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I don't think it's as easy as stationing a mod on every street corner and it's not like they have to catch anybody "real-time" making a bad post. And it won't a difference to the "I've been singled out or treated unfairly or the site is already over-moderated crowd." Nothing is going to please everybody. (And this is not to say things couldn't be better or different). But having a user-driven reporting system, means the community at large are the eyes and ears working in tandem with the mods to smooth over the unruly.
The problem with the community at large reporting system is you get people that report based on not liking your point of view and not because it breaks a rule.
 
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I don't think it's as easy as stationing a mod on every street corner and it's not like they have to catch anybody "real-time" making a bad post. And it won't a difference to the "I've been singled out or treated unfairly or the site is already over-moderated crowd." Nothing is going to please everybody. (And this is not to say things couldn't be better or different). But having a user-driven reporting system, means the community at large are the eyes and ears working in tandem with the mods to smooth over the unruly.

Agreed.

And that also means that the community becomes self-policing to a certain extent, which is a very welcome development.

The problem with the community at large reporting system is you get people that report based on not liking your point of view and not because it breaks a rule.

Not necessarily.

I think that most people who submit reports do so because they have observed what they consider to be a clear violation of the rules.
 
The problem with the community at large reporting system is you get people that report based on not liking your point of view and not because it breaks a rule.
No question, but reporting a post, does not guarantee that the mods will act on it. We reject a fair amount of reports because they simply do not violate the rules. Its better to over-report then under report.
 
No question, but reporting a post, does not guarantee that the mods will act on it. We reject a fair amount of reports because they simply do not violate the rules. Its better to over-report then under report.
So are things moderated differently in PRSI. It seems disagreement reports are the main reason for the amount of activity. One side will be outraged by a post and report it in an attempt to silence an opposing view and it seems to be working.
 
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So are things moderated differently in PRSI. It seems disagreement reports are the main reason for the amount of activity. One side will be outraged by a post and report it in an attempt to silence an opposing view and it seems to be working.
We do not use a different set of rules with the PRSI.
 
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I’m guessing it’s working due to rules violations and not viewpoints.

In general, I agree with you.

If viewpoints cannot be expressed without violations, - and this is what is key - (for example, this is the difference between posting "I think that liberal policies are idiotic" and posting "all liberals are stupid idiots" - the former is a viewpoint, the latter a viewpoint expressed in terms possibly with the intention of giving offence) well, then, it is inevitable that they can expect to receive a suspension or reprimand.
 
In general, I agree with you.

If viewpoints cannot be expressed without violations, - and this is what is key - (for example, this is the difference between posting "I think that liberal policies are idiotic" and posting "all liberals are stupid idiots" - the former is a viewpoint, the latter a viewpoint expressed in terms possibly with the intention of giving offence) well, then, it is inevitable that they can expect to receive a suspension or reprimand.
To your point in the sample wording, the nuances of the sentence construction may be lost on some posters. And therein may be part of the problems where posters think the mods pick sides because the differences in what you highlighted are not thought about before putting words within a post.
 
To your point in the sample wording, the nuances of the sentence construction may be lost on some posters. And therein may be part of the problems where posters think the mods pick sides because the differences in what you highlighted are not thought about before putting words within a post.

The differences are not thought through became some posters think that debate consists of exchanging insults and giving offence rather than offering opinions, or - better still - arguments, or reasons for their position.
 
Hey all... just a quick update...
I've been contacted offline by quite a few members who shared their similar experiences with me. The issue is widespread enough that if I was being targeted, I was far from alone. So I'll give it another go. thank you for patience and kind words.

Good to see you back, not least to offer robust (and welcome) reinforcements in occasional discussions about matters such as the enduring merits of the MBA, and perhaps those of the iPhone SE, also.
 
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Hey all... just a quick update...
I've been contacted offline by quite a few members who shared their similar experiences with me. The issue is widespread enough that if I was being targeted, I was far from alone. So I'll give it another go. thank you for patience and kind words.


I'm glad your back. I missed your posts, and I hope you'll be able to stay.
 
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Not saying the system is perfect, but this is a huge site. The by-laws are clearly subject to interpretation resulting in what is perceived to be inconsistent moderation. Even the automated Facebook system gets things wrong and the staff aren’t robots.

The best thing to do is use the contact form, to ask the staff to take a second look
 
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Not saying the system is perfect, but this is a huge site. The by-laws are clearly subject to interpretation resulting in what is perceived to be inconsistent moderation. Even the automated Facebook system gets things wrong and the staff aren’t robots.

The best thing to do is use the contact form, to ask the staff to take a second look

Agreed.
 
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My own view, is if you enjoy the debate, banter and collaboration that this site has to offer, then let things slide, unless a real wrong has been committed. Then you follow up. Site is big enough there should be an interest area for everyone, an interest area that doesn't involve running afoul of the sites' by-laws.
 
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Not saying the system is perfect, but this is a huge site. The by-laws are clearly subject to interpretation resulting in what is perceived to be inconsistent moderation. Even the automated Facebook system gets things wrong and the staff aren’t robots.

The best thing to do is use the contact form, to ask the staff to take a second look

The contact forms never seem to change anyone's mind.

My own view, is if you enjoy the debate, banter and collaboration that this site has to offer, then let things slide, unless a real wrong has been committed. Then you follow up. Site is big enough there should be an interest area for everyone, an interest area that doesn't involve running afoul of the sites' by-laws.

Well, I do believe a wrong has been committed and follow up hasn't helped at all. And our point is people aren't running afoul of the sites' by-laws, the mods are wrong in many cases.
 
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Forget it, I have to leave this thread. Can't say why but didn't want people to think I was just blowing them off. I'll stick to the DIY computer thread I started cause I still can't get my son's computer to work!!! ;)
 
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The contact forms never seem to change anyone's mind.



Well, I do believe a wrong has been committed and follow up hasn't helped at all. And our point is people aren't running afoul of the sites' by-laws, the mods are wrong in many cases.
I wish I could agree with you more than once.
 
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While I do understand that any forum will always have some members who complain about moderation, it does seem like these complaints have increased recently. And, at least to me, there is much more weight to complaints from members with as long a standing as @willmtaylor. Though I haven't experienced the wrath of the mods myself, I have been completely baffled numerous times as to how something is or is not against the rules. Perhaps the powers that be will take the criticism to heart and find ways to improve.

If you are American, pro-Apple and posting from an American ip, you are generally fine. The UK mods are usually a lot more laid back as well.

If you are not any of the above, all bets are off. And some mods are obviously both way too trigger happy AND have their own hit lists for their own amusement.

This forum is consistently over-moderated compared to others of similar size and topic, and the moderation is both over-oppressive and lacking in transparency compared to others.

Surprised most of the users raising concerns about moderation on this thread have not been banned already - and this is the problem; they won't take criticism, and the better mods won't take criticism of their colleagues even if they agree with it.
 
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Nor does filling one out even garner a response.
There is a contact from you sent in yesterday that is pending a reply from the admins. It has not been overlooked. The admins are also volunteers, so it can sometimes take a few days for one of them to get through these.
 
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