Sign that next MBP will have Blu-Ray

[brendu]

forgive me if someone already said this but i couldnt read all the posts, there are too many to waste my time..

i do not see apple adopting BR, it would hurt their itunes store... sorry for those people who dont have broadband.. apple does not care about your internet dilemas..

also dont forget that apple was the first company to drop the 5inch actual floppy disks in favor of the 3.5 "floppy" disks, then they were also the first to drop those for cd drives... i see them being the first to completely ditch optical drives at least in their laptops... it makes sense to have no moving parts in a laptop and when SSD's are cheaper it will become economical... for those people who really want an optical drive (DVD or BR) im sure at some point there will be an external one offered..

 

[jfyrfytr25]

woa, it's SO inconvenient to plug in 3 things, *which I do already*. I guess you completely gloss over my question, if my laptop can have Blu Ray, wouldn't it be better than having a BD player? It's one less thing to buy. They're definitely not going to abandon optical drives soon, so why not have the latest tech?

And I don't care if I reinforced your point. My point is that it will ultimately be detrimental if they don't ever adopt Blu Ray. Imagine if they kept using CD drives only when DVD came out. They would look like complete fools. And the comparisons to floppy disks are ludicrous. Floppies were already dead. CDs, hard drives, USB drives, they had already killed floppies dead. But Blu Ray probably still has 10 years left. Consider this: my town was one of the first towns in one of the first states for Verizon to roll out Fios. But my neighborhood doesn't have fiber, and they only started building it out a few weeks ago. It'll be another month before you can get Fios in my neighborhood. So that's more than 3 years to roll out fiber to one of the first towns in one of the first states that will get fiber. It will be another 10-20 years before most Americans have access to fiber optics. Most will still buy optical disks during that time.

i am not going to continue to repeat myself post after post. if you want to continue believing that APPLE will adopt BD go right ahead. i am being more realistic. Apple is going to drop optical drive soon. the rest of the industry will be years behind. DVD players, CD players for your home and car will continue to go strong. but for computers, apple will drop them in an effort to try push people to the itunes digital side.


but for all of us to sit here and argue back and forth for days is ridiculous, Not one of us knows for sure what they will do until they do it. so i think all of our opinions have been well heeded so i think this is dead...

 

[jaytv111]

i am not going to continue to repeat myself post after post. if you want to continue believing that APPLE will adopt BD go right ahead. i am being more realistic. Apple is going to drop optical drive soon. the rest of the industry will be years behind. DVD players, CD players for your home and car will continue to go strong. but for computers, apple will drop them in an effort to try push people to the itunes digital side.


but for all of us to sit here and argue back and forth for days is ridiculous, Not one of us knows for sure what they will do until they do it. so i think all of our opinions have been well heeded so i think this is dead...

I guess you don't want to listen. Fine then.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

I guess you don't want to listen. Fine then.

listen to what? the non-sense that you are spewing. no, i have an opinion.

you have yours. i am not so arrogant as to think i am going to change your mind. and i KNOW you are not going to change my mind.

now, if you have solid proof, substantial reasoning that supports apples immenent adoption of BD, then i am all ears. but if all it is going to be is your opinion and the reason they should include it is because you want it then i have no more time to waste on that.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

I would say backuping on somthing that you can destroy with a scratch is pretty dumb.

I suppose. It's more portable and less expensive than a HDD.

I backup everything important on my fileserver and my 640 Gb external drive.

Good for you. I backup my Mac mini and iTunes library.

 

[jaytv111]

listen to what? the non-sense that you are spewing. no, i have an opinion.

you have yours. i am not so arrogant as to think i am going to change your mind. and i KNOW you are not going to change my mind.

now, if you have solid proof, substantial reasoning that supports apples immenent adoption of BD, then i am all ears. but if all it is going to be is your opinion and the reason they should include it is because you want it then i have no more time to waste on that.

