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Should the game be played?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 42 75.0%
  • No

    Votes: 11 19.6%
  • No Opinion / Don't Know

    Votes: 3 5.4%

  • Total voters
    56
Nobody is FORCING the fans to arrive at the game, they can make their own decision regarding their "health and safety" and choose not to show up (doubt they will fail to show).

Anyone notice that they have had trouble selling out these games? Philadelphia sold out. Indianapolis sold out thanks to Meijer buying 1200 tickets and giving them to military families. Kroger seems to be doing something similar in Cincinnati. Haven't heard about Green Bay yet. (Edit: Associated Bank bought tickets in Green Bay - it's a sell out.)

Think weather might be a contributing factor?
 
I just like to see the players skill level at its highest, but that doesn't happen when it's so cold, you just focus on staying warm.

I prefer Superbowls in the south for this reason.

Btw GB will never get a Super Bowl, there isn't enough hotels and infrastructure in the area to supports the fans and media.
 
Anyone notice that they have had trouble selling out these games? Philadelphia sold out. Indianapolis sold out thanks to Meijer buying 1200 tickets and giving them to military families. Kroger seems to be doing something similar in Cincinnati. Haven't heard about Green Bay yet. (Edit: Associated Bank bought tickets in Green Bay - it's a sell out.)

Think weather might be a contributing factor?

If they bought/got a ticket, they WILL show up. I know GB was on the edge of blackout by the NFL but I think they met the needed numbers. What does that show you though? People are actually considering the consequences of going to a game when it's that cold! Doesn't mean they should cancel/relocate/reschedule the game because 84% of the tickets were sold (85% needed to avoid a blackout). Again, nobody is FORCING people to show up, they are CHOOSING to do so. As noted by another poster, re-scheduling or relocating the game throws EVERYTHING off schedule-wise. Shortening the recovery time between games puts the players at MORE risk (exactly why I think moving a team to London permanently is a BAD idea).
 
Anyone notice that they have had trouble selling out these games? Philadelphia sold out. Indianapolis sold out thanks to Meijer buying 1200 tickets and giving them to military families. Kroger seems to be doing something similar in Cincinnati. Haven't heard about Green Bay yet. (Edit: Associated Bank bought tickets in Green Bay - it's a sell out.)

Think weather might be a contributing factor?

I'm sure it's a contributing factor.

That's why people say it's not that big of a deal for the fans.

The players are already compensated with the money to make it worth it for them. The fans can choose not to go (and obviously some have).
 
Yes, they should definitely play, especially in GB. This is what the legends are all about. This is the home field advantage in the playoffs. The fans, the workers and especially the players know what they've signed up to do. Let them play.
 
Not to mention that they just can’t pack up everything and go to the Metrodome even if it wasn’t being torn down. Whenever the dome is not being used by the Vikings, it gets used by other organizations and hosting a Football game takes days to set up. Not to mention that now fans have to travel to Minnesota either by driving or have to change travel plans for flying in (not something easy to do in s short time).

Teams have limited options to move games around and they only do it when they have to. When the Dome collapsed a few years ago, our only option that wasn’t too disruptive was to play in TCF stadium (which was shut down BTW and is outdoors). I don’t see playing in this weather being a problem for anybody.
 
I just like to see the players skill level at its highest, but that doesn't happen when it's so cold, you just focus on staying warm.

I prefer Superbowls in the south for this reason.

Btw GB will never get a Super Bowl, there isn't enough hotels and infrastructure in the area to supports the fans and media.

I agree on the GB super bowl hosting thing. It would be interesting to see NO going against the Dolphins or Chargers on the frozen tundra.

We tried and failed miserably by hosting one locally at Stanford University stadium. It would be hard enough for SF's Candlestick Park or over in Oakland, but Palo Alto? Have you ever tried one of the two main roads into that city? And once you are there, what passes for streets is not worthy of hosting something that big. I would love to see the traffic on Page Mill or overflow in Mountain View.

