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Exactly how does buying a locked down android phone allow me the same experience that Apple currently offers? I'll wait, this should be good.
It might shock you.
You will be restricted to only using the play store without the ability to side load without rooting the device.

Just as iOS is locked to one store, as you claimed was the sole reason to purchase it
 
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The question is does this attack vector matter at all? Do gain more consumer freedom and quality for 1% less security? Or is it the opposite?

Why not just regulate the rules app stores are allowed to apply? Cap their fees? Nothing about the current issues really NEEDS sideloading or alt app stores. That is just one way to potentially solve the “problem”.

Also, you say 1%, but if an actual exploit is found in the sideloaded app “sandbox”, that’s 100% less security, which seems like a pretty huge cost for ”consumer freedom”.
 
Why not just regulate the rules app stores are allowed to apply? Cap their fees? Nothing about the current issues really NEEDS sideloading or alt app stores. That is just one way to potentially solve the “problem”.
If only Apple weren't so obstinate and would actually self-regulate and make some appropriate and meaningful changes instead of waiting until it's too late and the government steps in and decides what changes to make for them. Apple is bringing this upon themselves. Who knows, maybe Apple has some backup plans with regard to making changes and was simply waiting to see how these bills were voted on in committee before deciding whether or not to implement them. If that happens to be the case, if I were Apple I'd get these changes out there sooner rather than later, before the bill heads to the full Senate for a vote.
 
Why not just regulate the rules app stores are allowed to apply? Cap their fees? Nothing about the current issues really NEEDS sideloading or alt app stores. That is just one way to potentially solve the “problem”.
That’s an option as well and have been brought up.
Also, you say 1%, but if an actual exploit is found in the sideloaded app “sandbox”, that’s 100% less security, which seems like a pretty huge cost for ”consumer freedom”.
Sideloaded apps use the exact same sandbox as App Store apps. Apps can’t run with root privileges without being jail broken.

And this problem exist right now with App Store apps. The review process isn’t sufficient enough to find such exploits as stated in internal mails
 
Why not just regulate the rules app stores are allowed to apply? Cap their fees? Nothing about the current issues really NEEDS sideloading or alt app stores. That is just one way to potentially solve the “problem”.

Also, you say 1%, but if an actual exploit is found in the sideloaded app “sandbox”, that’s 100% less security, which seems like a pretty huge cost for ”consumer freedom”.
I don't think that's how percentages work. But sure, if there's way a way Apple could achieve the same outcomes (more variety of apps, better options for customers and devs, etc) without sideloading, I'm all for that. I will say that they've had quite a bit of time to do that though and haven't really seemed interested in improving things much, likely because they just don't have to since they have no competition in terms of iOS app distribution. They put themselves in this predicament.
 
I hope Apple has a rabbit to pull out of their hat at this upcoming WWDC

Tripling down on this is going to be a bad result for them eventually
 
I hope Apple has a rabbit to pull out of their hat at this upcoming WWDC

Tripling down on this is going to be a bad result for them eventually
Giving up the micro-transaction money printer would be hard for any company. Giving up that and swallowing their pride and losing control? I really hope Apple knows what they're doing with their antitrust "strategy" (which at this point mainly seems to be delay tactics and FUD), because if they don't cede something quick, whatever framework regulators come up with has a high chance of having unintended consequences.
 
Well who would ever call steam a walled garden? It’s close to zero restrictions.
Only reason final fantasy 7 isn’t available is because the developer decided it
Which is exactly the point the person you responded to was making. These other app stores will push for exclusives and the developers are likely to "decided it" too.
 
if the source code is not reviewed by apple before it can be used on the phone then malicious programmer can put any bad code in there which can bypass the sandbox and can defiantly take ur data
Classic case of someone spreading misinformation. Well done, Apple did their job well on you.
 
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If only Apple weren't so obstinate and would actually self-regulate and make some appropriate and meaningful changes instead of waiting until it's too late and the government steps in and decides what changes to make for them. Apple is bringing this upon themselves. Who knows, maybe Apple has some backup plans with regard to making changes and was simply waiting to see how these bills were voted on in committee before deciding whether or not to implement them. If that happens to be the case, if I were Apple I'd get these changes out there sooner rather than later, before the bill heads to the full Senate for a vote.
This is where the market should correct itself. Not rely on big brother Government to come cracking down on Apple. Have developers leave iOS. Either Apple will change, or iPhone will die out. Let the market sort it out.
 
Okay ... Let me see if I get this.

We have a Walled Garden - aka App Store. Source of apps Apple allows and has vetted as best they currently do.
User can open the gate into the Walled Garden to buy apps.
We have a potential thing called "side loading" which is an alternate gate leading to one or more additional App Stores from which users can buy apps. Outside the Walled Garden.

