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You suggested that I should "write off" apps that choose to leave the Apple app store for an alt-store as banned or discontinued by Apple. In my book that degrades my experience.

I get it, those that want a different experience than Apple currently offers are fine with degrading the experience that most of us enjoy currently, just be upfront about it, don't act like it is in everyone's best interest because it isn't.
Apps already leave the app store all the time. Or are made to leave. Is it really any different? A new one will take its place anyway. It's not degrading your experience any more than you can reasonably expect from how the app store runs now.
 
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Apps already leave the app store all the time. Or are made to leave. Is it really any different? A new one will take its place anyway. It's not degrading your experience any more than you can reasonably expect from how the app store runs now.

I agree this happens, but outside of Fortnite or Epic can you name 1 other major app? I have never had this happen to me besides a dev that chose not to update their apps which were games.
 
I agree this happens, but outside of Fortnite or Epic can you name 1 other major app? I have never had this happen to me besides a dev that chose not to update their apps.
Flappy Bird? Dark Sky is soon to be on that list if it's not already? I'm sure there are plenty of others that I'm forgetting.
 
this is untrue. you may have a point if we’re talking about jailbreaking, but we’re not.
are u know anything at all about programming? its also possible to bypass certain securities if u find a bug even if u have a sandbox. by side loading apps there is no way anyone can check apps for malicious codes that can harm ur phone and data. i only wonder how ignorant pipo are and only see the side of benefits of sideloading but they are ignorant to the side of issues and problems such thing will bring.

the next thing comming up is a class action lawsuit cause pipo load malware on thair phones and thair data get stolen and they blame apple for it.

i rather only use apple approved apps from the app store than being at risk of getting malware and spyware on my phone.

and honestly most pipo who want sideloading apps are thosse who dont want to pay for the apps and use pirated versions.


or do you want to sue now supermarkets or Legit Streaming platforms because u have to buy movies from there to watch them?

Sideloading opens a wide door for Piracy
 
Perhaps we need a polling for this. My bet majority don’t agree with you

Inside this thread, worded that way, you win. Ask the general public if they want their app choices in one place for potentially 10-100. Ask the general public if the want to give their name, address, phone number and credit card number to 1 company or 10-100, I bet you lose that poll.
 
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If I consider only buying games from Steam a Walled Garden, how do I get Final Fantasy 7 Remake? It’s not on Steam. This WILL happen on iOS. Because to compete with the App Store, exclusivities happen. Epic does it on PC to take on the Steam behemoth. Epic will do the same on iOS. People here are only thinking of tomorrow. Not a year from now.
Well who would ever call steam a walled garden? It’s close to zero restrictions.
Only reason final fantasy 7 isn’t available is because the developer decided it
 
How many more insane straw man situations and goal post moving scenarios can folks come up with?

lmao
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are u know anything at all about programming? its also possible to bypass certain securities if u find a bug even if u have a sandbox. by side loading apps there is no way anyone can check apps for malicious codes that can harm ur phone and data. i only wonder how ignorant pipo are and only see the side of benefits of sideloading but they are ignorant to the side of issues and problems such thing will bring.

the next thing comming up is a class action lawsuit cause pipo load malware on thair phones and thair data get stolen and they blame apple for it.

i rather only use apple approved apps from the app store than being at risk of getting malware and spyware on my phone.

and honestly most pipo who want sideloading apps are thosse who dont want to pay for the apps and use pirated versions.


or do you want to sue now supermarkets or Legit Streaming platforms because u have to buy movies from there to watch them?

Sideloading opens a wide door for Piracy
 
Inside this thread, worded that way, you win. Ask the general public if they want their app choices in one place for potentially 10-100. Ask the general public if the want to give their name, address, phone number and credit card number to 1 company or 10-100, I bet you lose that poll.
Maybe if you didn't ask a loaded question you'd get a more reliable answer.
 
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Not a single person here has said that explicitly.

Most are simply saying that a gate into the garden will enable more bad actors than continuing to have no gate.

It’s logically true. It’s laughably undeniable.

Okay ... Let me see if I get this.

We have a Walled Garden - aka App Store. Source of apps Apple allows and has vetted as best they currently do.
User can open the gate into the Walled Garden to buy apps.
We have a potential thing called "side loading" which is an alternate gate leading to one or more additional App Stores from which users can buy apps. Outside the Walled Garden.

