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Just got mine today and set it all up by hand rather than restoring from a backup (I prefer clean installs). ;)

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Mine finally arrived from their factory in China yesterday!(I got it personalized)
This is EXACTLY what I needed. Such a tool!
Yes, textbooks - that is the perfect format for these larger devices. Get these cheaper and students all over will be using them instead of lugging around textbooks. You can have the textbooks/research papers/PDFs (in tabs) on one side and your paper on the other. It would be heaven.
 
Surprised you got one of the smart keyboards. I managed to score a pencil yesterday ... but still no luck on the kb.

yes and it was last one at NJ store i got it early 11/12. Without keyboard ipp was hard to use but now i am with ipp all the time.
 
That's doesn't mean anything. What differentiates an Air or MacBook from a MacBook Pro? Other than a better processor Options and a better chance to get a bigger screen.

Pro is just an advanced upgrade model.
 
That's doesn't mean anything. What differentiates an Air or MacBook from a MacBook Pro? Other than a better processor Options and a better chance to get a bigger screen.

Pro is just an advanced upgrade model.

The MacBook Pro has an available retina display, quad-core processor, capacity for more RAM, more ports/expansion, dual/dedicated graphics, the capacity to drive more external displays and probably a couple other things I'm not remembering. There actually is quite a difference in the Air and 12" MacBook lineup vs. the Pro other than sizing options and the CPU, which is not an inconsequential spec.

As someone with a MacBook Pro with Retina, Surface Pro 3 and an iPad Pro, I think you of all people would understand this.
 
The MacBook Pro has an available retina display, quad-core processor, capacity for more RAM, more ports/expansion, dual/dedicated graphics, the capacity to drive more external displays and probably a couple other things I'm not remembering. There actually is quite a difference in the Air and 12" MacBook lineup vs. the Pro other than sizing options and the CPU, which is not an inconsequential spec.

As someone with a MacBook Pro with Retina, Surface Pro 3 and an iPad Pro, I think you of all people would understand this.

And what is the ipad pro to the Ipad air2 - basically the SAME THING YOU JUST SAID.
  • More ram
  • Better processor
  • better dedicated graphics
  • New input connectors and pen input
  • Bigger Screen.

The Same. The only reason people are expecting it to be a professional because editors and marketing are feeding this delusion. I own a macbook pro with GPU and maxed ram....i must be professional then...

I think people seriously need to throw away the whole notion what is a professional device because if this was made for complete commercial use, it would cost a hell of alot more than just 800 and be alot more capable. Its a consistent naming structure and makes more sense than to call it Ipad Plus.
 
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And what is the ipad pro to the Ipad air2 - basically the SAME THING YOU JUST SAID.
  • More ram
  • Better processor
  • better dedicated graphics
  • New input connectors and pen input
  • Bigger Screen.

The Same. The only reason people are expecting it to be a professional because editors and marketing are feeding this delusion. I own a macbook pro with GPU and maxed ram....i must be professional then...

I think people seriously need to throw away the whole notion what is a professional device because if this was made for complete commercial use, it would cost a hell of alot more than just 800 and be alot more capable. Its a consistent naming structure and makes more sense than to call it Ipad Plus.

When the next Air comes out it will have more RAM, a better processor, better graphics performance, and probably support the pencil as most are saying, and there is a significant likelihood it will offer a smart keyboard. At which point until the Pro gets it's annual spec bump, the only real advantage will likely be the screen size, hence the plus. Most of what you mentioned isn't a lineup differentiation, it is a generation differentiation, one made more obvious because Apple did not update the specs on the iPad Air (and you can pretty much guess why).

I understand that paying for hardware does not a professional make. But I disagree that something must cost a lot more just because it is made for commercial use. It's a tad overused and a bit outdated, but I still like the term Prosumer.

However, I think the best thing we can do at this point is respectfully disagree.
 
When the next Air comes out it will have more RAM, a better processor, better graphics performance, and probably support the pencil as most are saying, and there is a significant likelihood it will offer a smart keyboard. At which point until the Pro gets it's annual spec bump, the only real advantage will likely be the screen size, hence the plus. Most of what you mentioned isn't a lineup differentiation, it is a generation differentiation, one made more obvious because Apple did not update the specs on the iPad Air (and you can pretty much guess why).

I don't believe you can use the assumptions of next years rumors and apply them to this year's product. But yes, if all the connectors, pencils, processors match EXACTLY the ipad pro then i'll eat my words.

