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Should Apple allow users to downgrade to ios 6?
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So explain to me how choosing not to upgrade, after doing due diligence, and seeing that the OS is not to my satisfaction, is different than wanting the capability to downgrade if you find out it is not to your taste?
in a previous post on this page, you in essence said anyone who stays on iOS6 is a "drag on the ecosystem", that we're bogging down progress and splitting Apple/devs attentions...so I'm supposed to upgrade to an operating system which, imo, is less attractive, functional and stable, given the "feedback" I am seeing, for the greater good of all Applekind?...thanks, but no thanks.
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This is such a divisive issue. If 3GS phones are not running ios 7 then and that's not killing apple's ability to "move on," then allowing an iPhone 4 user or an ipad 3 user to choose ios 6 because it runs smoother should be fine with apple.
But, I think it's simply because they want people to buy more devices, and John Doe out there who doesn't post on forums will say "man my device really slowed down. I guess I need a newer one" when in fact the forced ios 7 is what did it.
This is such a divisive issue. If 3GS phones are not running ios 7 then and that's not killing apple's ability to "move on," then allowing an iPhone 4 user or an ipad 3 user to choose ios 6 because it runs smoother should be fine with apple.
But, I think it's simply because they want people to buy more devices, and John Doe out there who doesn't post on forums will say "man my device really slowed down. I guess I need a newer one" when in fact the forced ios 7 is what did it.
Due diligence should not be a requirement. It's an iDevice. A toy to make us happy. If it doesn't we vote with our dollars.
I am happily dragging on the ecosystem
That's the strange thing, it shouldn't be a divisive issue at all. From the consumer end of things there's really no rationale to argue against having the option available to downgrade. If you don't want to use it, then don't, but whether or not someone can use it or decides to use it would have no meaningful consequences to you, so therefore, from the consumer side of things there's really no rational reason to say that an option shouldn't exist.Yes is the right answer
This is such a divisive issue. If 3GS phones are not running ios 7 then and that's not killing apple's ability to "move on," then allowing an iPhone 4 user or an ipad 3 user to choose ios 6 because it runs smoother should be fine with apple.
But, I think it's simply because they want people to buy more devices, and John Doe out there who doesn't post on forums will say "man my device really slowed down. I guess I need a newer one" when in fact the forced ios 7 is what did it.
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And there's certainly that--if tons of people decide to not upgrade, given that the option that is currently available, is iOS or Apple going to fall apart? No, it won't happen. So having a downgrade option won't bring something like that about either. Sure, it would be more work for Apple to provide such an option and to support it, of course, but that's not really what's under discussion.
Also, if Apple saw a comparatively high percentage of people choosing to downgrade they might get a clue they need to try harder. Take Microsoft as an example, they released Vista which was rightly panned. They learned from that and the next OS was much better*. Frankly Apple need to pull their finger out and stop adding gimmicky crap that degrades the user experience for no gain.
Apple must rub their hands with glee over all the users who imbue their iDevices with some "special consideration" as it allows them to pull crap like degrading user's devices without recourse.
* Of course MS has since released Windows 8 so any knowledge gained doesn't seem to last beyond the "corrective" version.
Of course the next version is going to be better. This was the first release of a whole new direction for iOS. It is generally very good, but there are some minor issues that will be fixed in the future. iOS 7 isn't anywhere close to how bad Vista was.
Really depends on your usage. Some iPod users are rightfully pissed off as the UI changes in one app affect them more than an iPhone user who might use the music app less.
Well I'm sure the possibility of "may change that" is really comforting to people who are unhappy with what Apple have done to their devices now.
I know if I was in that position I'd be pissed off to the point of looking for a new music player.
I was about to say our kids use the music on their ipods non-stop, then remembered they appear to be be lucky ones with 4G and no IOS7 support
Oh yes, I'm very pissed. I paid 400 for my 64GB iPod and now it's crippled to the point that I miss my old clickwheel iPod. Browsing music on that was more pleasant than it is now on iOS7.
If this isn't changed in the coming weeks, I'm going to my local consumer protection office to inform me about ways to demand my money back. Crippling core functionality with a software update like this is not acceptable, especially considering how easy it would be to go back to iOS6 if Apple only allowed it.
And what's with people who claim that it isn't as bad as Vista? I've used XP, Vista, iOS6 and iOS7. Vista was nowhere near as bad as iOS7. Actually, the only thing that was really bad about Vista were the drivers. I got a ton of Bluescreen crashes but they were always caused by the nVidia graphics driver.
