Simply Put, Too Much

Thanks for gracing us with mementos of times gone by the boards. :)


No problemo, amigo.

I registered in 2004, but lurked as a non-member for about 12 months before signing up for Mac advice. Can you imagine a forum pre-iPod or iPhone? We're talking G4 iMac here, before MySpace even.

I can understand newish members going 'wtf, politics in my tech bizness, omfg why?', but for longstanding members to carp on about its existence, seems a bit silly, as well as a waste of time and energy. It was originally called something like the 'War and Politics forum'.

Skunk (virtually a neighbour here in London) was there from the very beginning, right there in that first thread. Wouldn't surprise me if he nonchalantly raised an imperious finger and said 'let there be light (and heat)'.

Funniest moment I can recall was some righty-tighty self-important non-entity getting apoplectic about pseudobrit's hammer and sickle avatar, as if it was an affront to all human decency. The subtext, of course, was that the bark had been stripped off them in some long-forgotten tussle and since they couldn't kidnap his cat or send a silent platoon of ninjas after him, reporting his avatar seemed the next best thing.

:D
 
No, not PRSI, the posters - the forum is only what those who participate make it.

If political discussion and debate becomes a platform merely for an exchange of insults, well, it is the posters and participants, not the forum, that must bear responsibility for that lamentable state of affairs.



Possibly.

React before reading, even my students used to try that one in class sometimes.

You hit it on the head. Most of PRSI has devolved into exchanging insults. I learned the hard way that the back and forth I got sucked into eventually upset someone, they report one of my posts they didn't like, the moderator moderates, and now with the new forum enforcement.... I am banned from PRSI permanently.

Too many topics are bait threads designed to antagonize and illicit responses. Many of those who participate in PRSI have a particular political point of view. It's all partisan and they come her for affirmation. Their talking points or points of view never change, and they do not engage in conversation. There are very few actual discussions. Most comments are back and forth bickering. It has no end.

By default the back and forth exchange, criticisms, and insults leads to someone crossing the line. Every time. I feel the whole idea of moderating PRSI is random and has no clear result. It's like trying to moderate a mosh pit. Everyone is slamming each other, taking swings, lobbing insults, yet it's up to the moderators to get in there and decide who is carrying it too far. The people in the pit have chosen to go there. Since moderators are people too, it leads to random ejections.

The fact that people choose to jump into the pit that is PRSI, I say let them fend for themselves. Why bother to moderate it at all? Many people who come to PRSI have zero interest in Apple products. Take a look at some of the history of some of these regulars. They NEVER post any comments in any other threads. Absolutely none. They come here for the exact reason that leads people to be banned... To argue and criticize. Letting PRSI moderate itself will not hurt MR in any way. If they worry about their sites reputation, they should separate PRSI from the main site.

No one ever changes their mind about a topic, no one ever says you make a good point I was wrong, no one ever sees the other person's point of view or says I agree. Their comments and arguments are endless partisan bickering. To be honest I have strong opinions about PRSI but I don't miss it that much. I have blocked it from my feed.

On the other hand, now that I am spending time on this site dealing with the Apple fanboys, Samsung haters, and Loyalists, I have learned a few things, and shared a few opinions, but I remain much more calm...
 
Why bother to moderate it at all?


Yeah, that would be a riot of laughs.

Perhaps because it might not be a good look for the forum owners to host forum topics about pedophila, necrophilia, torture, murder, anti-semitism, classes of drug use and advice in their use, bestiality, cannabilism, infanticide, masturbation and pornography... or advocating the common ownership of the means of production or making a hackintosh. ;)
 
Yeah, that would be a riot of laughs.

Perhaps because it might not be a good look for the forum owners to host forum topics about pedophila, necrophilia, torture, murder, anti-semitism, classes of drug use and advice in their use, bestiality, cannabilism, infanticide, masturbation and pornography... or advocating the common ownership of the means of production or making a hackintosh. ;)

You have a good point there. I stand corrected.

Funny thing is during my tenure in PRSI, I defended freedom of choice, gay rights, defended against and called out those who appeared to support racism, segregation, repression, bias, inequality, prejudice, and so on. My noble cause backfired, yet I feel I contributed to the greater good. Hopefully I'll be remembered as one of the good guys...
 
PRSI exists because it makes ARN lots of money via ad views... stick paid ads on a page, then fill the page with controversial topics that lure people into the fray... instant cash payout. That is why, despite the utter uselessness, it will never go away... it's a recipe for printing ARN's own stash of cash.
Does he make money from Adblock users?
 
