Sign that next MBP will have Blu-Ray

[noodle654]

downloadable content comes free on my apple tv, bluray and media are dying.

games are being digitally downloaded more then bought...world of warcraft is a prime example.

a bluray movie on my 1080p tv does not look that great over dvd....not the extra $10-15 thats for sure.


every person has there own opinion i suppose.

I'm going to agree with you here. I can't tell you the last time that I actually watched a DVD in my DVD player or my computer or TV. I can download anything I want cheaper than a BR player. How much does a BR cost, $30? Good lord, I would rather spend $5 and get the same thing. Honestly, as much as I hate to see the DVD/CD player in a laptop go, I really have no problem with it. If I want to watch a DVD now-a-days, I rip it on my external HDD and plug it into my Xbox or something, so I always have a copy and a huge collection, all on one disc. In a few years time, BR/DVD will be gone. There is a reason why the Xbox and even Apple has not adopted BR. Downloadable content is the future.

 

[xIGmanIx]

exactly what i was thinking......

50gb a disc is a joke....64gb memory sticks will be $40 by next year....

itunes is to sell digital media...apple is not going to ruin that with a bluray drive...

by next year BD size will increase as well. You can buy a BD for about $10 that has 50GB. what match are you doing. Who wants to use a memory stick for movie anyways? lame argument and even lamer that apple doesn't support the hardware, period. whether you want one or not, you can't defend not even allowing the option, and stop with the physical media thing is dead.

I'm going to agree with you here. I can't tell you the last time that I actually watched a DVD in my DVD player or my computer or TV. I can download anything I want cheaper than a BR player. How much does a BR cost, $30? Good lord, I would rather spend $5 and get the same thing. Honestly, as much as I hate to see the DVD/CD player in a laptop go, I really have no problem with it. If I want to watch a DVD now-a-days, I rip it on my external HDD and plug it into my Xbox or something, so I always have a copy and a huge collection, all on one disc. In a few years time, BR/DVD will be gone. There is a reason why the Xbox and even Apple has not adopted BR. Downloadable content is the future.

See netflix membership growing at an astonishing rate

 

[MacModMachine]

get with the program, well....i know one thing i would hate to have to search though dvd's and look for a dvd with a certin season on it...when i can find it instantly on digital media device.

i never said you dont have to pay....you have to still pay...but companies offering digital download have it utilized more then actual store bought media.

i have a 58" samsung. i have a upconverting samsung dvd player, the dvd's while interpolated still look good.

bluray looks better...dont get me wrong....but i wouldent invest my money into that "little improvement", when for free i can harness the hd content on my apple tv (no need to buy all new media and hardware).

 

[MacModMachine]

by next year BD size will increase as well. You can buy a BD for about $10 that has 50GB. what match are you doing. Who wants to use a memory stick for movie anyways? lame argument and even lamer that apple doesn't support the hardware, period. whether you want one or not, you can't defend not even allowing the option, and stop with the physical media thing is dead.



See netflix membership growing at an astonishing rate

i dont know anyone who would rather a blueray then a digital copy.

blurays scratch, take up room , take time to load into players.

digital is the way of the future, i dont want to argue about it , believe it or not, its the way of the future.

media will only be around for a 2-4 more years at the most.

SSD's are going to start increasing at astonishing rates and digital media is already exploding (no puns on the ipods).

 

[Nermal]

i never said you dont have to pay

You did, actually. You said that people are downloading instead of buying.

 

[Gabriel GR]

You do know any new technology costs an arm and a leg at first, correct? SSDs are very expensive now, but like everything else that is technology, it will be dirt cheap in a few years. Same with DVD.

Flash drives still have too low a capacity at too high a price; a 32 GB is at least $60, while a 50 GB BD is around $20. HDD, like I said, is too heavy and bulky. Plus a HDD could be in any of many formats, which, depending on your OS, may not work on your computer.

