Single-Lens Google Pixel 2 Camera Takes Top Spot From iPhone 8 Plus in DxO Labs Tests

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  1. rafark macrumors 6502

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    Are you kidding me? Look at the carousel picture, the reds are far more vibrant in google pixel in comparison to the washed reds of the iPhone.

    Regarding details, look at the paint labels in the top middle of the first photo. Google pixel's look sharper while the iPhone's look significantly blurred.

    I just wish iPhone camera pictures had more vibrant colors and less noise.
     
  2. ilovemykid3302012 Suspended

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    They are experts...


    Our History
    For well over a decade, the scientists and engineers at DxO have been advancing the way the world takes photographs. Headquartered in Paris and San Francisco, we also have offices in Taiwan, Japan and Korea.
     
  3. DesterWallaboo macrumors 6502

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    But its from Google... which means I'll never buy it.
     
  4. rafark macrumors 6502

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    The blur on the last picture looks slightly better but the overall detail, sharpness and color is FAR superior in the first picture.
     
  5. TrueBlou macrumors demi-god

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    I don’t think I’d describe either of them as vibrant. The Pixel 2 looks more maroon than red to me in the carousel image.

    Not that it matters, any and all images we see in comparison shots like this. Or indeed for a review of a single device have one inherent problem.
    Not a single one of us knows how the subject looked on the day the image was taken.

    Even if they were taken on the same day immediately after one another we still have no actual frame of reference as to how the subject looked in real life, other than possibly someone’s subjective opinion.

    That’s why I always advise that someone try cameras out for themselves before buying them. There’s a lot you can’t tell from an image on the internet.
    Of course that’s less of an issue with phones as we, I would hope at least, tend to buy them for more important reasons than the camera alone.
     
  6. WinterWolf90 macrumors 6502

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    If i didn't have an iPhone I would try this phone. I really think the augmented camera where you point it at something and it gives information is pretty cool.
     
  7. HJM.NL macrumors 6502a

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    We can also conclude that the iPhone isn't that special anymore. Pixel2 does have amoled display as well. Also to consider that Apple developed their own A11 and that’s probably cheaper than buying from Qualcomm. The design is the same for the last 4 years... we can conclude the margins on these phones are way too high. I really hope iPhone 8 and plus won’t sell well. Apple needs a lesson to thread their loyal customers fair.
     
  8. flofixer macrumors newbie

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    The trouble with judging these pictures is that it is too subjective. If you look at that same carousel picture, look closely at the carousel lights on the top left, around the whale. To my eyes the lights are very blurry on the pixel2 vs the iphone. The reds may be more vibrant, but they could be artificially more vibrant and not reflective of the true color unless you are there in person to appreciate the true color.
     
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    I don’t really go by DXO, they are false tests in a controlled environment I find.. not like the real world.
    Will be interesting to see what the X does.

    One thing I do not like are the silly prices all the makers ar now charging, I mean 999 for the X, 979 for the Note 8 and 900 for the 128 GB Pixel 2 XL, all pounds sterling....
     
  10. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    Whoever at DXO brilliantly decided to pay the right people to get their ratings as some sort of recognized standard by paying google or wooing google or whatever is underpaid.
     
  11. Illicit macrumors 6502

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    excellent. the Pixel had an amazing camera, I can't wait to test out the Pixel 2.
    already ordered the panda pixel 2 XL
     
  12. cmwade77 macrumors 6502a

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    The Pixel 2 XL will be the same as the Pixel 2 since Google decided that both phones should get the same feature sets. Also notice the Note 8 still bests even the Pixel 2 by one point, which actually makes the heading of this article completely inaccurate, not only did the iPhone not have the top spot, but the Pixel 2 still didn't take the top spot.

    Granted with as good as these cameras are these days it is really just nitpicking and up to personal preference on the camera, but the point is this is poor writing that didn't bother to do fact checking first.
     
  13. Burger Thing macrumors 6502a

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    This is what I expected. While I like 2 Lenses. More doesn’t mean better in this case.
     
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    Burger Thing macrumors 6502a

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    The background blur in this example doesn't make much sense either from a photographic stand point. The blur is way too uniform with sense of depth completely missing. Looks like something my old Sony Xperia Z3 could have shot years ago.
    --- Post Merged, Oct 5, 2017 ---
    Best reply ever ;)
     
  16. 0lf macrumors regular

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    yes, in definition.
     
  17. macbeta macrumors member

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    Really? Most of the shots I've seen so far look awful (in fact i haven't seen a portrait mode on any phone handle complex things like hair etc well.) I would have thought though if anyone can do it google can, they have some of the best imaging people in the world working for them now.
     
  18. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    Not you or anyone specifically. Everyone as a whole.
     
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    yet it seems to be the defense of Apple by many many for years and years...
     
  20. PickUrPoison, Oct 5, 2017
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    Doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of difference between Samsung, Google and Apple, really. They all can take great pictures.

    Biggest difference between the flagships is the OS, not the camera. Each platform has its fans; until now most prefer iPhone. Maybe that will change this year or some future year and Samsung or Google will sell a couple hundred million phones instead of Apple doing so.
     
  21. 0lf macrumors regular

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    So, have you something to backup that 99% (I am gentle, I give you an order of magnitude from your statement) of the pictures taken by the population of people using cameras with a zoom are taken at max wide angle ?
     
  22. the-msa macrumors 6502

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    bet you dont take car crash tests seriously, because they are executed in a controlled and standardised environment :D
     
  23. SirRahikkala macrumors regular

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    But to my knowledge, they are made by different company. Pixel 2 was made byHTC and the Pixel 2 XL by LG. There could be differences.
     
  24. threesixty360 macrumors regular

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    does anyone really care?
    Are you really going to buy a thousand dollar phone based on whether one has 4 points greater than the other on a DXO chart? Is anyone that crazy?

    The eco system and OS in general are going to have just as much bearing as the camera quality even if you are focussed on image quality. Because ultimately you have to do something with the images and process them or whatever.

    Also, photography is subjective. Some people like Canon's colour science and some people prefer Nikon or Fuji, Others just want RAW etc.. When you get to a certain level its always about the eco-system (Canon lens system vs Nikon or Fuji) than it is about the camera.

    So well done guys, you all make great photos! whats next???
     
  25. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    We’re talking about iPhone. And I don’t have any data. I have logic. In the absence of data, intelligent people use logic, that’s what begins a hypothesis. Logic. Now, I don’t need to show with evidence that it is 99.9%, no, see it’s obvious. It takes next to no thinking to conclude this. The default sensor is the wide sensor, and virtually no one is zooming in when they take pictures and of those who do, only a fraction of their pictures are using that.
     

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