You believe what you want to believe. Get rid of all your professional gear and use the iPhone for your paid work.
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Shooting 4K ProRes Video Requires iPhone 13 Pro With at Least 256GB Storage
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You believe what you want to believe. Get rid of all your professional gear and use the iPhone for your paid work.
It wont magically make your pro camera gear obsolete. It will produce better image quality than any iPhone or even smartphone video out there but I have strong reservations that it will replace IMAX cameras.
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I’m going to walk back the bit about old machines. It looks like ProRes can give old machines a new lease of life.
How many of those 500 people are filmmakers though? As a filmmaker I use my phone for shots to drop into videos all the time.
How many of those 500 people are filmmakers though? As a filmmaker I use my phone for shots to drop into videos all the time.
and it's 'only' 4K 30p not 4K 60p like the regular HEVC video.
Cinematic Mode is a max 1080p video recording - perhaps taking info from two cameras?
ProRes is an Apple file type for the saved video. It’s still lossy but is has less compression, so it takes up more space but is easier to work with in editing programs and results in a higher-quality image (and leaves more of the compression to the final output of the edited film). You can do up to 4K 30Hz saved in ProRes on the iPhone 13 Pros, whereas you can do up to 4K 60Hz without it (including Dolby Vision now).
Cinematic mode is like portrait images for video. It’s 1080p and dynamically figures out what you what to focus on mimicking that high end movie look with depth of field. Like portrait mode you can go back and alter the amount of blur later.
ProRes is a professional video codec used in the TV and movie industry. If you need to ask what it is, you generally don’t need it. 30mins of 4K ProRes video is 120GB on average.
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How many of you that are complaining have or do actually use pro res raw now? I bet very few. Considering the fact that the file sizes are huge when shooting in this format makes sense as to why they did what they did.
I think it’s just ProRes not ProRes Raw. You’re right though, both are huge file sizes.
We work post and we don't accept any form of cellphone recorded shots. Too much work to make barely anything out of it. It's a waste of time for us and it's a waste of money for producers. The only exception is when it's supposed to look like cctv footage, POV gopro or cellphone footage and I don't even remember if we had any of those lately.
Cellphone camera is great for drafting shots and locations btw.
Well he is right. ProRes even will not get rid of the torn frames, dropped frames, stabilization X or Y jitter, loss of texture due to agressive stabilization, crappy lens that distrubs focus and sensor induced artifacts and some more artifacts on top of the artifacts. Actually ProRes will capture less detail than comparable bitrate h.265 because h.265 is made to maximize image quality on low bitrates. ProRes doesn't have that feature, ProRes is there to take away your CPU pain while cutting the timeline. Arguably ProRes will yield better color noise results and will allow better extreme grading but those are fractions we are talking about. Of course we are talking about ProRes 422 LT which most likely be the one for iPhone or some new but similar temporal long GOP profile or hybrid (dedicated compression per frame profile will note be present on iPhone you can bet your house on that).
JVC 500 camcoder can shoot natively in h.265 and ProRes 422 and you can download some sample clips to compare.
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Another person that doesn't know what they are talking about. He's totally 100% wrong, It's not about replacing pro cameras. It's enabling the iPhone to be a more viable option for shots here and there. It also enables entry-level filmmakers in a big way. h.265 is a long GOP codec, it's never going to compete with an intraframe codec like ProRes on detail. ProRes is meant for Mastering, H.265 is meant for delivery.
I also haven't seen anything anywhere that suggests that they are using ProRes 422 LT so how do you presume to know that I have no idea. Rene Ritchie said they were using ProRes 422, I don't recall him saying LT.
Yeah I agree. A very high % of film makers make films.
What are you talking about?
Siri was only available originally on the 4S Apple hadn't acquired and implemented Siri during the 4 launch year ... yet Apple brought Siri to the 4 in future iOS update. This is the exact opposite of Siri on the 4S.
I'm sure Apple has done years of surveys and determined most people with 128GB iPhones already have used up 1/4 the storage bare minimum.
ProRes video recording at 4K is 4GB/min. 32 mins phone would just freeze - that's IF no OS nothing was on it which isn't possible to start with ... so 28mins average of recording. Judging by all the whining of no battery % with smaller notch do you think people would know how to keep an eye out for consistently dropping storage, when their too busy watching their battery %?! ... yeah no.