I do realise it but blu ray has been around for a good 4 years and it's not getting cheaper at the same pace as DVD did back in 2000 when HDD's were tiny and flash drives non-existent. Check out the linear trend I attached

What about those of us who don't have an Apple TV?

You mean I don't have to pay? I'd like some real data to back this up.

Your TV must be on the smaller (for 1080p) side. On the 52'' Sony at my house, DVD looks just OK, while BD looks fantastic, almost like you're there.

Blu Ray offers the best picture someone can get out of a modern television. That's a fact.

 

[MacModMachine]

You did, actually. You said that people are downloading instead of buying.

huh...how do you get that out of not having to purchase.


downloading does not mean FREE...its a means of obtaining digital data.

 

[xIGmanIx]

i dont know anyone who would rather a blueray then a digital copy.

blurays scratch, take up room , take time to load into players.

digital is the way of the future, i dont want to argue about it , believe it or not, its the way of the future.

media will only be around for a 2-4 more years at the most.

SSD's are going to start increasing at astonishing rates and digital media is already exploding (no puns on the ipods).

i like it when random folks on a macrumors forum make such bold proclamations like "XXX will be YYY in ZZZ years". The market and physical infrastructure will decide this if the ISP's don't cut us off at the knees.

 

[MacModMachine]

just to clear this up.


the internet is a great example of the digital age. if i have a headache and need to know how to get rid of it...i dont read 3 books to figure it out, a simple google search will yeild many ways.


toss the books, go online.

 

[MacModMachine]

i like it when random folks on a macrumors forum make such bold proclamations like "XXX will be YYY in ZZZ years". The market and physical infrastructure will decide this if the ISP's don't cut us off at the knees.

actually, my company was recently hired to design a backup strategy/solution for another company.

in this bluray media (was not considered) came up as a topic of discussion.

the guys i was speaking with in toronto were the best of the best when it comes to future electronics/technology . i drew my own decision based on there information.

ISP's are rolling out fiber now...caps are increasing, there reasonable now.

i am offered a 95gb cap on my 10mb connection, i never go over playing hd all the time.

for anyone interested...we setup a NAS in the end because of cost.

 

[xIGmanIx]

actually, my company was recently hired to design a backup strategy/solution for another company.

in this bluray media (was not considered) came up as a topic of discussion.

the guys i was speaking with in toronto were the best of the best when it comes to future electronics/technology . i drew my own decision based on there information.

ISP's are rolling out fiber now...caps are increasing, there reasonable now.

i am offered a 95gb cap on my 10mb connection, i never go over playing hd all the time.

for anyone interested...we setup a NAS in the end because of cost.

so toronto's best of the best = what exactly? Who would propose a solution of just backing up onto physical media. Cloud storage is what is taking off. Just because you as a consumer in your location are offered x services, doesn't mean that applies world wide.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

get with the program, well....i know one thing i would hate to have to search though dvd's and look for a dvd with a certin season on it...when i can find it instantly on digital media device.

Not if you don't know where it is.

bluray looks better...dont get me wrong....but i wouldent invest my money into that "little improvement", when for free i can harness the hd content on my apple tv (no need to buy all new media and hardware).

AFAIK, Apple TV doesn't support 1080p.

i dont know anyone who would rather a blueray then a digital copy.

I sure would.

blurays ... take up room , take time to load into players.

So do HDDs.

digital is the way of the future, i dont want to argue about it , believe it or not, its the way of the future.

AFAIK, DVD, BD and all optical media is digital.

media will only be around for a 2-4 more years at the most.

You know a medium is a means by which something is communicated, right? So from what you're saying, we won't have televisions, BDs, the internet, HDDs, cameras, etc in 2-4 years, correct?

SSD's are going to start increasing at astonishing rates and digital media is already exploding (no puns on the ipods).

But SSDs are still prohibitively expensive and flash memory still isn't available in large enough capacities at reasonable prices.

