Sign In With Apple Will Be Required for Apps That Offer Third-Party Sign-In Options

[ApfelKuchen]

The problem with Apple's approach is that EVERYONE has the same right to privacy. However, by selling very expensive hardware, Apple heavily limits who can have privacy. In other words, privacy is now a luxury item rather than a right. But what else could we expect? in the capitalist world even staying alive is a luxury.

Yes, it all comes down to money. I wouldn't consider Apple pricing "luxury," but it's certainly higher. That higher price brings a variety of potential benefits/advantages, of which privacy is one.

The same can be said for the price of a well-made lock for your door, or police protection for your neighborhood. These things come at a cost, even when the cost is hidden. If those with no money get these benefits at no/low cost (which arguably they should), then the money had to come from somewhere else, whether it turns out to be exploitation of natural resources (oil lease revenues), higher taxes on the middle class and wealthy, etc.

The US has a particular antipathy these days to government-run redistribution of income (redistribution of wealth via commerce is another matter). We're in one of those periods of extreme that will eventually force a swing in the other direction... and so the pendulum goes.

 

[lartola]

Yes, it all comes down to money. I wouldn't consider Apple pricing "luxury," but it's certainly higher. That higher price brings a variety of potential benefits/advantages, of which privacy is one.

The same can be said for the price of a well-made lock for your door, or police protection for your neighborhood. These things come at a cost, even when the cost is hidden. If those with no money get these benefits at no/low cost (which arguably they should), then the money had to come from somewhere else, whether it turns out to be exploitation of natural resources (oil lease revenues), higher taxes on the middle class and wealthy, etc.

The US has a particular antipathy these days to government-run redistribution of income (redistribution of wealth via commerce is another matter). We're in one of those periods of extreme that will eventually force a swing in the other direction... and so the pendulum goes.

Paying $1000 or more upfront IS a Luxury. And people have to pay at least that much for most Apple products. Maybe the iphone isn’t considered as luxury in some countries such as the US or Australia because of carrier financing, but it is indeed luxury in the rest of the world outside those countries, where people must pay for it upfront.

 

[Abazigal]

Paying $1000 or more upfront IS a Luxury. And people have to pay at least that much for most Apple products. Maybe the iphone isn’t considered as luxury in some countries such as the US or Australia because of carrier financing, but it is indeed luxury in the rest of the world outside those countries, where people must pay for it upfront.

Are we forgetting that Apple also sells older iphone models for way less, or that you can also get the same benefit from 2nd-hand iPhones?

It's not like these features are somehow limited only to people who buy the most expensive or latest iPhones. An iphone SE or 6S would still get iOS 13 and these additional features.

 

[Shirasaki]

Paying $1000 or more upfront IS a Luxury. And people have to pay at least that much for most Apple products. Maybe the iphone isn’t considered as luxury in some countries such as the US or Australia because of carrier financing, but it is indeed luxury in the rest of the world outside those countries, where people must pay for it upfront.

Yes, financing. But that’s quite a long contract lock-down period, be it either 2 years or 3. And the cost of having those contracted devices, whether it is leased or owned at the end of the term, are generally more expensive than outright purchase price plus a comparable plan, at least in Australia. Those monthly costs are not cheap either, especially for iPhone. If I want to get an iPhone XS Max as Telstra, I have to pay $160/mo over the course of 2 years. On top of all other bills, this is quite a chunk of money out per month. After 24 months, not only I have 10GB less data per month, but I pay $330 more. Maybe this is what we call “interest”, and one major factor I was against financing a phone 3 years ago and still today. In short, owning an iPhone was a luxury and still is today.

 

[ipedro]

I think this is a great feature and I will be moving all my sign ins over. I'm so tired of Facebook logins. I can 't wait.

Going very slowly, though I’ve gotten confirmation from a few bigger apps that they’ll be adding Sign In With Apple soon. TuneIn and Ritual said they’re working on it.