There’s running a tight ship, then there’s just sinking the ship. I am also a member of more than a decade, who visited this site for hours a day, every day. Now, I might stop by once or twice a week. The value and entertainment is gone, with selective heavy moderation taking its place.
I echo this sentiment and like you, participate MUCH less than I had
 
It’s pretty simple. I find PRSI very unattractive. The times I’ve tried to get involved there, I haven’t enjoyed it. There are a few posters I had a great talk with, even though I disagreed with them but PRSI is very leaning to one side and you’re bound to get a lot of flack if you’re not like minded. (Did my best to keep this not PRSI).

The rest of the site seems to have picked up a lot of anti-Apple haters vs what I remembered when I first joined making it a lot less of an enjoyable experience than it once was.

I echo this sentiment and like you, participate MUCH less than I had

Same though I’m nowhere near as old as both of you. I find the term: “Selective Heavy Moderation” interesting, especially in regards to PRSI. As the admins/mods have stated, they don’t go looking for violations in PRSI and only respond to reports, so if one doesn’t report, “injustice” abounds. The last thing I want to do is make more work for the mods so I usually don’t report unless it’s blatantly obvious (and I don’t report in PRSI).

Macrumors seems to be doing pretty well. I’m sure they’re happy with the money they’re making. Mods do a really good job vs other forums I’ve been to. I’ll be a contributor for awhile longer but I’m definitely toning down my activity and will probably stay out of PRSI as I can’t contribute to the numerious one sided threads in a way that would be appreciated there.


I’ll say it again - I really wish there was a way to keep PRSI out of “Latest Replies” as that’s where I have spent a lot of my time over the last few years. But I’m sure that makes Macrumors a lot of $ via clicks. But it sure makes it harder to enjoy this site for me personally.
 
I echo this sentiment and like you, participate MUCH less than I had
Same boat as you. Used to post a lot. PRSI is the only reason I have gotten into trouble and now I just avoid it. Used to be fun, but the mods use of suspensions is arbitrary. That part of the forum should really be unmoderated (except for obvious things like threats to do harm to another member or things of that nature.)

Anyway, I only check this site and maybe spend 10-20 minutes a week here now.
 
I’ll say it again - I really wish there was a way to keep PRSI out of “Latest Replies” as that’s where I have spent a lot of my time over the last few years.
We have asked @arn about this on several occasions but there doesn’t seem to be a way for members to remove PRSI from their results.

Have you tried using ”New Posts” as your front page for the forums? You can block all PRSI posts from appearing here (and also the live Forum Spy) while still seeing the all the latest replies from the other forums.
 
We have asked @arn about this on several occasions but there doesn’t seem to be a way for members to remove PRSI from their results.

Have you tried using ”New Posts” as your front page for the forums? You can block all PRSI posts from appearing here (and also the live Forum Spy) while still seeing the all the latest replies from the other forums.

Awesome!! Thanks. Will start using this.
 
The new post thing works great. Makes reading macrumors a lot more pleasant. I’ve trained myself to do that instead of going to forums and latest replies. Highly recommend this to others. Thanks again OllyW!
 
We have asked @arn typed
quick question.

how do I ignore a specific thread from appearing on "spy"

i figured out how to avoid politics, iPhones, high low and medium sierras, mojave, watches and bravado announcements from the supreme leader tim jobs.

thanks in advance!
 
It’s pretty simple. I find PRSI very unattractive. The times I’ve tried to get involved there, I haven’t enjoyed it. There are a few posters I had a great talk with, even though I disagreed with them but PRSI is very leaning to one side and you’re bound to get a lot of flack if you’re not like minded. (Did my best to keep this not PRSI).

It was much more liberal years ago. But, it was also much more enjoyable. The problem isn't the fact that it leans one way, as we had plenty of good discussions back in the day. The problem is that the trolls are abounding.
 
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It was much more liberal years ago. But, it was also much more enjoyable. The problem isn't the fact that it leans one way, as we had plenty of good discussions back in the day. The problem is that the trolls are abounding.
even at public places like pubs and cafés. this seems to me that humans are taking their Facebook way of interacting, pubic.
 
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As has been noted repeatedly, you need not pay attention to PRSI or read the threads therein. It is a little odd that people who do not like PRSI are getting worked up about its existence when it can be simply filtered out or ignored. On my part, I find the people who are geeky enough to follow MR are generally intelligent, educated and diverse. I like to know what they are thinking even if it does not relate Apple directly. Also, I find the tone in some of the threads that do relate to Apple directly to be just as antagonistic as PRSI (e.g., the iOS-vs-Android, Apple-vs-Samsung, and walled-garden-vs-user-freedom threads).
 
It’s pretty simple. I find PRSI very unattractive. The times I’ve tried to get involved there, I haven’t enjoyed it. There are a few posters I had a great talk with, even though I disagreed with them but PRSI is very leaning to one side and you’re bound to get a lot of flack if you’re not like minded. (Did my best to keep this not PRSI).