Blu Ray offers the best picture someone can get out of a modern television. That's a fact.

I never said it wasn't.

 

[MacModMachine]

so toronto's best of the best = what exactly? Who would propose a solution of just backing up onto physical media. Cloud storage is what is taking off. Just because you as a consumer in your location are offered x services, doesn't mean that applies world wide.

cloud storage is limited by your wan...its useless for large amounts of data.

who are you to propose what i propose?

 

[Gabriel GR]

I just checked and the price for a 25GB TDK disk is around 7 bucks. That's 280 euros per terrabyte of non continuous non searchable storage. It is a lot of money... You get 2 server class 1TB drivers and enclosures with that money. or around about 5TB worth of DVD-R's.

I never said it wasn't.

Never said you did. I just acknowledge the quality of Blu Ray as a video format but IMO being a handy backup solution is what it needs to succeed.

 

[MacModMachine]

Not if you don't know where it is.



AFAIK, Apple TV doesn't support 1080p.



I sure would.



So do HDDs.




AFAIK, DVD, BD and all optical media is digital.



You know a medium is a means by which something is communicated, right? So from what you're saying, we won't have televisions, BDs, the internet, HDDs, cameras, etc in 2-4 years, correct?



But SSDs are still prohibitively expensive and flash memory still isn't available in large enough capacities at reasonable prices.



I never said it wasn't.

1tb hdd = $109 canadian

10gb (avg) digital download movie x 100 = 1000gb

100x9.99 canadian per movie = 999.99 + 109 for hdd

100 x $30 for bluray = $3000


1100 vs 3000

ill take the 1100 for digital movies i can store on a harddrive...which is smaller then 2 blurays stacked....

oh i forgot...i cant scratch my digital downloads....and if my hdd dies...i can always re download them from the store.

 

[Gabriel GR]

so toronto's best of the best = what exactly? Who would propose a solution of just backing up onto physical media. Cloud storage is what is taking off. Just because you as a consumer in your location are offered x services, doesn't mean that applies world wide.

Unfortunatelly you're right. I hope yesterdays 2 hour gmail downtime taught people a lesson.

 

[Jasoco]

I want a Mac with Blu-Ray and a HandBrake that can rip Blu-Ray discs. (And HD-DVD's so I can just rip the 6 I own instead of having to spend money to replace them with BRD's) So I can have them on my Media Center. It's not fair that I can only rip my DVD's, yet I know Blu-Ray rippers exist since I've seen the video files.

I have to buy The Office Season 5 on DVD this year because I already have 1-4 ripped on my HD and I don't want to end up with one season I can't watch ala carte. That's what I want. Ala carte DVD/Blu-Ray watching. So I don't have to put up with menus and waiting. It's nice, you know, being able to just scroll through a list of all your Simpsons episodes and pick the one you want to watch without having to guess what disc it was on and what season it was in.

 

[Nermal]

huh...how do you get that out of not having to purchase.

Because you said "instead of buying". It's obvious now that that's not what you meant.

 

[xIGmanIx]

cloud storage is limited by your wan...its useless for large amounts of data.

who are you to propose what i propose?

Apparently your version of cloud differs from most

 

[evitica]

The fact of the matter is that Blu Ray is catching on, or I should say, faster than Apple TV. Ideally, Apple would like Apple TV to get the market share of digital media and high definition movies, but more movie houses, large and small, have already adopted Blu Ray. There is no clear winner in digital distribution, so the movie houses are going to stick with Blu Ray. For example, look at IFC and Criterion both adopting Blu Ray just recently.

Also, Shake 'n' Bake is right on. The new Final Cut Studio has many output options for Blu Ray. It would be a waste of time for them if they knew Blu Ray on Apple machines wouldn't be an option in the near future.

Thats my two or three cents.

 

[mikes70mustang]

Just because all of the fanboy schmoes on here think BR is no good, doesnt mean the rest of the world thinks that. Most people want to pop in a disc and play it, not jack around with all the other crap. itunes didnt kill cds yet, digital movies wont kill discs fast either.

