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Can it take into account all the human 'uhming' and 'erring' one makes whilst asking a compound request? Having to plan out a long phrase before asking an AI assistant isn't very natural feeling.
 
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True AI is difficult to implement, but that doesn't mean that it's not possible to program a software agent that's actually helpful, along the lines of Apple's demo Knowledge Navigator in 1987. When Apple incorporated Siri into iOS in 2011, I thought it had a lot of promise. Unfortunately, despite Apple's considerable resources, Siri hasn't lived up to its potential, and I rarely use it these days.
 
Hey guys... We got Apple to buy us once. Now that Apple isn't spending any money on Siri, let's split off and invent another AI, make it a bit smarter, and then sell it back to Apple again and make a crapton more money!

If Apple can't innovate on their own with truckloads of R&D money and armies of people then they should pay or stay away and let it flourish like Dropbox. Hey Viv, do you think Eddy must go?
 
Being able to integrate with services directly is absolutely key. A virtual assistant can never be an assistant if it only knows how to perform certain functions of several system apps. As long as Apple does not offer an API for Siri, it will never be any good.
 
Siri is usually dumber than dirt, so I've quit using it.
Like so many of Apple's services, great idea but doesn't seem to improve with time. Meanwhile everyone else seems to have something better.
 
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The issue is not around the intelligent assistant having access to the data, it's about the company having access to the data. If the AI can access data that's only stored on the device, that's not a problem. Or, if all of your personal data is stored in an encrypted format in the cloud and then unencrypted locally, that's not a problem either. If the rumors of Apple encrypting all iCloud data is true, perhaps we will see Siri being able to collate more of your data.

But let's be real – Siri and Proactive already have access to a ton of your daily information that's stored locally, and yet they both totally fail at taking advantage of it.

Apple already scan and check your cloud data for anything they don't like the look of I believe.
Though that's never really mentioned of course.
 
You spelled Microsoft wrong.

No he didn't. He spelled Apple just fine.

If Apple can't innovate on their own with truckloads of R&D money and armies of people then they should pay or stay away and let it flourish like Dropbox. Hey Viv, do you think Eddy must go?

Agreed. You would think that with the resources available to Apple, they would be able to truly push boundaries. Sure things like force touch, Apple Pay, etc are all great. But they don't really spell innovation in the way things like this do. Personally I hope that the creators working on Viv decide to license vs sell their company to someone like Apple.
 
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So sad, yet so true. :apple:
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These guys will stay away from Apple like the plague. They left Apple soon after the acquisition of Siri. You wonder why Siri has stayed so underwhelming? Because these guys left to work on furthering their ideas in an innovative setting. Sure as hell is not Cupertino. :apple:

Wow, pretty forward thinking from you on this forum. I LIKE it!
 
Just remember people, Apple bought Siri because they couldn't do it themselves. Microsoft built Cortana from the ground up in house. Hence she's a way better AI.

Siri is slow and can't comprehend half of what she's told.
10 years ago, when I worked in Bellevue, WA, a Microsoft engineer friend demonstrated voice recognition software he was working on, on his phone (he helped develop it for cars), and it understood him clearly in a noisy room full of people. The iPhone may be able to do that today, but I get frustrated by it recognizing what I said, and still asking me to clarify; or, not getting contact results that are definitely on the phone; or, its crappy robotic voice... Google's voice (I mostly hear it in Google Maps) has always been more pleasant and natural, and sounds like it got a recent upgrade in quality.
 
My only question is, What has Apple been doing all this time with Siri? It seems that these technologies that Apple buys, stay frozen in time for the most part. If Apple is buying a company ever 3 weeks, which is a little over 17 companies a year, where is all this technology going?
 