But for now, The Pro naming structure makes perfect sense and quite frankly it sounds much better than saying Ipad XL or Ipad Plus. This could be just Apple's marketing plow to make it sound something different from that it already has.

The Pro always been the highest standard of a laptop or device line (aka flagship). That's how I always saw it, i don't think of it as for professionals only, just the flagship model. Best top of the line everything. And right now, this statement is some what true. I consider the Ipad Pro the flagship Ipad model for this year. Just like i consider the macbook pro as their flagship laptop.
 
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And how is it working for you? For what you have to use it for? Just curious.
I was using the stock notes app, but starting using notability halfway through my work tonight. I prefer writing in the stock notes app better, but like the organization that notability offers. I can have all accounting notes together, but on the apple notes app, everything is mixed together.
 
When the next Air comes out it will have more RAM, a better processor, better graphics performance, and probably support the pencil as most are saying, and there is a significant likelihood it will offer a smart keyboard. At which point until the Pro gets it's annual spec bump, the only real advantage will likely be the screen size, hence the plus. Most of what you mentioned isn't a lineup differentiation, it is a generation differentiation, one made more obvious because Apple did not update the specs on the iPad Air (and you can pretty much guess why).

I understand that paying for hardware does not a professional make. But I disagree that something must cost a lot more just because it is made for commercial use. It's a tad overused and a bit outdated, but I still like the term Prosumer.

However, I think the best thing we can do at this point is respectfully disagree.
I dunno I expect the pencil will be just for the pro

They need to make people buy the pro so they can't just include everything on the air that the pro has
 
When the next Air comes out it will have more RAM, a better processor, better graphics performance, and probably support the pencil as most are saying, and there is a significant likelihood it will offer a smart keyboard. At which point until the Pro gets it's annual spec bump, the only real advantage will likely be the screen size, hence the plus. Most of what you mentioned isn't a lineup differentiation, it is a generation differentiation, one made more obvious because Apple did not update the specs on the iPad Air (and you can pretty much guess why).

I understand that paying for hardware does not a professional make. But I disagree that something must cost a lot more just because it is made for commercial use. It's a tad overused and a bit outdated, but I still like the term Prosumer.

However, I think the best thing we can do at this point is respectfully disagree.

I think the new iPad is just the iPad plus, "pro" does not mean what or used to once in the apple product line, now it's like a trademark.

For me the iPad is a bigger screen, and much better battery life, with a few new accessories. Reminds me of the 6 plus, really ackward at first, but grows on you fast.
 
I was using the stock notes app, but starting using notability halfway through my work tonight. I prefer writing in the stock notes app better, but like the organization that notability offers. I can have all accounting notes together, but on the apple notes app, everything is mixed together.

How do you like writing with the Pencil, is it as precise as they say? I will need to write in tiny numbers and notes on PDF files...
 
I was using the stock notes app, but starting using notability halfway through my work tonight. I prefer writing in the stock notes app better, but like the organization that notability offers. I can have all accounting notes together, but on the apple notes app, everything is mixed together.

While I agree that Notes isn't as flexible as Notability, I did just discover that Notes (now?) supports folders. Just hit the back arrow and you will see them along with a New Folder button.
 
While I agree that Notes isn't as flexible as Notability, I did just discover that Notes (now?) supports folders. Just hit the back arrow and you will see them along with a New Folder button.
I need to check that out this weekend. It's been tough for me to try and figure out what features each note app has. School is coming to an end so papers are becoming due and exams are just around the corner. Notability has been the pretty easy to setup and get writing on. I made an accounting tab, then started writing.
 
You take yours work then?

Nice wallpaper

Yes. I do, I do use my Ipad Pro as part of my work flow. I would agree, that it's not as effective as the surface - i had that setup so that I would use cisco webex and onenote combined with screen sharing so that I can show engineers in China some ideas and thought process I was thinking on the fly (kinda like a dry erase marker).

For Ipad, i'm trying to figure out how I can do that. For now, I use it for emails, Datasheet PDFs which i can annotate and it's suppose to replace my moleskine notebooks. It's a process to figure out how to define my workflow. But for heavy duty work, i move back to my computer.

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The wallpaper is a photo I shot in Shanghai last May with my Sony A7. I'm super picky on wallpapers I realized because of the large screen, you can see more defects in the photo.
 
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