I told you the reality that many people don't have high speed internet. At home I have 768k DSL. If I was lucky, to download 5 GB of a movie (isn't that how big iTunes movies are?) it would take 15 hours. You completely gloss over this important point. How can people be expected to download entire high definition movies if they either have dial up, or what can barely be described as broadband? (less than 1 Mb)? And how am I spewing nonsense? A majority of people get less than 5 Mb for an internet connection. That is a fact. Many people have caps on their connection. That is a fact. Now believe whatever the hell you want. But I am saying IN MY OPINION that it will be to their detriment if they never adopt Blu Ray.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

I told you the reality that many people don't have high speed internet. At home I have 768k DSL. If I was lucky, to download 5 GB of a movie (isn't that how big iTunes movies are?) it would take 15 hours. You completely gloss over this important point. How can people be expected to download entire high definition movies if they either have dial up, or what can barely be described as broadband? (less than 1 Mb)? And how am I spewing nonsense? A majority of people get less than 5 Mb for an internet connection. That is a fact. Many people have caps on their connection. That is a fact. Now believe whatever the hell you want. But I am saying IN MY OPINION that it will be to their detriment if they never adopt Blu Ray.

there are still going to be physical media that can be bought for home use. you think that if apple drops optical drive that means that physical media completely dissapears from the face of the earth. Apple alone is going to be the ones to do this. YOU keep glossing over that and talking about the industry as a whole. and yes it may detrimental, then again it may not. either way they are going to try it. just like they tried to drop firewire. may not work but they will try.

i will address the brosdband issue. mfg never make decisions based on making everyone happy. the majority of US sales of apple products are in major markets because that is where their retail stores are. in those major metro areas are where the highest speeds are. not only that, the US is only a part of their market. the european markets are booming with broadband speed. many markets over their have 20Mbps download over the air via wimax. i know us americans tend to think we are the only ones in the world. but the truth is there are bigger markets will play a part in apple's road map.

 

[Cave Man]

Doesn't the unibody take 9.5mm optical drives? If so, then we'll need new technology because the thinnest Blu-ray drive is 12.7mm. That or Apple will have to reengineer the unibody.

 

[Davidkoh]

I suppose. It's more portable and less expensive than a HDD.



Good for you. I backup my Mac mini and iTunes library.

The whole reason of a backup is to have your data in case your lose your computer/hdd failure or such. Few companies/people backup their sensitive data to walk around with it in their pockets. If you talking about bringing files with you, then internet is still a better option.

 

[Shake 'n' Bake]

If you talking about bringing files with you, then internet is still a better option.

How is it?

 

[Gabriel GR]

I suppose. It's more portable and less expensive than a HDD.

It's actually the same price per gb as an external HDD and contrary to the HDD that you'll be able to connect to 100% of computers and several other devices like DVD-Players, and even televisions, the data on the blu ray are only accessible from computers equiped with blu ray drives... And the majority really isn't.

So I don't see how it's cheaper and I question it's portability.

 

[Davidkoh]

How is it?

Because with the internet you will be able to access your whole fileserver if you'd like to, not only what you decided you would need to access when you left home.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Because with the internet you will be able to access your whole fileserver if you'd like to, not only what you decided you would need to access when you left home.

i 2nd that. it is so easy to set up an FTP now a days.

download filezilla, dyndns utility, and set them up pointed to your backup drive.

and BAM. anywhere you go you can access that drive from any internet connection in the WORLD. there is even a small iphone app that you can download from an FTP and them transfer those files to any computer wirelessly.

better yet, and easier, spend $99 on mobile me and have 10GB of cloud storage. not to mention the countless sites with multi GB's of off site storage for free.

 

[Davidkoh]

i 2nd that. it is so easy to set up an FTP now a days.

download filezilla, dyndns utility, and set them up pointed to your backup drive.

and BAM. anywhere you go you can access that drive from any internet connection in the WORLD. there is even a small iphone app that you can download from an FTP and them transfer those files to any computer wirelessly.

better yet, and easier, spend $99 on mobile me and have 10GB of cloud storage. not to mention the countless sites with multi GB's of off site storage for free.

Yeah, I got mine at home. I don't really have the fastest net though (only get transfer speeds at around 2 MB/s in upload) so it's not that fast. I got a faster server to use if I have to transfer big files.

