Flame baiting sounds very much like what we have already in place. What specifically would you want changed or added?
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I'm sorry you got banned
. Even though I generally disagreed with your post, they were worth reading.I think the reason most people get banned is because they tried to get in the last word. If people are posting on PRSI, state your opinion and then move on to a different topic. People will not change their mind so, unless you are answering a question by someone, it's counter-productive to continue arguing once you have stated your opinion.
I think that PRSI is fine the way it is.
If someone would have told me that months ago i wouldnt be banned from PRSI right now. I had no idea I could block a whole thread. My mistake.
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I'm sorry you got banned
I think the reason most people get banned is because they tried to get in the last word. If people are posting on PRSI, state your opinion and then move on to a different topic. People will not change their mind so, unless you are answering a question by someone, it's counter-productive to continue arguing once you have stated your opinion.
I think that PRSI is fine the way it is.
Thanks for the kind words. To me that was what PRSI was to me. Discussing and sharing different ideas. I enjoyed your posts as well. I especially enjoy reading LizKat's posts. Even if she is being baited she takes the high road and crafts an eloquent response every time. Something for us all to aspire to.
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I have quit too.
This is the first time in MONTHS I've logged in to this site. After getting thumped by a moderator several times, I just stopped. I realize that I have nothing worth saying that anyone else isn't thinking, and getting shot down so many times in what I thought was a capricious and vindictive way just made it unnecessary to remain.
Moderation is needed in a world facing web group. I myself have moderated online groups in the past. It's a fine line to walk when dealing with people. I've run into people that I haven't liked in groups, and, yes, have appeared to be vindictive towards them. It's hard to stay objective at times, and not let emotions get in the way. But this isn't my group, and, judging on some of the petty fights I've witnessed here, I'm glad I'm not a moderator.
But, not meaning to flounce, lurking isn't bad. Yes, there have been some times I really wanted to login and comment, but I realize my comments are already there so I pass.
This site is bigger than any member, and yet smaller than any moderator. Over moderation, and fickle moderation has killed the mojo of many sites. It's sad, and can change the character of a site or group.
I wish MR a long and exciting future.
Peace and fishes, as I go back to the darkness.
This is the first time in MONTHS I've logged in to this site. After getting thumped by a moderator several times, I just stopped. I realize that I have nothing worth saying that anyone else isn't thinking, and getting shot down so many times in what I thought was a capricious and vindictive way just made it unnecessary to remain.
Moderation is needed in a world facing web group. I myself have moderated online groups in the past. It's a fine line to walk when dealing with people. I've run into people that I haven't liked in groups, and, yes, have appeared to be vindictive towards them. It's hard to stay objective at times, and not let emotions get in the way. But this isn't my group, and, judging on some of the petty fights I've witnessed here, I'm glad I'm not a moderator.
But, not meaning to flounce, lurking isn't bad. Yes, there have been some times I really wanted to login and comment, but I realize my comments are already there so I pass.
This site is bigger than any member, and yet smaller than any moderator. Over moderation, and fickle moderation has killed the mojo of many sites. It's sad, and can change the character of a site or group.
I wish MR a long and exciting future.
Peace and fishes, as I go back to the darkness.
Hey all. This is my last post here as well. As a veteran admin and moderator of other sites over the many years, I fully understand the challenges of moderating an online community. I also know when moderators "target" certain individuals. The inconsistent moderation on this site has made it such that it is no longer enjoyable to participate in community. One moderator in particular, seems to be consistent in their inconsistency towards me (they know who they are). I don't say this with the intention or hope of changing things... only to state what my observations have been.
I don't know how many, if any will care about my departure (not posting to fish for compliments), but if there happens to be anyone who is wondering where I'm at, please let them know that they can find me on the 'net by looking for my username.
I've had a great time on this forum. The community has been terrific even in spite of the growing number of "bomb throwers" who enjoy watching the drama they stoke. It's been wonderful to watch the maturity and growth of some of the younger members... from emotion-driven fanboyism to thoughtful and reflecting about technology and life. I wish them great success in life.
I hope that MR is successful in what they purpose to accomplish. I encourage the members to consider that people are more important than products and how we treat each other says a lot about who we are.
Take care.
s
I don't know how many, if any will care about my departure (not posting to fish for compliments), but if there happens to be anyone who is wondering where I'm at, please let them know that they can find me on the 'net by looking for my username.