The rest of the site seems to have picked up a lot of anti-Apple haters vs what I remembered when I first joined making it a lot less of an enjoyable experience than it once was.



Same though I’m nowhere near as old as both of you. I find the term: “Selective Heavy Moderation” interesting, especially in regards to PRSI. As the admins/mods have stated, they don’t go looking for violations in PRSI and only respond to reports, so if one doesn’t report, “injustice” abounds. The last thing I want to do is make more work for the mods so I usually don’t report unless it’s blatantly obvious (and I don’t report in PRSI).

Macrumors seems to be doing pretty well. I’m sure they’re happy with the money they’re making. Mods do a really good job vs other forums I’ve been to. I’ll be a contributor for awhile longer but I’m definitely toning down my activity and will probably stay out of PRSI as I can’t contribute to the numerious one sided threads in a way that would be appreciated there.


I’ll say it again - I really wish there was a way to keep PRSI out of “Latest Replies” as that’s where I have spent a lot of my time over the last few years. But I’m sure that makes Macrumors a lot of $ via clicks. But it sure makes it harder to enjoy this site for me personally.

I do not agree PRSI is one sided at all. The arguing and back and forth insults are pretty equal.

As far as Apple haters, I feel people posting negative comments are not Apple haters per se, but rather long time Apple users that are frustrated or disappointed with what Apple has been doing lately. With the increasingly buggy software, hardware with issues, outdated hardware, some are getting turned off and voicing their frustration.

My son, who is a long time dedicated Apple lover, who has spent a mint on Apple products, and was responsible for getting my wife and I started on Apple back in the 1990's, is beginning to talk negatively about Apple. For me that says a lot for a dedicated Apple Fanboy to be complaining about some of the stuff Apple is putting out the days (Or not updating). He does not post to Mac Rumors, but is very up to date and as matter of fact still owns a fair amount of their stock. He recently said his next phone is not going to be an Apple. For my family that's the equivalent of Jesus saying he doesn't believe in god.
 
My son, who is a long time dedicated Apple lover, who has spent a mint on Apple products, and was responsible for getting my wife and I started on Apple back in the 1990's, is beginning to talk negatively about Apple. For me that says a lot for a dedicated Apple Fanboy to be complaining about some of the stuff Apple is putting out the days (Or not updating). He does not post to Mac Rumors, but is very up to date and as matter of fact still owns a fair amount of their stock. He recently said his next phone is not going to be an Apple. For my family that's the equivalent of Jesus saying he doesn't believe in god.

I am the same way. I've had only Apple computers at home since 1983. I'm not as evangelical as buying every new machine as soon as it came out, but I do have a box full of old laptops. My desktops have all either been sold or died and recycled. I've had iPods and iPhones. I always watched every keynote and special event. Nowadays, I'm really happy with my Windows work machines. Apple's move towards ridiculous simplicity at the cost of everything else and decision to rarely upgrade products has left a bitter taste in my mouth. My next computer might well not be a mac. My phone might meet the same fate.
 
I do not agree PRSI is one sided at all. The arguing and back and forth insults are pretty equal.

As far as Apple haters, I feel people posting negative comments are not Apple haters per se, but rather long time Apple users that are frustrated or disappointed with what Apple has been doing lately. With the increasingly buggy software, hardware with issues, outdated hardware, some are getting turned off and voicing their frustration.

My son, who is a long time dedicated Apple lover, who has spent a mint on Apple products, and was responsible for getting my wife and I started on Apple back in the 1990's, is beginning to talk negatively about Apple. For me that says a lot for a dedicated Apple Fanboy to be complaining about some of the stuff Apple is putting out the days (Or not updating). He does not post to Mac Rumors, but is very up to date and as matter of fact still owns a fair amount of their stock. He recently said his next phone is not going to be an Apple. For my family that's the equivalent of Jesus saying he doesn't believe in god.
Not true, not true 100% anyway. I've posted about trolls and shills who never even seem to have owned Apple stuff and just cause trouble. Anyway there is a difference between polite criticism and angry trolling.
 
Not true, not true 100% anyway. I've posted about trolls and shills who never even seem to have owned Apple stuff and just cause trouble. Anyway there is a difference between polite criticism and angry trolling.

Imagine if owning Apple products was actually a requirement to visit parts of this forum. No iPhone? No access to that part. No MacBook, you get the idea.
 
I would like to propose an amendment to the trolling rule to add flame baiting and pointless bickering amongst members.

Members will get a warning for having “back alley bar fight disagreements” that don’t stay in the lanes of a thread topic and only purpose is to insult each other.

Also, making a post that doesn’t necessarily troll but just stokes the flames of a topic to get other members riled up and than call foul after the fact.
 
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