AI started off as alofty, self aware, Turin test passing entity. It was quickly changed into a marketing term for apps and games for 2 reasons:
1 it was catchy and boosted sales
2 they could not come up with a better name for a set of complex algorithms, so they called it AI.
AI: six decades of parlour tricks. The human mind and conciousness cannot be replicated with digital systems, it's a fool's errand. All we can hope for are fast and reliable stores of canned algorithms (e.g. Siri, Cortana, etc.) that can mimic simple tasks to save a bit of time here and there.
 
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Seems it is becoming fashionable to hate apple nowadays, well really just in the past few weeks. It is also becoming fashionable to use the word meme as much as possible, a word I have not even really seen at all until about a month ago and now appears every 3rd or 4th article across the web.
 
ENH! Wrong answer. I just asked her that same question and Siri replied "What, again?". That's pretty funny.
I'm unsure what your post means, lol... Was there a right answer I was supposed to aim for? lol ;) Honestly, I didn't really remember what her answer was, as I haven't asked her that question for probably more than a year. So that why I posted what I did, lol


Kal.
 
Seems it is becoming fashionable to hate apple nowadays, well really just in the past few weeks. It is also becoming fashionable to use the word meme as much as possible, a word I have not even really seen at all until about a month ago and now appears every 3rd or 4th article across the web.

There's been Apple hate for at least a decade on forums. And the word Meme has been popular for at least a couple of years too.
 
Has anyone yet mentioned how creepy dude's glare is, on top of their slogan "The Global Brain"?

Not that I'm folding up a tin foil hat or anything, but it seems a better marketing strategy to be a bit less Orwllian.
 
Hey guys... We got Apple to buy us once. Now that Apple isn't spending any money on Siri, let's split off and invent another AI, make it a bit smarter, and then sell it back to Apple again and make a crapton more money!

And even if that was the plan, what's wrong with that? You are talking about the company that wants us to buy everything they make over and over again by making their product a bit smarter/better to make a "crapton more money" themselves.
 
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AI: six decades of parlour tricks. The human mind and conciousness cannot be replicated with digital systems, it's a fool's errand. All we can hope for are fast and reliable stores of canned algorithms (e.g. Siri, Cortana, etc.) that can mimic simple tasks to save a bit of time here and there.

Pretty much this. That's not to say I want us to give up trying. We gotten some pretty nice ancillary benefits from our attempts at creating our overlords.

10 years ago, when I worked in Bellevue, WA, a Microsoft engineer friend demonstrated voice recognition software he was working on, on his phone (he helped develop it for cars), and it understood him clearly in a noisy room full of people. The iPhone may be able to do that today, but I get frustrated by it recognizing what I said, and still asking me to clarify; or, not getting contact results that are definitely on the phone; or, its crappy robotic voice... Google's voice (I mostly hear it in Google Maps) has always been more pleasant and natural, and sounds like it got a recent upgrade in quality.

There may be a reason for that natural sound. Google has gone outside the box to improve it's "AI". I started reading this and thought, "What the hell... why?" Further down the logic became sound and I was like, "Well damn, that's a novel approach.":D
http://9to5google.com/2016/05/05/google-ai-romance-novels/
 
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Currently, there are no compelling incentives in competing phone OS's to cause me to leave the Apple ecosystem. However, if someone eventually offers a competent, efficient, virtual assistant that does more than quote baseball scores or make cute remarks, I’ll switch.
 
The creators of Viv... who else?


They shouldn't have bought Siri if they knew they could not use it. That was a waste of money.
The thing is, for many of us Siri works just fine. I have a friend who whines and complains about Siri on his phone, we’ve gone through the voice training for his but still, he will say something to his phone and it will balk, I can yell it from across the table and his Siri does what I tell it to do.

I love the Apple Watch, I can be in a crowded noisy bar, talk to my wrist and a reminder to do something when I arrive at home is accurately saved. I can reliable make new events, use it as a voice calculator, dictate messages.

Viv will be a quantum leap ahead, and yes Apple products should have some level of voice interaction without having an internet connection, but as interesting as Viv sounds I’m not sure what I would use it for beyond what I can already do.
 
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