Has anyone addressed how app updates will take place in this new wild, wild west? Do I need to update each app individually because they came from different stores? Now I need a store app for each store? All mining data from my system. Yuck! iOS cleaned up all the crap I hate about PCs or even my MBP, updating apps individually is huge step backwards and negatively impacts the user experience.
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Will I still have a choice of a completely closed off walled garden operating system (NO TOGGLES/SETTINGS)? No. So that choice is gone.
Can you imagine the world of hurt Apple would be if they just arbitrarily shut the store down to be petty? It’s very concerning the thought process of some of you people…..
Why? How is that any different from a strike or boycott? It wouldn't be arbitrary or petty, it would be planned and in protest. The only impact would be no new apps and no updates till they reopened it.
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I feel like you’re definitely leading with the absolute worst case scenario rather than what’s actually realistic. Even on windows or MacOS I have maybe 20 different account for software from outside an app store. On iOS it would likely be closer to 5-10 different stores or devs. It would literally be exactly like buying apps on desktop, hence the wording. You’re also completely ignoring that they might not have to buy apps at all. They may be free, but just not allowed for vague Apple rules (see Xbox gamecloud or whatever it’s called these days).
Some people want to live in the matrix so darn much at the expense of the choice of others.
And I feel like you are leading with the best case scenario where "nothing changes" when an objective look at the market states otherwise. Chances are we end up in the middle somewhere but I still side on the fact that a unique ecosystem will be legislated into extinction by a collective group (all governments worldwide) who are unqualified to make these decisions.
I have 0 accounts for iOS apps outside of my AppleID and I don't want any, why would I want others to have my name, address, email, phone and CC unless I had to? Tell me we don't read about data breaches almost daily from even the largest of retailers! Why would I want more small processors and web hosts in between?
On my Mac, thankfully most of the apps I have outside of the store are free and without accounts but I wish they all were.
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And some people want their cake (Apple hardware) and to eat it too (alt-stores, alt-payments) not at all caring that those that value the one stop shopping advantages of the iOS store lose their choice to have those advantages.
I don’t see how you’re jumping from “most apps are free without an account” on your Mac to up to 100 different stores on iOS when you won’t even be forced to sideload. Even if I agreed with your numbers, which I don’t, that’s such an illogically large jump to make that it’s hard to believe you’re really arguing in good faith.
Facebook or Whatsapp don't care if you have accounts for them because your friends feed them your data already. And that's the tip of the iceberg, like literally the most friendly data abusers out there.
Also, interested in getting to know how you lived your digital life before Sign in with Apple.
Most apps on my MAC were free and did not require an account to download and use, some did and I'd prefer they didn't.
iOS is a different story, I would venture to say the average person has more apps on their phones than their desktops, if they even have desktops. So if an exclusivity war breaks out 10 different stores is not unlikely at all (apple, amazon, steam, epic, microsoft, google, facebook (meta), etc., for store functionality you need an account with them. 100 is obviously excessive but if each dev decided to pull out of all stores (like most PC/Mac apps do) then we need a store account with each of them and seeing 100 apps on a phone is not outside the norm.
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Agreed, this is a sad truth. I endeavor to give my info to the least number of places possible, purdent no?
Like a common savage, I gave my info out where necessary. Believe me I'd prefer not to but sometimes there are no other options. That being said "sign in with Apple" and the one stop shop aspect of the iOS store protect my info as it is not all passed to the dev and I do not rely on an individual dev to retain a reputable payment processor and has the wherewithal to protect their systems.
If you are tech savvy then you probably know how may times your name, address, email, phone and or CC and or passwords have been compromised. I have at least a dozen such occurrences including experian, home depot, yahoo who should certainly have had the ability to protect my data. Now why would I want to trust that no name, cheap devs can do better on their own vs what Apple provides?
Apps on Mac and Windows didn’t “pull out” of stores, they weren’t in them to begin with. The better comparison is Android, where there are a handful of mainstream alternate stores (Fdroid, Amazon, etc), and most apps are still available in the Play Store except where barred by Google’s rules.
You’re making it sound like using a computer from day to day is a hellscape of danger. It simply isn’t. Most companies have never had a data breach, and if you don’t want to trust your info to a dev or store you trust then don’t. I guarantee there will be an equally good alternative in the App Store. This whole this is so much smaller of a deal than you’re making it out to be.
It certainly is going that way with all this Meta/NFT/Blockchain talk non stop lately from the tech industry.
Now who is not debating in good faith?
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If these can be hacked so can the little piddly payment processors, like the one I referenced in post #126 who processes for Malwarebytes.
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Now who is not debating in good faith?
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Trust no one
Not even Apple
Logoff
Close the shades
Make a fire and cook some beans
....and hide
It's scary out there..
Still you. Those are very big companies, but they’re still a very small percentage of the total number of companies out there. I’m not saying no companies have ever had a data breach, but the overwhelming majority haven’t. Also, it’s not like Apple can’t also fall victim to this stuff. They’ve had breaches of their own in the past, so the idea that you’re 100% safe with your Apple account is a bit ridiculous.Now who is not debating in good faith?