I've had a great time on this forum. The community has been terrific even in spite of the growing number of "bomb throwers" who enjoy watching the drama they stoke. It's been wonderful to watch the maturity and growth of some of the younger members... from emotion-driven fanboyism to thoughtful and reflecting about technology and life. I wish them great success in life.
I hope that MR is successful in what they purpose to accomplish. I encourage the members to consider that people are more important than products and how we treat each other says a lot about who we are.
Take care.
s
Sorry to see you go, @sracer, I am very disappointed in how certain kinds of trolling by individuals who contribute nothing to the forum is allowed to continue and bring down the level of the forum.
I'm very sorry to hear this. I make it a point to read your posts. I usually find them entertaining and often find them informative. I wish you well.
Sorry to see you go, our exchanges have always been pleasant.
Very sorry to see that you plan to quit the forum, @sracer; not least because, as @Ulenspiegel has pointed out (above), you have been a stalwart ally in the "MBA wars" as you share out admiration for - and respect for - one of the best computers ever designed.
Just having discovered this thread, I wanted to say howdy to some of the old hands who popped up in it, assuming they are still around to read this. A bit of a trip down memory lane, this was.
We old-timers have seen a lot of changes around here, surely not all for the better, but I think we are all finding the moderation policy remains about the same. Which is to say, often arbitrary, and occasionally, vindictive. Definitely with room for improvement.
I can't say I've ever been subjected to the indignity of a "time out" (well, not yet), but I have also walked away from these forums (and the site entirely) in disgust for weeks, months, and even years at a stretch, after receiving moderator warnings for no good reason. In one particularly egregious case, a moderator went back days to find posts of mine to delete arbitrarily. Just to show me he could, I guess. Nice. I suspect many of the old hands who we never see anymore disappeared for much the same reason. They can't all be deceased.
But that isn't what put me over the edge and led to my walking away for long periods of times and my less frequent visits now. No, what did that trick was when an effort to discuss a moderation decision resulted in an abrupt "talk to the hand" response. The treatment I received was ruder than if I'd just shown up here yesterday, and started trolling. While I fully realize that no moderation policy is ever going to be close to perfect, an unwillingness to even explain it is about as far from perfect as it gets. When something isn't explained, it probably can't be explained.
I haven't stopped visiting this site entirely, but I check in far less often now, and honestly, I am finding my Apple news elsewhere. And next time one of my posts is deleted for being "off topic" or "frivolous" then I too will be saying "so long" for good.
We old-timers have seen a lot of changes around here, surely not all for the better, but I think we are all finding the moderation policy remains about the same. Which is to say, often arbitrary, and occasionally, vindictive. Definitely with room for improvement.
I can't say I've ever been subjected to the indignity of a "time out" (well, not yet), but I have also walked away from these forums (and the site entirely) in disgust for weeks, months, and even years at a stretch, after receiving moderator warnings for no good reason. In one particularly egregious case, a moderator went back days to find posts of mine to delete arbitrarily. Just to show me he could, I guess. Nice. I suspect many of the old hands who we never see anymore disappeared for much the same reason. They can't all be deceased.
But that isn't what put me over the edge and led to my walking away for long periods of times and my less frequent visits now. No, what did that trick was when an effort to discuss a moderation decision resulted in an abrupt "talk to the hand" response. The treatment I received was ruder than if I'd just shown up here yesterday, and started trolling. While I fully realize that no moderation policy is ever going to be close to perfect, an unwillingness to even explain it is about as far from perfect as it gets. When something isn't explained, it probably can't be explained.
I haven't stopped visiting this site entirely, but I check in far less often now, and honestly, I am finding my Apple news elsewhere. And next time one of my posts is deleted for being "off topic" or "frivolous" then I too will be saying "so long" for good.
More and more longer term members showing up in this thread to say that they just don't like the direction the site is taking. I'm disheartened that there hasn't been a meaningful response from moderators or administrators. A "Yeah, you're right, we could do better on this and we will find a way to do so," would go a long way, I feel.
This place is moderated by cowardice. When they are in the wrong, they ignore you or close the thread.
I was banned for telling someone that they sounded like someone else. I will probably be permanently banned for this post, because the truth hurts.