 

[MovieCutter]

Oh you kids and your physical media obsession. Physical media is dead. Face it. Blu-Ray is a flash in the pan, and will be dead in the next 5 years as people who can afford broadband will get their media online, or the small minority who can't or don't care anyway, will cling to their DVDs. Unless Blu-ray can make DRAMATIC price cuts in the next 2-3 years, it's a dead format. Downloads are the future. Deal with it. I haven't bought a DVD since 2003. I pulled the optical drive from my MBP because I don't need it. I still watch HD movies on my MBP, but I don't do it over Blu-Ray. I watch 1080P movies on my 52" TV, but I don't own a Blu-Ray player. Again, physical media is dead...get over it.

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Oh you kids and your physical media obsession. Physical media is dead. Face it. Blu-Ray is a flash in the pan, and will be dead in the next 5 years as people who can afford broadband will get their media online, or the small minority who can't or don't care anyway, will cling to their DVDs. Unless Blu-ray can make DRAMATIC price cuts in the next 2-3 years, it's a dead format. Downloads are the future. Deal with it. I haven't bought a DVD since 2003. I pulled the optical drive from my MBP because I don't need it. I still watch HD movies on my MBP, but I don't do it over Blu-Ray. I watch 1080P movies on my 52" TV, but I don't own a Blu-Ray player. Again, physical media is dead...get over it.

you should hear some of the people on here talk about Blu-Ray. it sound as though they have meet a magazine supermodel and love it so much they want to marry it and have babies. i have never meet anyone so attached to a piece of technology as some here. and to tell them it will be dead in a few years. weil you might as well take 'em out back behind the barn and put them out of their misery. they are devestated.

 

[evitica]

Physical media for film is NOT dead. I don't know if you noticed, but big cooperations are somewhat slow in adopting new technology. So they would easily find more comfort with releasing in Blu Ray then in digital formats. I know the shift to Blu Ray is slow, but it'll be a lot faster than a digital format. Not only that, but we, the technologically savvy, represent a very small demographic compared to the rest of mainstream America, so they will drive the demand. I understand that a digital format might make more sense in terms of cost and convenience, but I don't think we are going to see a sudden shift soon. That's where Blu Ray's market share comes in. Makes sense to me...

 

[otis123]

while blu-ray would be nice, but do people really need it? sure its great for movies, but flash is so much better, faster, cheaper, and more flexible. I will demand a optical drive of some sort in my future computers, but it does not need to be blu-ray.

 

[Time Clock]

Warning: long post

you should hear some of the people on here talk about Blu-Ray. it sound as though they have meet a magazine supermodel and love it so much they want to marry it and have babies. i have never meet anyone so attached to a piece of technology as some here. and to tell them it will be dead in a few years. weil you might as well take 'em out back behind the barn and put them out of their misery. they are devestated.

I can be as much of a jerk as you:
you should hear some of the people on here talk about digital downloads. it sound as though they have meet a magazine supermodel...i have never meet anyone so attached to a piece of technology as some here...



What's up with the confrontational attitude? While I do admit that digital distribution probably will be the future of technology, I do not believe that it will be THE way for quite a while.

A large part of this has to do with the issue of broadband penetration- my house just got DSL a couple of weeks ago. How long will it take for the rest of the world to catch up?

Another aspect has to do with the fact that many people (myself included) are running relatively outdated and old computers that can't play video from the internet, but can play optical disks just fine. Flash video and other such programs will only become more bloated and less efficient as the years progress. I can play a DVD just fine on my iBook, but youtube is hopeless and it will only get worse.

I also don't trust hard drives for long-term storage. I have CDs from over twenty years ago that still play music just fine, and data CDs from over ten years ago that still allow me to access the data. I can't say the same thing about a hard drive. Can you give me anything close to that guarantee with anything other than optical media? Maybe flash? Flash also has its limitations as well. I think in terms of backing up anything important, multiple sources would be better anyway.