With the fast growth of Silicon Valley, the whole region was caught off guard in trying to keep up in its buildings (which can be the ugliest anywhere) or the roads which backed up fruit orchards, some schools, and shopping malls. As much as I like to criticize LA, at least there are roads there and it was planned somewhat better even though it's still a joke.
 
It has nothing to do with " we're men "

Oh. Forgive me. All that "Waaa…waaa…wussies…wahh…wussies…wahh" gave me the wrong impression.

So I don't understand why people who do not live in Wisconsin are telling people who do live in Wisconsin how to live and what to do.

That would kind of fall into that whole "freedom" thing I guess. At some point, some people are told what to do. I don't care if some idiot wants to go sit outside in -50 temps, but there are also people who have the choice to either be there or lose their jobs. And no, not all of them are fine with standing outside in that. It's the unfortunate ways of the world.

I assume this " unsafe " call is being made by cubical people who've never set foot in Wisconsin

I've been to Wisconsin several times. Spent a few months there altogether. Also been to multiple places in Canada during the winter (including an actual temperature of -40, not wind chill). Also spent some time in Scandinavia (Finland, Norway, Sweden) during the winter. Wisconsin is child's play. I still think it's stupid to go hang around outside in that or to require minimum wage workers to schlep hotdogs (granted, most of them probably aren't employed there).

However, I'm not the one calling for the cancelation of the game. I don't understand, however, why they don't have a domed stadium to make it more comfortable for fans, players, and workers alike and avoid this nonsense.
 
However, I'm not the one calling for the cancelation of the game. I don't understand, however, why they don't have a domed stadium to make it more comfortable for fans, players, and workers alike and avoid this nonsense.

Because the players and fans (and I am willing to bet that the employees) do not mind having an outdoor field and playing in cold weather is something that they don’t mind. It has been explained multiple times that cold temperatures are something that can be dealt with.

I don’t know how vendor operations work in Lambeau Field so it’s possible that they are just contract employees from vendor companies that work at different fields in the state - however I am willing to bet that the vendors get these jobs knowing darn well that they may be working in cold weather and these companies make sure that their employees do what is necessary to minimize being out in the cold as short as time as needed.
 
Haven't proposed that at all.

If anything, I'd require that all of those cities plan to construct domed stadiums when its time to replace their current ones.

Cough up the money, honey.... I ain't paying for it. Wait.... my dad moved south because of the cold and snow... you are on your own with that.

Btw, Detroit's stadium is domed. Which domed stadium caved in because of snow?
 
From the NWS:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=grb&storyid=99351&source=0

Comparison of the Ice Bowl vs. the Freezer Bowl vs. today's game:

Ice Bowl (Lambeau Field):1967 Ice Bowl (Cowboys vs Packers)


Average temperature: - 13.5 F

Average wind speed: 13.5 mph

Average Wind Chill (old index): -47 F

Average Wind Chill (new index): -36 F

Freezer Bowl (Riverfront Stadium) 1982 Freezer Bowl (Chargers vs Bengals).

Average temperature: - 6.5 F

Average wind speed: 23.5 mph

Average Wind Chill (old index): -52 F

Average Wind Chill (new index): -32 F

Today's game (Lambeau Field):

Average forecast game conditions for Green Bay, Wisconsin ( 3 pm to 6 pm) for today's game:

Average temperature: - 1 F

Average wind speed: Northwest (300 degrees) @ 11 mph

Average Wind Chill(new index): -16 F

Current Green Bay Forecast/Latest Observation: forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php

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Cough up the money, honey.... I ain't paying for it.

You paying some portion of a stadium has to do with the agreement between the team and your community.

Stadium subsidy

A stadium subsidy is a type of government subsidy given to professional sports franchises to help finance the construction or renovation of sports stadiums. Stadium subsidies can come in the form of cash payments, tax abatements, infrastructure improvements, and operating cost subsidies. The government funding to provide stadium subsidies comes from state or local (often municipal) tax revenues.

... today most new or renovated professional sports stadiums are financed at least partly through stadium subsidies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy


Whether your stadium comes with a roof or not, it's likely that you'll be paying some of the cost.
 