So how does side loading allow more bad actors into the Walled Garden?
Color me a bit confused.
If you’re confused simply by the concept of this well documented walled garden of apples, perhaps you should try to understand it more before fighting tooth and nail against it? It’s a bit weird to be so against something that you don’t understand.
This is where the market should correct itself. Not rely on big brother Government to come cracking down on Apple. Have developers leave iOS. Either Apple will change, or iPhone will die out. Let the market sort it out.
Exactly. And the market is speaking pretty loudly for Apple, and has been since the iPhones inception.
 
This is where the market should correct itself. Not rely on big brother Government to come cracking down on Apple. Have developers leave iOS. Either Apple will change, or iPhone will die out. Let the market sort it out.
If you'd let the market sort it out all the time, you'd be in for a surprise with your favorite draconian mobile carriers. Not even talking about roaming charges that cost you more than your flight.
 
Distorted markets with unfair advantages do not correct themselves

“Markets” flat out can’t exist and function correctly without rules, regulations and enforcement

A market is a completely made up concept.
It doesn’t “exist in nature” or anything.
I'm starting to believe we are chatting with trolls. I'm a slow learner, but I learn.

Maybe it's time to leave
 
The average consumer are tech illiterate and will never sideload apps. They will continue to download from the App Store as usual. The only people who will sideload are Apple enthusiast who used to jailbreak their phones. These folks are tech savvy and know what they are doing and the risk involved. They are not just going to sideload any apps without due diligence.
 
Which is exactly the point the person you responded to was making. These other app stores will push for exclusives and the developers are likely to "decided it" too.
A weird point considering 99% use both stores at the as time. And why shouldn’t developers be able to pick the best platform seems weird.

Like shouldn’t a developer be allowed to develop only PlayStation? Or only iOS? Or only use steam or only use epic/ apple AppStore?
 
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It might shock you.
You will be restricted to only using the play store without the ability to side load without rooting the device.

Just as iOS is locked to one store, as you claimed was the sole reason to purchase it

Please quote where I said that was the only reason I purchased it. I have said from the beginning that I value this ecosystem and the "one stop shop" aspect and would like to see it continue on in it current state, I never said it was the only reason I have iOS devices.
 
Distorted markets with unfair advantages do not correct themselves
If developer leave iOS development for Android because no side-loading is available, it impacts Apple's bottom line. If a lot of apps get removed due to a lot of developers leaving, users start to switch to Android for those apps which impacts Apple's bottom line.

Apple can correct this, or let the iPhone die out. Yes, the market will correct itself.
 
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If developer leave iOS development for Android because no side-loading is available, it impacts Apple's bottom line. If a lot of apps get removed due to a lot of developers leaving, users start to switch to Android for those apps which impacts Apple's bottom line.

Apple can correct this, or let the iPhone die out. Yes, the market will correct itself.

That is not the market on iOS correcting itself
(There is no “market” at all)

Jesus
 
The idea that people currently only give their details to one company seems pretty misleading. I mean, even if you exclude all other ecommerce, there are a good number of wildly popular apps in the app store that require you to sign up on their site to use.

Well we aren't talking about people's online lives, we are talking specifically about their iOS app lives. Maybe I am an outlier but I do not have 1 single app on my iphone or ipad that requires me to have an account with the dev in addition to my Apple ID. So telling them that allowing alt-stores means they will need to give their info to multiple app stores if they want that app is just being honest.

EDIT: I think something like "Would you prefer to be able to download apps solely from the App Store, or from other sources as you're able to do on a desktop computer?" is far less slanted to support one side or the other.

Sorry but I feel this is slanted because your question does not tell the consumer that they will need an account with every different store, right now all iOS people know is their passcode, thumb print or faceid for use on the Apple app store. If you told them the alternative is opening an account on 10-100 different stores then I am quite confident they would "vote" to keep the status quo.

Personally I hate having to buy my Mac apps on individual sites, they can and do regularly have data breaches. When buying from independent sites who is the payment processor? How secure are they? Who hosts the devs site? How secure are they? Yes, in the big picture of the world we have no choice but to deal with different retailers and their partners but Apple has something different, a one stop shop, the buck stops with them and now you want that legislated away, what will you truly gain? Porn apps? Is it worth it?
 
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If Apple were the only game in town, this whole "open 'em up" movement might have some teeth. But they're not!! THERE ARE OPTIONS IF YOU WANT TO SIDE LOAD or hate Tim, or whatever other issues you have with Apple. Go away. Enjoy your options. Leave mine alone. It's not hurting anyone, anything. Why are some so bent on removing choice by making Apple more like Android? It's so bizarre... And exhausting. Stay strong Apple.
The old tired "removing my choice", stop just stop, they aren't removing your choice ?
 
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