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I hate to sound cynical, but my consistent impression from being around here for just a few years is that no suggestion for improving any aspect of the site will ever be acknowledged, let alone, considered and implemented. I know, I've tried to make constructive suggestions any number of times over the past 16 years, to absolutely no avail. It's a crying shame, really. This used to be the go-to site for Apple news and chat, but the consistent resistance to change and improvement has created an atmosphere reeking of stagnation. The abuse of members by arbitrary moderation only ices that stale cake.
I have found that the best 'moderation' I do by simply ignoring what is of no interest for me.
There's an huge amount of posts here. And a lot of nonsense posted.
Some nonsense seem to be favorable to the moderators, while other things, not.
I really don't expect the moderators to really read it all, or be non-partial either.
We are all humans.
I mean why even care, it's a big forum. Make your own choices.
There's an huge amount of posts here. And a lot of nonsense posted.
Some nonsense seem to be favorable to the moderators, while other things, not.
I really don't expect the moderators to really read it all, or be non-partial either.
We are all humans.
I mean why even care, it's a big forum. Make your own choices.
Because when people enjoy something, they want it to be the best it can be. And when they are banned from part of a forum that they enjoyed for reasons they believe are BS, they would hope that there would be someone here who could see their point of view and work with them. but there isn't, its just, our way or the highway. And yes, I know its a free forum so you shouldn't expect good "customer service" so no one has to point that out to me.
I seriously doubt that’s why you were banned.
Sent you a PM. Read that and then respond. I can prove it to anyone, unless they ban me.
edit to say, I give the mods permission to make my moderation public.
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You make some good points. This is why it wouldn't bother me if I did get permanently banned.
It may appear that way, but from first-hand experience I can categorically state that this is untrue.
I can certainly appreciate your other-side-of-the-fence view of this, but I hope you can also appreciate that a great many of us have never seen any evidence of this, so we'd have no reason to think the situation is any different than what I described. In a case like this, impression is reality.
So are you in touch with Skunk? Been ages. We had some great pun battles back in the day.
It’s understandable. From memory, there were capacity issues generally with development. Day to day moderation and discussions surrounding moderation was the bulk of the task. Discussion threads about development or suggestions could take a while to even achieve a useful quorum let alone full buy-in and usually focussed on real pain points e.g. marketplace rules, troublesome long-running disputes or post count thresholds for individual forums. The paper trail for moderation issues can be extensive. Sometimes, you’d have to wait for admins to achieve a consensus. It’s a big place and there’s a lot going on.
There have been many positive changes over the years, although with a handful of posts per year these days, I can’t comment on the current state of moderation nor do I pay any attention to them, particularly those who are uptight. However, I will say that it was not unknown for members who were in good standing to receive positive but critical feedback if they stray... and for others who have a track record, sometimes a little rope is enough to eventually hang them.
Perhaps this thread might be more useful if specific and overly-draconian rules were discussed that might be tripping people up, rather than a blanket diss of the mods. I don’t know, though. Some people I’ve seen complaining in this thread have histories, shall we say.
And no, I’m no longer in day to day touch with anyone from MacRumors. Just a couple of pals on Twitter or occasionally WhatsApp. Life and work got in the way for most, I think.
You can’t talk about any specific instances of moderation publicly. Because the mods will remove the post and give you a warning. And it’s hard to talk about specific rules without giving examples of it happening. It’s a great catch 22 to keep the conversation generic just like in this thread. The site runs, the ads get viewed, that’s all they care about at this point.
It isn't the rules themselves but their highly inconsistent interpretation that can be so galling. I don't really care to talk to specific cases if only because everyone who's made this observation has their own story with the same theme. Put it this way, not just one of us has felt that posts were removed not because they actually violated a rule, but apparently for other, unrelated reasons. Note that of the three active mods participating in this thread, none have said that kind of thing should not happen, at least not that I've seen. So if the idea is to make people wonder what the moderation policy really is, then I suppose it works. If the idea is to at least try to have a consistent policy such that those who care to know, can know where the lines are located, then it doesn't work. It could be useful to have an open discussion about these issues. It might be enlightening for all involved. But I don't see where that's on, do you?
You can give the mods permission to post your moderation, like I did. I doubt if I hear beck from them. I find it odd that every time I had a problem, it was Weaselboy that did the moderating.