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And I’ll say it again one more time, just in case it sinks in this time: YOU WON’T HAVE TO USE ANY OF THIS.
So dramatic, do you really feel this contributes to the conversation? My point is, it is prudent to protect your data as much as you can, simple as that, I think that is indisputable.
Apple is absolutely not infallible.
But if you are being honest you will admit that every single time you have to give out all your info, including CC, you increase your chance for CC fraud at best or identity theft at worst. So why would you want to?
Why is this such a controversial thought? I'm not in here claiming alt-stores will be armageddon from a virus and malware standpoint, I am simply in favor of the unique, one of a kind, ecosystem Apple has built and its conveniences and protections. Are they perfect... no but they are pretty damn good.
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Because the risk is low enough that it doesn’t affect me day-to-day. I have yet to fall victim to any sort of online fraud or theft. Obviously that’s not to say it will never happen, in fact I’m certain it will at some point, but I’m not going to live in fear until it does. I still limit the places I put my details, and I use things like Privacy.com for any stores I’m less certain of. But it should be my choice as to the level of risk I’m exposed to. I’m a big boy, I know what I’m doing and I’m able to weigh up pros and cons of an online purchase.
Well I hope it doesn't happen to you, if it does you might change your tune and not be so flippant about it. I have had a credit card hit as did my wife but the impact was thankfully minimal. I also unfortunately had the payroll company of a former employer get hacked and they lost the whole enchilada down to my SSN so I need to have credit monitoring basically forever. I'm not living in fear so stop trying to over dramatize that but I do have a heightened awareness because of those events and do what I can to minimize risk. IMHO Apple helps me do that by helping shield my info from smaller processors and I am thankful they do. Unfortunately if alt-stores are forced on us I may have to risk exposure or just not use certain apps any longer, as you pointed out we all weigh the risk/benefit.
I never said you’re living in fear. I said I’m not. Not everything is about you.
Rollcall...
How many subscription apps do people actually have? I have three:
Apple Music - $10/month
Overcast podcast player - $10/year
Some little checkbook register app I like - $8/year
Apple Music is Apple's own service... so it will obviously remain in my Apple account.
But Overcast and the checkbook register could move to their own websites or other stores. I don't think I'd have a problem moving my payment over there.
My question is... would Marco Arment (maker of Overcast) want to deal with the extra hassle of collecting and maintaining customer information and billing?
We still don't know if/how Apple will collect their commission from sideloaded apps or alternative stores. So if he still has to pay something to Apple... and deal with external payment processors... he probably won't make any more money. But it will certainly be extra work for him.
It seems like it will be easier to just leave your app in the App Store and pay Apple's cut if you're a small developer.
On the other hand... developers like Epic or King who process hundreds of millions of dollars in IAP every month will probably move to their own stores or sideloading.
Or would they also stay in the App Store just because people will be more likely to use it?
Now that I think about it... Epic already tried the sideloading route on Android. But they came crawling back to the Google Play Store because hardly anyone wanted to sideload since Google made it seem scary.
So I'm conflicted.
Either sideloading and alternative app stores will be the greatest thing ever... or they will be a huge disappointment and the App Store will remain the most popular store.
I just don't know.
But I do know that every week we see articles about some new bill or some new government opening an investigation into anti-trust or whatever. So something has got to change.
What will change? I don't know that either.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How many subscription apps do people actually have? I have three:
Apple Music - $10/month
Overcast podcast player - $10/year
Some little checkbook register app I like - $8/year
Apple Music is Apple's own service... so it will obviously remain in my Apple account.
But Overcast and the checkbook register could move to their own websites or other stores. I don't think I'd have a problem moving my payment over there.
My question is... would Marco Arment (maker of Overcast) want to deal with the extra hassle of collecting and maintaining customer information and billing?
We still don't know if/how Apple will collect their commission from sideloaded apps or alternative stores. So if he still has to pay something to Apple... and deal with external payment processors... he probably won't make any more money. But it will certainly be extra work for him.
It seems like it will be easier to just leave your app in the App Store and pay Apple's cut if you're a small developer.
On the other hand... developers like Epic or King who process hundreds of millions of dollars in IAP every month will probably move to their own stores or sideloading.
Or would they also stay in the App Store just because people will be more likely to use it?
Now that I think about it... Epic already tried the sideloading route on Android. But they came crawling back to the Google Play Store because hardly anyone wanted to sideload since Google made it seem scary.
So I'm conflicted.
Either sideloading and alternative app stores will be the greatest thing ever... or they will be a huge disappointment and the App Store will remain the most popular store.
I just don't know.
But I do know that every week we see articles about some new bill or some new government opening an investigation into anti-trust or whatever. So something has got to change.
What will change? I don't know that either.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Sheesh, between you and turbine, pleasure chatting with you.