I am leery of download movie distribution because studios will find ways to charge extra for things like special features. It's kind of like how many movies used to be two disks for the price that single disk movies are now. The DRM associated with digital downloads frightens me as well in a likes to watch movies at a friend's house sort of way.

And in a final note, if there was at least BR playback in OS X, a little bit of the argument might be lessened... maybe. Jobs' argument about the "bag of hurt" was such a crappy argument anyway. This is all my opinion based on how I see the future of technology.

 

[trondah]

You only just got DSL and have outdated computers with DVD, but you still _need_ blu-ray on a laptop?

Every Mac has a DVD, and HD video really isn't all that on small screens.

 

[CrackedButter]

forgive me if someone already said this but i couldnt read all the posts, there are too many to waste my time..

i do not see apple adopting BR, it would hurt their itunes store... sorry for those people who dont have broadband.. apple does not care about your internet dilemas..

also dont forget that apple was the first company to drop the 5inch actual floppy disks in favor of the 3.5 "floppy" disks, then they were also the first to drop those for cd drives... i see them being the first to completely ditch optical drives at least in their laptops... it makes sense to have no moving parts in a laptop and when SSD's are cheaper it will become economical... for those people who really want an optical drive (DVD or BR) im sure at some point there will be an external one offered..

You should have read the posts, it has been quite illuminating. I've read all 5 pages in order to chip in now.

I told you the reality that many people don't have high speed internet. At home I have 768k DSL. If I was lucky, to download 5 GB of a movie (isn't that how big iTunes movies are?) it would take 15 hours. You completely gloss over this important point. How can people be expected to download entire high definition movies if they either have dial up, or what can barely be described as broadband? (less than 1 Mb)? And how am I spewing nonsense? A majority of people get less than 5 Mb for an internet connection. That is a fact. Many people have caps on their connection. That is a fact. Now believe whatever the hell you want. But I am saying IN MY OPINION that it will be to their detriment if they never adopt Blu Ray.

That is lame, I downloaded a movie on my iPhone in my pocket last night, while I was in a bar working, in about 90 minutes. (They have a relatively slow wifi setup compared to home broadband in the UK). I feel sorry for you guys in America.

Anyway, not to further this BD vs DM debate, but to quell it.

This all boils down to a lifestyle choice and there is no way anybody from either camp is going to give in because of it.

I have no interest in BD. I'm happy with my flash drives, the portable HD's and downloading digital content, whether it's bought or rented. I appreciate the quality of Vinyl but I will never find time for it, I'm not an Audiophile, I wish I was, but I can only have a deep interest, the money and love for a certain amount of things in my life. I live a mobile lifestyle, and I'm always on the go, what do I need with fantastic audio or cinema setups to take advantage of Vinyl or Blu-Ray? I don't even own a house!

Nobody will be able to convert me so why argue the merits of either for your respective lifestyles. I'm well aware digital media is always at risk of disappearing if my backups fail but I've chosen my side, I will deal with it, not you.

But...

All I want is for Apple to simply remove the optical drive as they did with the MacBook Air, sell us the external drive across all Apple laptops and allow us the option of another laptop with a minimal range of CTO options.

 

[Davidkoh]

Warning: long post


A large part of this has to do with the issue of broadband penetration- my house just got DSL a couple of weeks ago. How long will it take for the rest of the world to catch up?

Another aspect has to do with the fact that many people (myself included) are running relatively outdated and old computers that can't play video from the internet, but can play optical disks just fine. Flash video and other such programs will only become more bloated and less efficient as the years progress. I can play a DVD just fine on my iBook, but youtube is hopeless and it will only get worse.

A. Many countries by now have atleast 24 Mbit connections to most of their houses. Sweden is at place 18 or so in the worlds broadband technology and almost everyone here got atleast 24 Mbit. Hell, you can get 7.2 Mbit wireless on 3G in big parts of the country too. Sweden is still behind the larger countries.

B. If your computer cannot handle youtube it cannot handle 1080p Blue-Ray either...

 

[jfyrfytr25]

Warning: long post



I can be as much of a jerk as you:
you should hear some of the people on here talk about digital downloads. it sound as though they have meet a magazine supermodel...i have never meet anyone so attached to a piece of technology as some here...