So how does side loading allow more bad actors into the Walled Garden?
Color me a bit confused.
 
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Okay ... Let me see if I get this.

We have a Walled Garden - aka App Store. Source of apps Apple allows and has vetted as best the currently do.
User can open the gate into the Walled Garden to buy apps.
We have a potential thing called "side loading" which is an alternate gate leading to one or more additional App Stores from which users can buy apps.

So how does side loading allow more bad actors into the Walled Garden?
Color me a bit confused.

Because all it takes is 1 cracked or malicious store to do pretty massive damage to apples users.
 
No don’t get me wrong. I understand it - and I even have dabbled. But most people here aren’t saying what you’re saying. They’re wanting an android or traditional OS type approach. Install via your phone from the open internet.

If this comes to pass, there are potentially multiple solutions to this. We don't need to get stuck on any specific one. Maybe there will be multiple solutions put into play.
 
Sideloading IS another attack vector, whether it actually results in compromise remains to be seen, but anyone who says it’s not increasing the potential attack surface of iOS is lying or doesn’t understand what the words mean.

In my book, adding another attack vector is never good, especially when the reason is so petty and unjustified.
 
Oh just like there is proof from every developer in existence that ever single iOS app ever made and will be made will always be on the App Store? Thus solidifying the “keep the walled garden setting in place it won’t change your usage at all” stance? That’s a pure guess by others on this topic. While I have evidence it will NOT be that way by taking Epic’s attitude and how they compete with Steam as a reference point.
All the evidence we have today is evidence against your fear mongering. Steam have 99% or so of all games available on it. Epic have timed exclusives before being available again on steam etc.

Android have multiple stores and 99% use play store.

I don’t understand why you have a problem with stores paying developers to take a risk and stay exclusive.
Let's say your right, which your not, I posted references to payment processors being hacked, I posted references to apps unavailable via the MacOS store but what do you think I am wrong about?

Do you really believe that 100% of apps will maintain a presence on the Apple app store? If anyone claims that my user experience will not suffer than they must claim that or be in favor of that.
99% of apps will remain if they want the best exposure, unless apple is so incompetent and unable to compete without abusing their position
Do you really believe that moving from 1 store with 1 payment processor to lets say 10 major app stores, all with their own forced logins and random payment processors will not jeopardize user information? I don't see how that is possible as I posted references of random payment processors being hacked.
We manage with retail stores and 99% of other online payments we do. The most user friendly will have all the users. Why do you think steam dominates EA, Ubisoft, windows store, GoG etc etc?
Inside this thread, worded that way, you win. Ask the general public if they want their app choices in one place for potentially 10-100. Ask the general public if the want to give their name, address, phone number and credit card number to 1 company or 10-100, I bet you lose that poll.
Common, it should be neutral.
Do you think the general public would want only Amazon to buy everything? Majority likely want’s options
 
Sideloading IS another attack vector, whether it actually results in compromise remains to be seen, but anyone who says it’s not increasing the potential attack surface of iOS is lying or doesn’t understand what the words mean.

In my book, adding another attack vector is never good, especially when the reason is so petty and unjustified.
The question is does this attack vector matter at all? Do gain more consumer freedom and quality for 1% less security? Or is it the opposite?
 
All the evidence we have today is evidence against your fear mongering. Steam have 99% or so of all games available on it. Epic have timed exclusives before being available again on steam etc.

Android have multiple stores and 99% use play store.

I don’t understand why you have a problem with stores paying developers to take a risk and stay exclusive.

99% of apps will remain if they want the best exposure, unless apple is so incompetent and unable to compete without abusing their position

We manage with retail stores and 99% of other online payments we do. The most user friendly will have all the users. Why do you think steam dominates EA, Ubisoft, windows store, GoG etc etc?

Common, it should be neutral.
Do you think the general public would want only Amazon to buy everything? Majority likely want’s options
Ok, how would you word it fairly? I think my way was straightforward with no fear mongering but you try.
 
I don’t feel the question was loaded at all, only factual. What part of my question was misleading? How would you fairly word it in a way that everyone understands?
The idea that people currently only give their details to one company seems pretty misleading. I mean, even if you exclude all other ecommerce, there are a good number of wildly popular apps in the app store that require you to sign up on their site to use.

EDIT: I think something like "Would you prefer to be able to download apps solely from the App Store, or from other sources as you're able to do on a desktop computer?" is far less slanted to support one side or the other.
 
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