All football should be outdoors, IMO as a Minnesotan, as should baseball. A shame the Vikes are getting another closed stadium, even though it will be really nice. Then again maybe I'm biased since the metrodome was the biggest dump of a stadium to ever be built, even when it was new. I'm pretty sure the Chicago-based architecture firm that designed it doesn't put the metrodome front and center in it's portfolio of achievements.

It's not a big deal, as mentioned both teams have huge propane heaters on the sidelines, the people working concessions in the stadium are in heated areas, and the guys carrying concessions up and down the seating areas of the stadium will be both bundled up and probably sweating from carrying their loads. As for anyone else, they can bundle up, it's not rocket science.

And yes, tailgating in a cold area is half the fun, and you can bet outside lambeau is PACKED right now with hardy midwesterners having the time of their life.

We need to stop pansifying everything. People can play in the cold, it's not a big deal, especially if you grew up with cold weather for 6 months out of the year.
 
You paying some portion of a stadium has to do with the agreement between the team and your community.




Whether your stadium comes with a roof or not, it's likely that you'll be paying some of the cost.

The nearest NFL stadium is Charlotte, not Raleigh... Now while I may have contributed to the state of NC's portion... I didn't also have to contribute City of Charlotte's portion.... which is good because I'm not a Panthers fan
 
Oh. Forgive me. All that "Waaa…waaa…wussies…wahh…wussies…wahh" gave me the wrong impression.

If someone doesn't like the elements, stay out of the game. Don't tell other people to.

That would kind of fall into that whole "freedom" thing I guess. At some point, some people are told what to do. I don't care if some idiot wants to go sit outside in -50 temps, but there are also people who have the choice to either be there or lose their jobs. And no, not all of them are fine with standing outside in that. It's the unfortunate ways of the world.

The people who work at these stadiums are probably totally aware of the cold. Considering they, live in that area. And took the job anyway.

If they don't like it, they can quit. Easy.

I've been to Wisconsin several times. Spent a few months there altogether. Also been to multiple places in Canada during the winter (including an actual temperature of -40, not wind chill). Also spent some time in Scandinavia (Finland, Norway, Sweden) during the winter. Wisconsin is child's play. I still think it's stupid to go hang around outside in that or to require minimum wage workers to schlep hotdogs (granted, most of them probably aren't employed there).

Yep, I've been to Canada, Alaska, Scandinavia, and Northern Russia myself. ( World Traveler I strive to be ). Wisconsin is childs play, yet people still come out to the game.

Also, those guys selling hot dogs get tips as well, and typically get paid more than 7.25 an hour. I know people who did it in college, its typically decent money for a night work when you factor in that most stadiums charge a tip on top of the price. Also, when it comes to food workers not walking around, the majority of those stalls are heated at Lambo.

However, I'm not the one calling for the cancelation of the game. I don't understand, however, why they don't have a domed stadium to make it more comfortable for fans, players, and workers alike and avoid this nonsense.

Probably because most players and fans do not like closed roof stadiums, there is a difference. And the people living in those areas don't seem to mind the cold.

These are hardy people, not California cubical dwellers.

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Because the players and fans (and I am willing to bet that the employees) do not mind having an outdoor field and playing in cold weather is something that they don’t mind. It has been explained multiple times that cold temperatures are something that can be dealt with.

This to, outdoor stadiums are so much nicer than indoor ones.

I don’t know how vendor operations work in Lambeau Field so it’s possible that they are just contract employees from vendor companies that work at different fields in the state - however I am willing to bet that the vendors get these jobs knowing darn well that they may be working in cold weather and these companies make sure that their employees do what is necessary to minimize being out in the cold as short as time as needed.

Yep, and as far as the stalls go, those are heated. Lambo has HUGE sections of the outer ring that are heated.

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All football should be outdoors, IMO as a Minnesotan, as should baseball.