What's up with the confrontational attitude? While I do admit that digital distribution probably will be the future of technology, I do not believe that it will be THE way for quite a while.

A large part of this has to do with the issue of broadband penetration- my house just got DSL a couple of weeks ago. How long will it take for the rest of the world to catch up?

Another aspect has to do with the fact that many people (myself included) are running relatively outdated and old computers that can't play video from the internet, but can play optical disks just fine. Flash video and other such programs will only become more bloated and less efficient as the years progress. I can play a DVD just fine on my iBook, but youtube is hopeless and it will only get worse.

I also don't trust hard drives for long-term storage. I have CDs from over twenty years ago that still play music just fine, and data CDs from over ten years ago that still allow me to access the data. I can't say the same thing about a hard drive. Can you give me anything close to that guarantee with anything other than optical media? Maybe flash? Flash also has its limitations as well. I think in terms of backing up anything important, multiple sources would be better anyway.

I am leery of download movie distribution because studios will find ways to charge extra for things like special features. It's kind of like how many movies used to be two disks for the price that single disk movies are now. The DRM associated with digital downloads frightens me as well in a likes to watch movies at a friend's house sort of way.

And in a final note, if there was at least BR playback in OS X, a little bit of the argument might be lessened... maybe. Jobs' argument about the "bag of hurt" was such a crappy argument anyway. This is all my opinion based on how I see the future of technology.

you think apple or any other company cares about you having an out dated computer. these are the same people that push tech. so quickly that people replace machines every 1-2 year. every 6 months if they can swing it.

they dont care you have an old computer. they are not going to hold back progress because some people have old equipment.

as for broadband, the rest of the world dont have to catch up, the U.S.A does. the rest of the world has caught up. they are on blazing wireless broadband speeds as we speak. many of them get their internet for free thought their government. and again, your aurgumrnt is considering the total
abandonment of dvd & CD in the industry. i never said that was going to happen soon. Apple themselves will do this, they will be the first ones and will continue to be the firt for another few years. in the meantime, there will be a handful of people that dont like it. the heavy movie watchers on computer, and those that are attached to CD's. they will either buy a external or go to another mfg.

but it just makes sense for apple to drop optical since a large part of their business plan is digital downloads.

there are people that dont like it, but the mojority or consumers dont care. do a google search about watching movies on your computer. you will see a whole list of articles stating studies that people are downloading movies and music to their computer more than ever. and that those same people are not buying physical media. further more, one of them says that over 40% of those interviewed were over 40 years old. so it is not just the kids driving these numbers it is from adolesence to middle age that likes to download their movies.

P.S. if your computer is so old it can not handle a streaming movie, how the heck is it going to play a blu-ray DVD?

 

[Cave Man]

P.S. if your computer is so old it can not handle a streaming movie, how the heck is it going to play a blu-ray DVD?

Well, the Radeon 9550 did have on-board MPEG-2 acceleration, so it could have handled those Blu-rays with that codec if there were software to use the card. But what would have killed it would be the HD audio. Certainly it couldn't have handled h.264 or VC-1 video.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Oh you kids and your physical media obsession. Physical media is dead. Face it. Blu-Ray is a flash in the pan, and will be dead in the next 5 years as people who can afford broadband will get their media online, or the small minority who can't or don't care anyway, will cling to their DVDs. Unless Blu-ray can make DRAMATIC price cuts in the next 2-3 years, it's a dead format. Downloads are the future. Deal with it. I haven't bought a DVD since 2003. I pulled the optical drive from my MBP because I don't need it. I still watch HD movies on my MBP, but I don't do it over Blu-Ray. I watch 1080P movies on my 52" TV, but I don't own a Blu-Ray player. Again, physical media is dead...get over it.

It's all about you, isn't it ? What's a gallon of koolaid taste like ?

Why not give customers a choice. You choose not to order it on your mac and I choose to, that is, if Apple gave us a choice. How hard is that to understand. Choice is good.