 

[tsa1]

as asians call it, bru lay!

No, it wont be on the next update/refesh, the blu ray disc sadly will be a short lived media format, as HD downloads will take over which is regrettable since I like owning the actual disc's.

Maybe in two more updates. when apple can make a 100% profit on it.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

What about those of us who don't have an Apple TV?



You mean I don't have to pay? I'd like some real data to back this up.



Your TV must be on the smaller (for 1080p) side. On the 52'' Sony at my house, DVD looks just OK, while BD looks fantastic, almost like you're there.

I dont get why people think that just because there is a group of people that want something that it should be offered.

so should apple offer a million CTO options to make everyone in the world happy. not practical.


Apple has always done what they want. steve jobs said in an interview somewhere that "the consumer many times don't know what they want until we show it to them"

apple thinks that physical media is dying (I agree) but whether it is true or not. if they feel that way they will push it into existance,


also, apple does not care about making an option for you a non-apple tv owner.

if they think that their lack of Blue-ray support will push people to buy other products they sell, trust me they will do it.


as for the the screen size, are you planning on having a 52' laptop?

I would not hold my breath for Blue-Ray.

 

[waywardsage]

Multiple reasons why blu ray will hold on a bit longer:

BANDWIDTH CAPS! ISP's like Time Warner are rolling these out nation wide in the US. Last time I checked, European ISP's rape their customers even worse!

Broadband isn't a vast majority. And even those who have it, (like me) can't download the massive HD files that even hold a candle to Blu ray.

The Best HD downloads don't even hold up to blu ray. Blu ray is vastly superior is sound and audio. Those who tell you otherwise don't actually know what their talking about.

Downloads don't have special features! How bad does this suck? No commentary, deleted scenes, documentaries, interactivity..etc. They probably won't. Or, you'll be nickle and dimed for each one. And THEN have to wait for it to download.

Fear of Piracy. The industry is scared to death of this and will drag their heels as long as they can. Thats why they like blu ray. HDCP offeres them some sort of content protection that they can at least buy into.

Availabilty of titles on Download sites/Licensing. Apple has a massively small selection of movies for download. And at the moment, only for Rent. Know why? It's called licensing. This is a VERY complicated quagmire of who has the rights to what movies. And, Apple has to negotiate with every rights holder or distributor for each film. And some won't allow their work to be downloaded via online. Many distributors fear piracy and don't want their titles distributed online due to fears of piracy. Netflix instant viewing is all well and good, but they don't have enough titles for me to buy an Xbox live gold membership yet. And i haven't seen many titles that i want on there.

Storage?! Last time i checked, regular hard drives were cheep but they're MAGNETIC. Magnetic hard drives fail. They don't last a long time. Discs, properly treated can last decades.

Take your pick. Any one of these could be a serious roadblock to downloads taking a majority, let along taking over. Hollywood will ride the physical media as long as they possibly can.

The irony in all of this is that the "downloading cheerleaders" really do not understand what's going on. They're cheering for the death of physical media and championing the file while not understanding the ramifications of this. If hollywood ever does move over, they will surely embrace a "rental" system. Similar probably to apple's system or netflix. This sucks because us fans of films will be unable to truly own copies of our own. We'll have to go back the the man to pay our $1, or $5, (probably) to watch a copy of Taxi Driver, or Gladiator.

Because ultimately, if they had their way, they would never want us to OWN them. Only rent them to us.

That is the true future of download if we're not careful.

 

[Jigsawjammer]

a bluray movie on my 1080p tv does not look that great over dvd....not the extra $10-15 thats for sure.


every person has there own opinion i suppose.

What brand of TV? People are shocked at blueray on my TV and I love to show how much worse DVD looks. HD TV is so different that I never watch non-HDTV.
EDIT: nevermind