Here however, it's iOS7 itself that had crippled the usability of the calendar and music apps along with constant cashes of core apps. iOS7 is worse than Vista, and Apple makes it impossible to roll back to the previous version.
The special case is that YOU are having a problem that other people are not. I don't mean the album thing; that's a feature, even if an undesirable one. But the routine crashing is not normal. Many people using 7's music player are not having that problem, so there's *something* different in your case.
Up until the last clause, you're right. But no, that's very clearly and obviously NOT "everything you needed to know." How it works on your device, with your apps and your pattern of usage is absolutely vital to deciding what OS is better, and you cannot get that information with a reasonable level of accuracy from any amount of reading.
Giving no valid reason whatsoever for its "always going to be a no." Nobody said rolling back an operating system had to be easy. But why, other than those rooted in the desire itself to force everyone to use the new version, should it be worse than the computer equivalent: wipe the system, install the old OS the same way you would before the new existed, restore data from the last compatible backup?
I'm sorry, but that it "has to be" is a boldfaced lie, pure and simple. Absolute proof of its falsehood is the two or three days where it was allowed. And you haven't given any reason that's actually worth the typing for WHY people should have take that it will work for them in real life as well as it works on a display device at the store on faith, rather than being able to backtrack (with the loss of a few days' data) if it's unsatisfactory. "Because Apple/developers/anyone at all other than the user himself need you to use the new version" doesn't qualify. Especially given the obvious fact that many of what people here consider bugs will never be fixed, either because they're deliberate or because the underlying problem is squeezing software that demands just a bit too much onto devices that can barely handle it.
And (so far, at least) I love iOS 7.
I can think of two reasons, though, not to allow downgrades. One definite, the other at least plausible, and neither, as far as I can tell, much mentioned. The first is that not cutting off iOS 6 installations in the first place is a very different thing from re-allowing them. If they'd never stopped letting people downgrade, that would have been great, but starting to *now* would be a PR disaster.
The other, I'm far less sure of, but it's Activation Lock. iOS 6 doesn't have it. If a stolen device with 7 is locked, and if it were possible to install 6, would doing so bypass the protection? If so, that would make what is probably 7's most valuable practical feature absolutely worthless on everything but the iPhone 5C and 5S. THAT would be a truly legitimate reason not to allow downgrading.
Activation Lock persists even if iOS 6 is reinstalled on the device. It is a server side thing and not dependent on the firmware you are on. That being said, you must have been on iOS 7 at some point to enable it.
This was confirmed during the beta period when people were able to reinstall iOS 6. People who did so noted that Activation Lock was still active after they restored to iOS 6.
Haha. That wins the prize for possibly the stupidest thing I've read all week (and frequenting this forum I've read a lot of stupid in the last seven days).
I'd choose xp over vista any day. The difference was there was nothing stopping you buy xp at the same time and installing it with full support from microsoft.
No one has been able to go back to the original purchase state in awhile. When was the last time you could go back to iOS 6.0? Last I heard is no one could do that for quite some time.
You allow users to change back to an older OS and it will create feature and app incompatibility, will create fragmentation of OS updates and will allow security risks as you wont get the latest updates and fixes...
I can't see what else there is to it. Any issues with the current OS can be fixed and most likely will be as this is only the first released build of the OS.
I can't see what else there is to it. Any issues with the current OS can be fixed and most likely will be as this is only the first released build of the OS.
You can't see that anyone running an iPhone 4 or ipad 3 or below slows down the experience on ios7? That's what there is to it. Apple slowing down their own devices to make more profit by making people upgrade to newer devices.
If you're simply ignoring that then you aren't being honest enough to the issue.
You might of had an argument if I wasnt running an iPhone 4 32gb. Its nowhere near as good or fluid as an iPhone 5S but it is not the drama yourself and others make it out to be.
The fact is the tech is outdated, I will be updating to the 6, you can update, make do or move on to another make. The choices are that simple.
A huge number of people use 3GS these days and can't be on iOS 7 even if they wanted to, and if you throw in tons of people who got the original iPad when it was released and still have and use it, you have that much larger of a userbase all who can't use iOS 7. Apple not any developers aren't exactly worried about that causing some sort of fragmentation or other issues. If people were allowed to downgrade that would just add on to that already fairly large population of users without creating a black hole or anything else problematic happening.
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