Damn right it should be. Though its amazing the Vikes even get a stadium ;)...Kidding :cool:

It's not a big deal, as mentioned both teams have huge propane heaters on the sidelines, the people working concessions in the stadium are in heated areas, and the guys carrying concessions up and down the seating areas of the stadium will be both bundled up and probably sweating from carrying their loads. As for anyone else, they can bundle up, it's not rocket science.

None of that is " heat " its all " exposure " :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And yes, tailgating in a cold area is half the fun, and you can bet outside lambeau is PACKED right now with hardy midwesterners having the time of their life.

If I was there at the moment I'd be frying fries, making brats and burgers and drinking beer. And not be dead somehow.

We need to stop pansifying everything. People can play in the cold, it's not a big deal, especially if you grew up with cold weather for 6 months out of the year.

The people who want to wussify everything are the suburban types who never left the planned community, went to a boring college, and now work in a boring cubical, near a boring city, and eat at boring TGI Fridays. And read something online and think they know what its like outside their little bubble. These are the same people who banned MoPed rentals in San Fran
 
No one seems to have made note of the fact that this year's Grey Cup (CFL championship game) was played in Regina SK in similar weather to today's Green Bay game. I think citizenzen is just upset that the 49ers are being forced to go to a cold place to play (IIRC, citizenzen is from/in California, where one might find grumpy Niners fans).
 
No one seems to have made note of the fact that this year's Grey Cup (CFL championship game) was played in Regina SK in similar weather to today's Green Bay game. I think citizenzen is just upset that the 49ers are being forced to go to a cold place to play (IIRC, citizenzen is from/in California, where one might find grumpy Niners fans).

I am from northern California, where it's a cloudless, sunny, ~60º day.

My main gripe is that a playoff game should be about personal skill, good preparation and clever coaching. When weather becomes a factor that threatens to be a bigger issue than that, then the game suffers because of it.

Baseball, golf, soccer, auto racing, sailing, and other outdoor sports get postponed due to severe weather. For some reason—I suspect an overgrown sense of machismo—professional football does not.

Can anybody explain why?
 
Is this question a joke? They play once a week in the NFL, they can tough out a little bit of cold every now and then. Look at the winter classic - talk about cold.. and those teams play multiple games a week on ice
 
I am from northern California, where it's a cloudless, sunny, ~60º day.

My main gripe is that a playoff game should be about personal skill, good preparation and clever coaching. When weather becomes a factor that threatens to be a bigger issue than that, then the game suffers because of it.

Baseball, golf, soccer, auto racing, sailing, and other outdoor sports get postponed due to severe weather. For some reason—I suspect an overgrown sense of machismo—professional football does not.

Can anybody explain why?

I believe weather in the form of rain/snow/wind is a part of the game as far as football is concerned. All the sports you list don't take place in winter and the severe weather you speak of is more along the lines of thunderstorms...which football also avoids.

No one is forcing people to go to the games and all the people can dress accordingly.

Similarly, I don't believe baseball games for instance have ever been called for excessive temperatures either


Meanwhile, there are many who work many more hrs in freezing temperatures making pittance compared to nfl players. Where's the outcry there?
 
Baseball, golf, soccer, auto racing, sailing, and other outdoor sports get postponed due to severe weather. For some reason—I suspect an overgrown sense of machismo—professional football does not.

Can anybody explain why?

I don't recall any of those being postponed because it was cold, however.
 
I am from northern California, where it's a cloudless, sunny, ~60º day.

My main gripe is that a playoff game should be about personal skill, good preparation and clever coaching.

Odd none of your posts, particularly the original one, seemed to mention that gripe. Heck, I'm a 49er fan so I'm on your side except for this topic. And by the way I'm still waiting for my U-Haul to rescue me.

The severe cold weather that is predicted in Green Bay is a threat to the health and safety of those working in the stadium, the fans and the players.

IMO, the game should be postponed and/or moved to another location.

The NFL is recklessly exposing people to those severe conditions and the game will be besmirched if the health of people, the performance of the players and the outcome of the game if affected by the cold.

Edit: hey maybe you did hint at it. My apologies.
 
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