will scrap the iPhone 5, 4 and 4S leaving just 2 models - the iPhone 5S and 5C. Currently you're right there are basically 5 iPhone models to chose from. I think they will extend that to 6 models to provide a broader range of price points.


I don't think Apple considers the iPad mini a cheaper version of the iPad 4 (the iPad 2 is that) so it would have multiple sizes.

I think even when the iPod touch had a cheaper model (when they had the smaller display for cheaper) it only had one size too.

I don't think they'll have the variety of the bargain models (certainly not 3 sizes and the rainbow of colors). IF they have a $199 iPhone 5c, I could see a variety (with a free and/or 99 cent model) and making the 5s start at $299 (think iBooks and PowerBooks, plastic was cheaper and had some options but not as many) but I don' think (or hope) that they do that.

They may very well drop the iPad 2, but I think they like having the cheaper model, maybe introduce a better non-retina model(?).

Gary
 
It's less expensive and MUCH less toxic to the environment than plastic.

I'm not so sure about that. Aluminium production is very energy intensive and uses a lot of chemicals. The second generation of bioplastics can be produced in a very environmentally friendly process and many types are even biodegradable.

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I'm sorry, these phones look like Chinese garbage. China is a wasteland with horrible taste, did Apple also offshore design? I'm beginning to think so.

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You just insulted more than a billion people without probably having ever been in the country yourself. Great job!
 
Serious question:

Is plastic manufacturing that much cheaper/easier than aluminum? There are many new processes for aluminum smelting that will make the [already efficient] Hall-Héroult process seem antiquated.

Ironically, China is the top producer of aluminum, followed by Russia, Canada and the USA. Over the last 50 years, Australia has become a major producer of bauxite ore and a major producer and exporter of alumina (before being overtaken by China in 2007).

It's less expensive and MUCH less toxic to the environment than plastic. I do not understand the reasoning for a "cheaper" plastic iPhone, aluminum anodizing allows for colors and is already being used by Apple. Not even going to mention the mess plastic waste has made of this planet, which is astronomical.
It's a small cost in raw material.

It may not be a small cost in terms of time and scale of manufacturing.

In terms of logistics, the people with al vs. plastic skills, and the factories with plastic vs. Al equipment... It may make a lot of sense to diversify product line.
 
Where are all the "No way Apple would ever release that plastic garbage!" people now?? :rolleyes:

They're about to be joined by the "that pic totally is fake" people, hiding somewhere under a bed, until it's safe again to come out and tell everyone what Apple will or won't do and what is or isn't real.
 
iPhone 4, was 16GB at launch for the base $199 model, and for the first year.

It didn't drop to 8GB until they moved it down the ladder later.

You're right, I looked back and read it wrong, thanks for the correction. :)
 
Somehow I doubt that Apple shipped 1.2 million iPhones in one day :rolleyes: utterly believable number yes, but not in one day?
Entirely plausible.

Know how many of those little iPhones fit in each one of those shipping crates?

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Although I don't deny the usefulness of NFC, it hasn't gained any traction anywhere outside some regions or maybe even cities in the US and the UK. For a device that is sold globally it just doesn't make sense. Probably not even 1% of all iPhone owners would be able to use it, let alone choose to use it.

NFC has been used in Japan and many EU nations for many years; banking, vending machines, mass transit, movie theaters, etc. It's much safer than RFID currently used in credit cards. NFC tech is used in a myriad of applications; geofencing, ticketing, personal identification systems. Infiniti is releasing their completely revamped vehicle line this Fall with NFC tech as an alt to RFID key fobs. Paired NFC phones save drivers' personalized settings (mirrors, seating, temp, radio, contacts, etc), which interacts with a new multitouch display below the NAV display (drivers can point to destinations on the screen and get directions instead of entering info). It's much safer than currently used RFID keyless systems.

Side story: This past winter I was living in Boston for work. One morning my Range Rover was stolen along with a few dozen others, Nissan's, BMW's, Toyota's, etc. A couple of "high tech" nerd/car jackers (allegedly MIT students lol), used modified scanners that somehow bypassed "rolling code" security while grabbing the RF 40-bit code. All cars were found on a street in Somerville (idiots).
 
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