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Shooting 4K ProRes Video Requires iPhone 13 Pro With at Least 256GB Storage
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The different flavors of ProRes are just different codec compression rates, not to be really seen as a better or worse, but different levels to allow for different workflows and different final distribution. Even the variation of lowest ProRes, being proxy, is still a fairly high bitrate 174 GB/hr for 60p 4096x2160
I really hope there is, for the sake of people's sanity.
Imagine having a typical average cable Internet connection, with 15 or 20 megabits upload speed, and having to wait on a ProRes video to upload to iCloud. It's absolutely not a sane situation. It already gets annoying when I take regular 4K videos on my 11 Pro Max and it feels like it takes forever for them to go to iCloud and then back to my Mac. More than once I've paused the iCloud upload and plugged the phone in with USB to transfer a longer video faster.
So then the base price would have been $1099 instead of $999....for marketing purposes that is bad....just like things are always $9.99 instead of $10.00
And...to decide whether you really need to shoot at that resolution
I suspect A) yes, Apple obviously wants everyone to buy a 1TB iPhone 13 Pro Max and B) ProRes files will be pretty massive, at least compared to previous hi-res. You'll crush 256GB in no time. So the limitation is likely C) two-fold, me thinks.
I'm not sure how unspecified ProRes compares to third app video apps that allow you to record extremely high bitrates. I see people going so far to suggest it's 444 which only few cameras can pull it off to begin with. After all iPhone doesn't need 444 at all. My guess its 422 LT or some new iPhone ProRes specification.
Yes, ProRes files....even in proxy can be pretty massive. At work we are switching over to ProRes recorded on AJA Video Systems 2TB SSD's from Sony XDCAM HD. The ProRes files will be bigger, buy they are more cross platform friendly.
Really, this impacts like less than 1% of the users, so it's not really "hanging." You can't do it today anyway on any device, so you're making this a lot bigger deal than it is.
In any case anyone who shoots ProRes is going to figure out what they need before they buy an iPhone 13pmx.
Oh that sounds fun.
I think it a pretty dope move by Apple to offer native ProRes caliber captures. It's kind of staggering, really.
The PRO stands for PROFIT, not PROFESSIONAL
Base on this wiki it appears that Apple sticks to a base storage & other sizes for at around 4-5 years.
4GB
- 2007 - 1st
- 2008 - 3G
- 2009 - 3Gs
- 2010- 4
- 2011- 4s
- 2013- 5c
- 2012 - 5
- 2013 - 5s
- 2014 - 6 & 6 Plus
- 2015 - 6s & 6s Plus
- 2016 - SE
- 2016 - 7 & 7 Plus
- 2017 - 8, 8 Plus & X
- 2018 - Xr, Xs & Xs Max
- 2019 - 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max
- 2020 - SE, 12 & 12 Mini
- 2020 - 12 Pro & 12 Pro Max
- 2021 - 13, 13 mini, 13 Pro & 13 Pro Max
For those reading I made an error. Android flagships from companies like Samsung started offering 128GB base models in 2019 when the iPhone 11 Pro Max only had 64GB. I remember this as I am using a 11 Pro Max weeks after it first shipped.
Yeah, I’m assuming it’s gonna be a modified pipeline that’s a bit more compressed than regular ProRes but I’m definitely going to be shooting a lot of content with it regardless because of the better color fidelity and compression. If they’re too big though I may have to use it sparingly.
That really depends on what phone you have though.
For someone still using a 7, 8, X or even XS, it's a good year to upgrade.
If you have an 11 or 12 series, maybe not so much.
Exactly. It's called "choice" and pricepoint for those who don't NEED or WANT to shoot pro res.
I'm slowly doing the same.
Ditching my apple watch except when doing workouts.
Got the bose 700 instead of the double the price airpods max
getting rid of my ipad and just using a kindle for reading.
My ideal would be just mac + iphone + airpod pros
I'm considering going from my 11 to a 13 Pro for the ProMotion. I would go with 128gb because I don't do any video editing, but it's disappointing not to have all pro features on ALL pro phones. Not a deal breaker for me however.
I’m sure you’ll be able to select 24fps just like you can already for HEVC on older iPhones.
For all those posting that "there is no reason why" I would be curious what they are basing that assessment on? I do not yet know what flavour of ProRes is being used on the iPhone nor do I have any details on the internal storage or other technical factors that might influence this decision so I am quite surprised there are so many who apparently do have the information. Please share.
It is worth clarifying that ProRes will only be available on the Pro models, and as the article stated in order to record 4K ProRes you will need a 256GB or larger iPhone; you can still shoot 1080p ProRes on the 128GB. Where some see this as an evil conspiracy I am more inclined to think that anyone buying the 128GB version is likely not thinking about shooting 4K video in the ProRes format so probably will not care. You definitely should not shoot ProRes if you are shooting video of the dog doing silly things and posting it directly to the web which is what I suspect the vast majority of iPhone users are doing. I also suspect there really is a technical reason this is not available at 128GB. And for those who state that 256GB should be the new minimum, well, maybe so but at this point that is irrelevant. The base storage went up and the price did not, at least that is something.
As to the Cinematic Mode I am very curious about that. I have been looking at a number of cinematography websites and it is creating a buzz for sure. What I initially missed, but some others have noted, this is not depth-of-field as created by a lens but rather a computational depth-of-field. When the camera shoots everything is in focus but the processor will try to differentiate between foreground and background through some fabulously complex and truly cool processes but, as we have seen with Portrait Mode, with varying degrees of success. A $2000 iPhone will not be replacing a $50000 dollar camera with a $25000 piece of glass on the front BUT it might well replace some consumer and prosumer video cameras IF (and that is a big IF right now) the Cinematic Mode can be made to work effectively beyond 1080p30 at some point. For instance, how will it handle a CU over-the-shoulder like the example below where the foreground clearly intersects the background? I have watched the sample video a few times but did not see anything close enough to this common set-up to inform.
(shot courtesy of Mobile Motion Film Festival Free Film School)
We do not know yet but I suspect the above example might cause some issues (what about a foreground cross, then what?). Again, it is also very important to repeat that, at this time, Cinematic mode only works for 1080p30 and it is unclear whether you can record Cinematic Mode in ProRes. I also wonder if any of this technology will be available to third party video applications? Will Filmic's DoubleTake allow ProRes recording? At 24fps? In Cinematic Mode? Across multiple lenses simultaneously? There is so much we do not know yet. This is just the first pass at this technology by Apple and I look forward to seeing where it goes but I am not expecting it to change my world anytime soon.
I do expect to see some students making films with iPhones plus Cinematic Mode and look forward to seeing the results. I will also be incredibly jealous. I want to wait just one more year before replacing my current iPhone but Cinematic mode and ProRes has peaked my interest.
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