I do agree ... the Pro model lineup should've started with 256/512/1TB options, since already their giving these with 5 core GPUs anyway.
Take a video raw file and transcode it in both ProRes 422/LT and h265 in 100 bitrate if you are curious about detail retention. You will be surprised which one will make mush out of pixels in the distance - ProRes. But difference is marginal anyway but visible if you are pixel peeping. Also color shift is very real and still a problem on ProRes delivery when you grade the native footage.
Whatever. ProRes will bump bitrate of the video off iPhone so it will look better than default HEVC bitrate but I would really want to see a comparison to Filmic custom HEVC bitrate to make it more comparable.
If the example video that Apple is using to showcase the 13 Pro models can be believed I’d say that going for the 256 GB storage option will definitely be worth the few extra $$$ Apple is charging. The SciFi video shown during Tuesday’s unveiling event looked fantastic! Not only was the action filmed using a 13 Pro Max, the behind the scenes and videoing of the film crew in action was definitely movie theatre quality! I’ve just ordered my 256 GB 13 Pro Max from the company that I got my present 12 Pro Max cell from and can’t wait to put the amazing sounding new cameras to the test. The price has actually dropped this year from the £1,099 I paid for my 12 Pro Max last year by £50!!! So a more advanced IPhone is cheaper this year than last, and I am definitely very grateful to Apple for that.
I was wondering the same thin. When they announced ProRes video recording I was certain they'd mention USB-C port or at least USB3.0 or better transfer speeds via Lightning to USb-cable... but nothing.
How on earth is wireless an option. Wireless is probably no faster than USB2 for many.
What about sitting in a hotel room without having your own WiFi 6 access points and network there. Can't just transfer to your computer there.
What about when you're somewhere where there is no wifi an poor (if any) cell coverage. What then? No copy from your phone to the cmputer in order to backup and do some word on them?
At this point, not having a faster connection for downloading the now RAW video files from the phones is beyond comical, it's getting ridiculous!
That’s not how apple think about it. In their tin foil hat world everyone has 1000 Gbps unrestricted up and down all the time, with ample power supply. It’s almost as if everyone is a billionaire in Apple’s mind.
I hate what apple is pushing here as well, but many other would support portless design despite not having sufficient infrastructure to back up, such as wifi chips, router and so on. This is sometimes how the world goes: nobody realise how important something is until they lose it.
Prores is an antiquated dinosaur. Hevc (H.265) is the future. There is no difference in video quality, but hevc is considerably smaller and easier to work with. Atomos just added h.265 to their ninja V because they see this as the future of film making. Don’t be fooled by Apple.
The new iPhone 13 Pro models support 4K ProRes video recording, but there's a catch if you want to capture video at the highest quality - you need an iPhone 13 Pro or Pro Max with at least 256GB of storage space.
On Apple's tech specs page for the new devices and in the press release announcing the new iPhone 13 Pro models, Apple says that if you have an iPhone 13 Pro or iPhone 13 Pro Max with the base 128GB of storage, you'll be limited to shooting 1080p ProRes video at 30 frames per second.
For recording ProRes video at 4K at 30 frames per second, higher 256, 512, or 1TB storage capacities are required.Aimed at professionals, the ProRes codec offers higher color fidelity and less compression, and it is often used for commercials, feature films, and TV broadcasts. With ProRes support, iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max users can capture, edit, and share professional quality video right on their devices.
ProRes support will not be available when the iPhone 13 Pro models launch and will be coming in a future iOS 15 update.
Along with ProRes, the new iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max offer much improved Wide, Wide Angle, and Telephoto lenses with better low light performance, macro capabilities, Night Mode, Cinematic video recording for depth-of-field transitions, and Photographic Styles for enhancing images.
Article Link: Shooting 4K ProRes Video Requires iPhone 13 Pro With at Least 256GB Storage
Mind you apple supports HEVC back in iOS 11 and you can use it now. Also production companies love raw footage so they have tons of room for post processing.
I'm sure Apple could come up with a workable Wifi transfer solution and build it into Final Cut Pro if they wanted to. Unless they've improved transfer speeds over lightning.